Is there really more to life?

[loggingin]

Take away taste pleasure and sexual pleasures, just two simple things. and what will there be left?
pursuit of knowledge? for what purpose?
knowledge to live longer? okay you can live longer. but for what?
knowledge to make games? you're just doing the same things over and over again mostly. weapons breaking objects/enemies intellectually/reflexively maneuvering puzzles/ obstacles
love? i dont believe in true love in the grand scheme of existence. love is superficial , and materialistic ,
existence within itself is superficial , materialistic and unethical. i talk about it in a full post about my philosophical pessimism.

 

[violetforever]

Take away taste pleasure and sexual pleasures, just two simple things. and what will there be left?

ummm my newfound will to live would be left. the act of eating being less enjoyable is preferable to my anorexic mind and i wish the world was asexual.

i don't get ur post. are u saying that all u care about is being able to taste (food?) and sex? why would knowledge and living become entirely obsolete without those two things? sexual pleasure isn't even of great importance in the love i believe in.

 

[sanctionedusage]

ummm my newfound will to live would be left. the act of eating being less enjoyable is preferable to my anorexic mind and i wish the world was asexual.

i don't get ur post. are u saying that all u care about is being able to taste (food?) and sex? why would knowledge and living become entirely obsolete without those two things? sexual pleasure isn't even of great importance in the love i believe in.

its pretty much agreed across the board that the anorexic brain's changes in the insula and frontal cortex that alter the dopamine-reward response to food are a defect. food is supposed to make you happy. socially, even more so. normal people find enjoyment in food, which is very helpful considering it constitutes a few hours of people's daily lives. lacking this simple built-in enjoyment, along with all the other effects of anorexia— no wonder anorexic suicide rates are sky high. so yeah, most people are primarily kept happy with food and sex, the 2 most indulgent and accessible things in the modern world. you're not really enlightened for not enjoying them, more likely just sick and miserable.

i can't speak for sex though, im too messed up for that one & dont care to research it.

and not to be a cunt, but knowledge is genuinely torturous after you learn the basics by age 10. the more you learn about current events, human behavior, history, etc., typically the more you wish you were illiterate. if you're not getting that effect, you're probably not reading into much besides fantasy and irrelevant philosophy.

 

[badatparties]

what about taking a nice big dump while you scroll Reddit? Could that be the meaning of life?

 

[Forever Sleep]

I imagine people who chase knowledge are genuinely interested in the subject so- I'm guessing it does give them pleasure. I suppose the most knowledgable amoung us are brainy enough to work out new theories or formulas or- discover something undisturbed. I imagine that's genuinely exciting for them. It's kind of creative in a way I would think- to realise something that never existed (in the human consciousness anyway.)

Speaking personally- creativity used to give me that same buzz. To work out how to do something and do it to a level I was reasonably pleased with and more importantly- the client was too.

But, it's a kind of- each to their own really. We don't all enjoy the same things. Plus, if you lose your spark to enjoy something- as I pretty much have, it's like there's then a huge gap in your life.

Sadly as well- the things that bring us joy- like food, can also make us fat. I hate being fat.

 

[violetforever]

its pretty much agreed across the board that the anorexic brain's changes in the insula and frontal cortex that alter the dopamine-reward response to food are a defect. food is supposed to make you happy. socially, even more so. normal people find enjoyment in food, which is very helpful considering it constitutes a few hours of people's daily lives. lacking this simple built-in enjoyment, along with all the other effects of anorexia— no wonder anorexic suicide rates are sky high. so yeah, most people are primarily kept happy with food and sex, the 2 most indulgent and accessible things in the modern world. you're not really enlightened for not enjoying them, more likely just sick and miserable.

i can't speak for sex though, im too messed up for that one & dont care to research it.

and not to be a cunt, but knowledge is genuinely torturous after you learn the basics by age 10. the more you learn about current events, human behavior, history, etc., typically the more you wish you were illiterate. if you're not getting that effect, you're probably not reading into much besides fantasy and irrelevant philosophy.

i was being a little facetious and pessimistic since i'm aware of my unresolved illness and trauma. yes it has ruined any chance of me having a normal outlook on life. yes everything i know mostly makes me trust in ignorance being bliss. i was imagining a will to live in a reality that will never be lol.

