Is there life after death. Fifty years of research at UVA

[montana007]

There is another thread on this but it's in a closed and locked forum. By rights this should be/could be tagged onto that thread as I believe these are the same dudes referenced in that thread. So feel free to move this to that thread. Obviously I cannot do that myself neither can I add this to that thread myself. If it's deemed applicable then great. If not feel free to delete.

 

[user_name_here]

there was a recent film about how the world would react if we confirmed there was life after death. pretty decent movie, i'll try and post the trailer here

 

[Rational man]

If there s no life after death, no-one comes back to complain.

 

[Ta555]

If there s no life after death, no-one comes back to complain.

This. NDEs are nothing. It's not death experiences it's NEAR death experiences so they don't mean anything. Just hallucinating panicked brains.

 

[Rational man]

This. NDEs are nothing. It's not death experiences it's NEAR death experiences so they don't mean anything. Just hallucinating panicked brains

we all.die in the.end. Its a logical conclusion to life like all things are impermanent. Even our planet and the galaxy will implode.

 

[user_name_here]

Different people have beliefs.
Different religions have different beliefs.
Not a single scientist can prove nor disprove anything.
Nobody knows, even the scientists in this thread don't know.
Nobody knows.

 

[Ta555]

Different people have beliefs.
Different religions have different beliefs.
Not a single scientist can prove nor disprove anything.
Nobody knows, even the scientists in this thread don't know.
Nobody knows.

Scientists can't prove anything for certain but they certainly have much better evidence to say that nothing happens after death than religion which has zero evidence.

 

[Wrennie]

Having been under General Anesthesia an estimated 10 times (counting 7 ECT treatments and 3 surgeries), I'm pretty confident in that there's nothing.

 

[user_name_here]

Scientists can't prove anything for certain but they certainly have much better evidence to say that nothing happens after death than religion which has zero evidence.

Scientists also claimed there was no water on mars based on evidence.
Then they said there might be water, based on evidence.
Then they said there is but its frozen ice caps, based on evidence.
Then they found a canyon longer the East to West Coast of the US, with surface water, based on evidence.

Scientists once thought our solar systems planets where the only planets in the universe, based on evidence.
Then they said there are infact other planets and other stars, much like ours, based on evidence.
Then they said there are 100's of Billions of Stars with planets orbiting them, meaning there are trillions of planets in our galaxy alone, based on evidence.
Now they believe there's microbial life in our own solar system, based on evidence (venus atmosphere)

The point here is, Science becomes more accurate over time as we advance technologically. And something as complex as the afterlife simply cannot be proven/disproven.

RE: Religion.
"Sure, primitive book written ages ago blah blah..." - Somebody dismissive.
But how do we know the angels and gods depicted and mentioned in ancient writings and artwork weren't actually visitors from another system or galaxy? for all we know Religion/Afterlife/Aliens could all be connected.

 

[Ashu]

religion which has zero evidence.

The person who could make such an enormous claim with any pretence to authority is not present in this group, because he does not exist.

 

[#imdone]

Here's my story, I needed minor nasal surgery all went well and I awoke in the recovery room with a nurse looking after me, she was injecting various things into the doohicky in my hand, as she started injecting a large amount of clear liquid the alarms & beepers went nuts, all I could think of was a line from the Simpsons, " is that a good alarm?"
She was screaming for the crash team then everything went black, nothing, no light, NOTHING
I came around with lots of wires stuck to me & wearing a nappy, I'd been dead for several minutes and apparently the medics thought I'd gone…
No idea what she injected me with it's not on my records, I guess it was like flicking a switch off

 

[Ta555]

Here's my story, I needed minor nasal surgery all went well and I awoke in the recovery room with a nurse looking after me, she was injecting various things into the doohicky in my hand, as she started injecting a large amount of clear liquid the alarms & beepers went nuts, all I could think of was a line from the Simpsons, " is that a good alarm?"
She was screaming for the crash team then everything went black, nothing, no light, NOTHING
I came around with lots of wires stuck to me & wearing a nappy, I'd been dead for several minutes and apparently the medics thought I'd gone…
No idea what she injected me with it's not on my records, I guess it was like flicking a switch off

You were clinically dead sounds like which is where there is no heart beat. Not the same as brain death from which no one has come back.