 

[FuneralCry]

No matter what I could never see any point and never see any benefit to any of this, existing is just dreadful, futile and unnecessary suffering with no limit as to how much one can be tortured, to me the existence of life is the most terrible, devastating tragedy that just causes harm and suffering all for the sake of it.

The fact that humans continue to punish others by burdening them with the torturous abomination of existence is just so horrific to me, to exist means to suffer and every second is torture to exist, all that existence ever does is just cause pain and suffering, the suffering of existing is endless, for me non-existence is just all that's positive and is all that can bring me the peace I search for from the evil of existence, all that existence does is harm existing beings, I'll always see it as a terrible mistake to suffer in this existence.

 

[loggingin]

ummm my newfound will to live would be left. the act of eating being less enjoyable is preferable to my anorexic mind and i wish the world was asexual.

i don't get ur post. are u saying that all u care about is being able to taste (food?) and sex? why would knowledge and living become entirely obsolete without those two things? sexual pleasure isn't even of great importance in the love i believe in.

"i don't get ur post. are u saying that all u care about is being able to taste (food?) and sex?" - for me , this is difficult to explain. food and sex are not all I really care about, however I would be lying If I said they didn't play a significant role in my sense of happiness and wellbeing. As much as I want to claim I am above sex and taste pleasures, im not because im not asexual. im not strongly sexual either, neither are my desires for sex feint. If you were to remove my testicles per se, it would drastically change who I am as the testosterone produced from it has a significant impact on my neurochemistry/biology or just who i am.

"why would knowledge and living become entirely obsolete without those two things?" -please do explain your perspective. for me life is pointless and meaningless regardless of whether or not food and sex exist . for starters I don't derive much excitement/pleasure from contemplating/experiencing food or sex either, though its still there

"sexual pleasure isn't even of great importance in the love i believe in." - please do explain to me what "love" you believe in...

I believe that love is only material, and material has no intrinsic value, when you talk to family, friends , romantic partners . You talk to them about material/material interactions/material circumstances. Talking about hobbies? they are material interactions, like kicking balls in soccer. climbing rocks, no intrinsic value/ existential or transcendent value in those material interactions. "How's your day at school" , referring to gaining abstract knowledge about material, gaining skills with knowledge about the material world, and the status and wealth that comes from it in which status and wealth relate to and are material. The arts, narratives and words describes material, illustrations depict material.

existential philosophy does interest me, and it does bleed into math and all of science, however the interests is purely for my acknowledgement that existence should cease to exist, so there is no positive value within these interests in my view.

If you were to take away the 5 senses, sight,sound,taste,smell,feel and be sentenced to "love" your family,friends and romantic partner by being a conscious void entity floating in space (again without the senses) for billions of years, would the mere conscious acknowledgement of knowing that your "loved" ones are around be able to sustain you?

I use the example of conscious entities floating in space merely acknowledging each other being around as an example because talking about material and interacting with it is almost equally as vapid and meaningless. imagine if someone was talking to you about sticks and stones and drawing tic tac toe boards with the sticks, drawing the box of 2 lines horizontally 2 lines vertically into the sand, then using the sticks to represent X's and stones to represent O's. and you don't care about it, nor the next things they have to talk about...... forever.......... in the sense there is no fulfilling substance to them, and the interest is nonexistent or feint at most.

to top it all off. meaningless material interests do not justify an indifferent existence that harms others, (please refer to my pessimist essay that i wrote https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ssimist-ill-post-my-view-of-the-world.229265/ )

i was being a little facetious and pessimistic since i'm aware of my unresolved illness and trauma. yes it has ruined any chance of me having a normal outlook on life. yes everything i know mostly makes me trust in ignorance being bliss. i was imagining a will to live in a reality that will never be lol.

im still very interested on your view on love, and how it might differ from mine

 

[violetforever]

for me , this is difficult to explain. food and sex are not all I really care about, however I would be lying If I said they didn't play a significant role in my sense of happiness and wellbeing. As much as I want to claim I am above sex and taste pleasures, im not because im not asexual. im not strongly sexual either, neither are my desires for sex feint

please do explain your perspective. for me life is pointless and meaningless regardless of whether or not food and sex exist . for starters I don't derive much excitement/pleasure from contemplating/experiencing food or sex either, though its still there

of course. i asked that because u only listed those two things and declared that life would be seemingly pointless. i just wanted to know if i understood the emphasis correctly. i mean, the only reason why i feel more devoid and averted to these pleasures is because of my issues involving them that i listed. disordered mind and sexual trauma. probably religious trauma too. i don't think anyone should feel the need to be completely above those things. they're humanly but they just remind me of shame and fear.