 

[gottago222]

ya this is a load of shit

 

[Resinn66]

There is another thread on this but it's in a closed and locked forum. By rights this should be/could be tagged onto that thread as I believe these are the same dudes referenced in that thread. So feel free to move this to that thread. Obviously I cannot do that myself neither can I add this to that thread myself. If it's deemed applicable then great. If not feel free to delete.

I hope not, would be a tragedy

 

[Wrennie]

Imagine dying but having your consciousness confined to your corpse for all eternity.
I wouldn't put that possibility past a reality this cruel, but I still personally believe that there's nothing after death.

 

[montana007]

For the record: I didn't post this video or start this thread because I agree with the good scholars there. Was just trying to be a good citizen and post something useful (as opposed to bitching and complaining about my own plight and where I'm at) and that complimented another thread. The books written as per the other thread are, I think, based on these same "studies"

NDEs I personally think are a bit of a slippery slope. I've read up and watched so many videos and lectures on the topic in the two plus years it's just not funny. And while it's almost true that these experiences seemingly don't differ all around the world something struck a chord with me right here this week. I've read quite a few posts where members have described their experiences with whatever methods lead to starving the brain of oxygen. If you read those posts: it should be obvious that what they perceive happening just before the moment of passing out in terms of light and perception and this tunnel that everyone bangs on about re: NDEs seems like a pretty good description of the "tunnel vision" that some have experienced just before passing out. And as for "seeing" people that the person was close to in life: to me the obvious answer is during the shutdown process the brain (I think) will recall memories and present these people in no different a way from a very lucid dream (which we've all had at some point in time i.e. those dreams where you've woken up and have had to remind yourself that it was just s dream and that you're now awake). I don't know (yet) what to make of these individuals that claim to have been able to float round the OR, and describe in detail, stuff that happened. If I were to hazard a guess I'd have to say that maybe, just maybe, the doctors or surgeons were talking and this registered with the patient even if subliminally and the brain painted pictures. Dunno. Not answers I'm going to have anytime soon I don't think.

But I'm no expert on this and the above shit. I'm that guy that needs a logical explanation for everything. And faith and belief and conditioning doesn't fall under the category of "logic" for me.

But I have to say that these children that can recall, in fine and verifiable detail, events and places that there is absolutely no way that they could have firsthand knowledge of (unless coached or unless the parents are talking shit and/or embellishing upon: YT is full of videos of first hand accounts (parents) of this stuff. I mean: how is this possible? Frankly: I'm up for it if there's any truth to it. Imagine being able to come back and avoid the fuckups that you made in this life and that will inevitably have brought more than a few to this point? Or better yet: be able to choose to insert yourself into the past? Put another way: save for the crippling depression I'm only at this point because no matter what I do or where I turn there's just no way I can go back in time to what has been a pretty good and very full and fast life. Moving on and hoping that future changes are going to be acceptable isn't an option and is a bit of gamble to me.

Here's a link to the other thread to which I've been referring:

https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/before-and-after-life.80803/

And for some or the other obscure reason it appears as though I can add to and post on that thread so maybe I should add the video to the end of the thread (not quite sure how come I'm all of a sudden able to post on the other thread i.e. it certainly wan't the case a few days ago).

 

[ChrisLeeHZ]

If I becomes nothing after I die,just like that I was nothing before I was born,then how can I make sure that I will not be born again?

 

[montana007]

If I becomes nothing after I die,just like that I was nothing before I was born,then how can I make sure that I will not be born again?

I'd answer your question if I had the answer.

There are indeed certain belief systems that would have you believe that being born was a choice as was your place and timing of birth up to and including your parents. So if there's any truth to this: maybe you just get so say "not a fuck am I going back there and through all of that shit again but thanks for the offer".

If I becomes nothing after I die,just like that I was nothing before I was born,then how can I make sure that I will not be born again?

You are not obliged to answer any of the below,

But curiously and philosophically: and assuming you had a choice in the matter why, if given the chance, would you choose to not be born again? Something has obviously brought you to a point where you want none of this. But what if you could come back with all of the knowledge and experience you've gleaned in this life, so as to avoid repeating the same mistakes or knowing which situations andtypes of people to avoid, but hen why not? Sounds like a win win deal to me.

 

[Ligottian]

Doctors have simulated NDEs with drugs. Dr. Ronald Siegal of UCLA Medical School comes to mind.

 

[Eternal Oblivion]

I'd answer your question if I had the answer.

There are indeed certain belief systems that would have you believe that being born was a choice as was your place and timing of birth up to and including your parents. So if there's any truth to this: maybe you just get so say "not a fuck am I going back there and through all of that shit again but thanks for the offer".

You are not obliged to answer any of the below,

But curiously and philosophically: and assuming you had a choice in the matter why, if given the chance, would you choose to not be born again? Something has obviously brought you to a point where you want none of this. But what if you could come back with all of the knowledge and experience you've gleaned in this life, so as to avoid repeating the same mistakes or knowing which situations andtypes of people to avoid, but hen why not? Sounds like a win win deal to me.

If reincarnation was real, I'd think I'd have learned my lesson by now, considering humans have been around for a while, yet I've fallen into some pretty avoidable mistakes, which makes me believe we start from stretch.

 

[guy 1]

if you were born a catholic or muslim, you will never escape the reality of life after death. heaven and hell are the next vocabulary you learnt after mama and papa. and praying was the next activity you learned after walking

 

[montana007]

there was a recent film about how the world would react if we confirmed there was life after death. pretty decent movie, i'll try and post the trailer here

Thanks for posting this. I've not watched it yet but hopefully over the weekend. I did find a site that details the plot though. Interesting concept. I had to smirk when I was reading it though. It's always perplexed me how people of faith bang on about how wonderful the next life is assuming that you've "behaved" yourself this time around. Like they're waiting to move on to supposed greener pastures with their maker as the story goes. Well if it's so great then what the fuck are you loitering around here for on this earth is what I mean and trying to lecture me?

If reincarnation was real, I'd think I'd have learned my lesson by now, considering humans have been around for a while, yet I've fallen into some pretty avoidable mistakes, which makes me believe we start from stretch.

Good point(s). I'm guessing that should reincarnation actually be a thing then NOT coming back with a clean slate and starting from scratch wouldn't be an option as that would be too easy. And who wants things to be easy and great for us mere mortals?

Yeah. I'm fuck bitter and angry at the way things have turned out.

But how do we know the angels and gods depicted and mentioned in ancient writings and artwork weren't actually visitors from another system or galaxy? for all we know Religion/Afterlife/Aliens could all be connected.

Yeah I gotta admit I've wondered about those paintings myself. I mean to say where would the ancients get the idea of painting disk like objects? It's not something that's easy to imagine because we've seen depictions of the same. Dunno. Maybe they just had vivid imaginations. Although there's another theory. Maybe they were off their heads on ancient psychedelic plants!

if you were born a catholic or muslim, you will never escape the reality of life after death. heaven and hell are the next vocabulary you learnt after mama and papa. and praying was the next activity you learned after walking

Nice post. Sometimes I think that the way that religion has been interpreted over the years and taught and indoctrinated with has been wrong.


If I recall correctly either Sam Harris or Christopher Hitchens noted in lectures or debates that Mark Twain said that when you die you're going to float around on clouds playing the harp for eternity. He noted that you wouldn't do it for five minutes in this life.

 

[fox_wannabe]

There is another thread on this but it's in a closed and locked forum. By rights this should be/could be tagged onto that thread as I believe these are the same dudes referenced in that thread. So feel free to move this to that thread. Obviously I cannot do that myself neither can I add this to that thread myself. If it's deemed applicable then great. If not feel free to delete.

Video looks legit. I heard some of stories like that. We might be subjected to reincarnation. For me It is hard not to believe in NDEs being real, while believing in reincarnation.

 

[Lost Magic]

 

[montana007]

As I've noted somewhere else around these parts: things have to be logical for me.

These two videos are not meant to offend anyone but they have brought me some solace over the past two years or so. Maybe they do the same for others.

For some obscure reason on these forums if you reply to somebody immediately after you've just posted then the posts get combined. So my apologies if my responses seem a bit jumbled up. They're supposed to be individual responses to members (and it's doing fuck all for my post count).

I cannot remember where I heard about this or read about it. Could be an old wives tale or some bullshit folklore Not something I would make up though. And maybe I can find a link to both of the below points.

The theory goes that back in the old days and during the days of public executions some dude was allowed to conduct a type of research after beheading and noted that he was able to communicate with a severed head and it responded with eye movements when called by name or addressed.

Then another "study" documented somewhere where they attempted to ascertain if there were any changed to the body once the soul has left the body.. An attempt was made to weigh corpses immediately after death and then a bit later and apparently the soul has mass? Well that''s what they were trying to prove anyway.

I'm not off of my head or my rocker I assure you and i"m not making this shit up. I'll try find the sources.