I believe that love is only material, and material has no intrinsic value, when you talk to family, friends , romantic partners . You talk to them about material/material interactions/material circumstances. Talking about hobbies? they are material interactions, like kicking balls in soccer. climbing rocks, no intrinsic value/ existential or transcendent value in those material interactions. "How's your day at school" , referring to gaining abstract knowledge about material, gaining skills with knowledge about the material world, and the status and wealth that comes from it in which status and wealth relate to and are material. The arts, narratives and words describes material, illustrations depict material.

did u never feel love or at least like before u got into philosophy? what do u think of people who say they like or love u? i don't disagree about the world being made up of material at all. nothing of the world i know will be of or around me in death. it's not material to talk about death?

If you were to take away the 5 senses, sight,sound,taste,smell,feel and be sentenced to "love" your family,friends and romantic partner by being a conscious void entity floating in space (again without the senses) for billions of years, would the mere conscious acknowledgement of knowing that your "loved" ones are around be able to sustain you?

so basically we would all just be our own energy? we would be rid of all the senses that detect and upkeep materialism. i'm sure death is nothingness but it would be so nice if it was what u just described. i think love can still exist there. it's energetic too. if we were never aware of superficial things then at the very least negativity could never be. what do u think of people who don't have one or more of their senses but still love people? like someone who is blind or deaf?

im still very interested on your view on love, and how it might differ from mine

well u made me think a lot. how come i absolutely love some people and couldn't care less for others even though i share the same material world with them? there's people who are more attractive or skilled than the people i love but i still wouldn't love them at all because they don't give me the same feeling i get from those that i do.

 

[Schrodinger]

So is there more to life?

Not in the way people mean it.
No hidden essence. No transcendent surplus waiting if you just think differently.

What is there, is this:
the unbearable clarity that nothing here is sufficient — and the ongoing, stubborn fact that you're still perceiving it. Still thinking. Still asking. Still refusing cheap comfort.

That doesn't make life meaningful.
But it makes you honest.

And honesty, in a system built on anesthetic narratives, is heavier than hope — and rarer.

I won't pretend that answers the problem.
It doesn't.

 

[loggingin]

of course. i asked that because u only listed those two things and declared that life would be seemingly pointless. i just wanted to know if i understood the emphasis correctly. i mean, the only reason why i feel more devoid and averted to these pleasures is because of my issues involving them that i listed. disordered mind and sexual trauma. probably religious trauma too. i don't think anyone should feel the need to be completely above those things. they're humanly but they just remind me of shame and fear.

did u never feel love or at least like before u got into philosophy? what do u think of people who say they like or love u? i don't disagree about the world being made up of material at all. nothing of the world i know will be of or around me in death. it's not material to talk about death?

so basically we would all just be our own energy? we would be rid of all the senses that detect and upkeep materialism. i'm sure death is nothingness but it would be so nice if it was what u just described. i think love can still exist there. it's energetic too. if we were never aware of superficial things then at the very least negativity could never be. what do u think of people who don't have one or more of their senses but still love people? like someone who is blind or deaf?

well u made me think a lot. how come i absolutely love some people and couldn't care less for others even though i share the same material world with them? there's people who are more attractive or skilled than the people i love but i still wouldn't love them at all because they don't give me the same feeling i get from those that i do.

"did u never feel love or at least like before u got into philosophy? what do u think of people who say they like or love u? i don't disagree about the world being made up of material at all. nothing of the world i know will be of or around me in death. it's not material to talk about death?"

I don't see what the point of "love" is. As I said love relates to material. and I acknowledge love has no intrinsic value. And yes I have felt love before. And yes I don't see the point in it. And talking about death is material in the sense you are sending sound waves through your mouth that represent abstract ideas to fire neuropathways in someone's brain. If someone says they like me or love me , its because they derive pleasure from my material qualities. its all superficial/materialistic.

"so basically we would all just be our own energy? we would be rid of all the senses that detect and upkeep materialism. i'm sure death is nothingness but it would be so nice if it was what u just described. i think love can still exist there. it's energetic too. if we were never aware of superficial things then at the very least negativity could never be. what do u think of people who don't have one or more of their senses but still love people? like someone who is blind or deaf?"
-needs don't need to exist, I don't want to want love.

well u made me think a lot. how come i absolutely love some people and couldn't care less for others even though i share the same material world with them? there's people who are more attractive or skilled than the people i love but i still wouldn't love them at all because they don't give me the same feeling i get from those that i do. - because its a complex process, first you need to have access to them, then they need to have a good interpersonal relationship with you by managing your differences and its different for different people. (different beauty standards , moral value , skill values, political values, philosophical values, etc)
managing differences like the subjective meaning for the word "friend" and does the other person live up to it or offend it? skill values as in you can have a coworker at the restaurant who does most of the intellectually demanding work who wants a higher salary or feels they arent compensated enough.

also please read my philosophical pessimist essay. I explain why existence is meaningless, materialistic and unethical.

Is anyone else here a philosophical pessimist? Ill post my view of the world.

For about 550 million years of active sentient evolution, animals have been tearing each other apart (eaten alive through predation, resource competition, hierarchy dynamics , territorial establishment, etc.). A rabbits reproductive strategy is to reproduce as much as possible to be able to have...

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[pthnrdnojvsc]

The extremely horrible things that can happen to any human far outweigh the pleasurable addictions

For example who would trade eating a meal of food for any of these but remaining alive: brain strokes and damage , kidnapping torture ( example junko furuta), fire burning off most of skin remaining alive , old immobile in a nursing home , colon cancer blocking colon ( angelique flowers), alsheimers , kidney stones , accident brain damage, tape worm parasite,

Many more examples

Most animals died by being eaten slowly alive by other animals

I worked in a nursing home. Many humans will end up old with others having to aid them with bathroom and eating, in constant pain, immobile . Medical monsters can keep u alive with antibiotics, machines, drugs for decades in worse pain than being eaten alive. And no amount of begging will they give u a shot of morphine or of Nembutal to end your pain

I don't care about food or love or anything. Plus i every human is just a bag of cells, a programmed machine .What possible meaning? None only to avoid unbearable pain cause im a brain that can suffer unending constant unbearable pain

 

[LetMeOut67]

The more I live the more I believe it's a monumental tragedy humanity ever existed

 

[violetforever]

If someone says they like me or love me , its because they derive pleasure from my material qualities. its all superficial/materialistic

i do see ur point. even in an unrequited love sufficient pleasure exists even though the situation is perceived as unpleasant.

because its a complex process, first you need to have access to them, then they need to have a good interpersonal relationship with you by managing your differences and its different for different people. (different beauty standards , moral value , skill values, political values, philosophical values, etc)
managing differences like the subjective meaning for the word "friend" and does the other person live up to it or offend it? skill values as in you can have a coworker at the restaurant who does most of the intellectually demanding work who wants a higher salary or feels they arent compensated enough.

also please read my philosophical pessimist essay. I explain why existence is meaningless, materialistic and unethical.

yes all of that goes into loving or is ignored to make room for love if it's conflicting. i did read ur essay. i agree with what u said about reincarnation. another lifetime of living up to human standards or being reincarnated as something humans treat and view as beneath them destroys the appeal of death being like a consolation prize. i don't believe in the idea of objective fulfillment existing either. i had someone ask me what the meaning and purpose of life is and i wasn't able to give them an answer because there really is none. there's no person or lifestyle you can completely idolize and find no flaw in.

 

[WhatCouldHaveBeen32]

Don't care about sexual pleasure and I am vegan and I eat pretty meh food compared to before I was vegan, it's still okay but I don't care, even before, I didn't care about the taste, if I could never eat again, I would choose not to. I'm happier than ever, still don't want to live, but I'm at peace more than I was before.

Maybe if I learn how to do this 50 times in a row I won't want to kill myself anymore but sometimes the juice just isn't worth the squeeze :)

 

[Off_Switch]

The end game is death regardless. Will there be enough pleasure to make the pain of living worth it? For most of us, the answer is likely no. Not even close. So leaving early makes sense for the majority here.