Is there hope for depression, yes or no?

[LMFAO FOCKERS]

Virtually impossible yet not entirely impossible.

The reason for dissasociation is an escape from pain, it's the same as addiction. Addiction really is just a form of dissasociation, a coping mechanism to avoid the pain of traumas.

Depression I think of as not that far along the spectrum. It's not as far as bipolar, and less than schizophrenia.

Many people who struggle with depression are often quite intelligent. There are many on here who are intelligent. And yes that intelligence is often a dissociation, such that cognitively there is functionality yet at the emotional level is where the dysfunction lies. Confronting the pain of the traumas and all the layers of shame and resentment and self hatred and self judgment that have developed as a result is terrifying.

It's not easy and yes difficult enough to be virtually impossible.

Yet that wasn't the question.

Can depression be beaten.

Yes.

Yet it requires a choice and willingness that is completely counter-directional to what the depression is doing.

So will many who have significant recurring major depression get through it? Unlikely. Very few. Changing ourselves is ridiculously hard, especially when we are on such shaky ground to start with.

The reason for the dissociation does not matter. Most dont willingly dissociate. Dissociation is caused by a survival mechanism in the brain. There is no floorpan or manual for what the brain is doing to accomplish this. As such there is no reversal mechanism.

There are people with split personalities who have have not chosen to dissociate. Nor is there a "cure" for them. I have not heard of anyone with DID being "cured".

Everything else if theory or opinion if there is no tangible evidence and a mandated repeatable course of action to support the existence of a "cure". And a cure should not have to depend on willingness. There are many who are willing and have sought treatment and personal improvement methods for decades to no avail. Including myself.

I dont count people with situational depression as people that are cured. Those are the idiots that tell society that depression is curable to appease the human inner spirit who want to believe that there are rainbows and unicorns everywhere. And those are the same idiots that assist society in ostracizing those with chronic depression because they become the poster children for "hope."

 

[GreyMonkey]

The reason for the dissociation does not matter. Most dont willingly dissociate. Dissociation is caused by a survival mechanism in the brain. There is no floorpan or manual for what the brain is doing to accomplish this. As such there is no reversal mechanism.

There are people with split personalities who have have not chosen to dissociate. Nor is there a "cure" for them. I have not heard of anyone with DID being "cured".

Everything else if theory or opinion if there is no tangible evidence and a mandated repeatable course of action to support the existence of a "cure". And a cure should not have to depend on willingness. There are many who are willing and have sought treatment and personal improvement methods for decades to no avail. Including myself.

I dont count people with situational depression as people that are cured. Those are the idiots that tell society that depression is curable to appease the human inner spirit who want to believe that there are rainbows and unicorns everywhere. And those are the same idiots that assist society in ostracizing those with chronic depression because they become the poster children for "hope."

I hear you and I don't disagree.

I believe that dissasociation occurs as a response to an overwhelmed system by toxic stress/trauma as I said above. It's a coping mechanism.

I still think that the mechanisms I mentioned make it possible to move out of these states.

However the more severe the trauma and resultant dissociation the harder it is of course to do so.

And we do not live in a society that doesn't know what to do with this. We just medicate, isolate and ostracise. Or we fucking sit in a room with one person and endlessly talk.

These are not appropriate solutions. Much more is needed.

I believe it is possible. But yes virtually impossible by the means largely available to most of us in a society that does not support and rather only encourages fierce independence.

If we are depressed it's highly likely we have attachment/relational disturbances. We would need to be in a receptive and belonging space and given the opportunity to find meaning and purpose. Gently. With a lot of patience.

As a society we just aren't there yet.

 

[dandan]

When you say testosterone are you doing testosterone replacement therapy? Or are you increasing you testosterone via natural means?

Testosterone and Dianabol , by injection.

I have N in the fridge but I was suggested here to try steroids, specially Dianabol, so I started going to the gym and bought Dianabol, after a week I felt good, and went to an endocrinologist (a doctor who specializes in hormones) he told me stop for a while and get my testosterone levels checked. He then suggested I add testosterone, 1ml a week 250mg, plus the dianabol I was using, it's been 10 weeks without a any depressive issues , except yesterday when I found out my co worker did outperformed me at the job , like a 1200% , but he has more experience and no problems , I felt lousy but not depressed... I wanted to lie down on bed like I used to do before , but I went to the gym instead, 1 not so good day in the last ten weeks.
What happened to me, makes me think, how many people here would find "a solution" (even if temporally, I've only got 11 weeks) by using Dianabol and testo, of course a doctor is always recommended.

 

[Sweet emotion]

There is absolutely hope for depression if the underlying circumstances are treatable. For example, I am extremely depressed because I have something called Complex Regional Pain Syndrome which is the highest ranking pain condition in medical history. There are no treatments and no cure. So no matter how much I talk to a psychiatrist or therapist, I'm still going to be stuck in my house like I have been for the last 14 years ever since I was 20 in excruciating pain and isolation, never knowing what love is or what life is like.

When I was 15 I had a very bad bought with OCD and got very depressed and wanted to die. But with the correct medication and the correct therapist, I conquered my problem and was able to be happy again. It gave me 5 extra years of happiness until I got sick. So yes, if you are on the right combination of meds and have an excellent therapist, you can overcome depression. Or it can improve greatly. Think about why you are depressed. Sometimes people are depressed for no reason at all. It can be a chemical I'm balance in the brain and very easy to fix.

 

[scorpiooo2]

In my opinion, the type of depression I've lived with doesn't go away.

Things may happen that make me happy for a while but immediately when things slightly go downhill I get depressed again.

 

[Jean Améry]

That is not a question that can be answered in a general sense.

 

[k75]

There is absolutely hope for depression if the underlying circumstances are treatable. For example, I am extremely depressed because I have something called Complex Regional Pain Syndrome which is the highest ranking pain condition in medical history. There are no treatments and no cure. So no matter how much I talk to a psychiatrist or therapist, I'm still going to be stuck in my house like I have been for the last 14 years ever since I was 20 in excruciating pain and isolation, never knowing what love is or what life is like.

When I was 15 I had a very bad bought with OCD and got very depressed and wanted to die. But with the correct medication and the correct therapist, I conquered my problem and was able to be happy again. It gave me 5 extra years of happiness until I got sick. So yes, if you are on the right combination of meds and have an excellent therapist, you can overcome depression. Or it can improve greatly. Think about why you are depressed. Sometimes people are depressed for no reason at all. It can be a chemical I'm balance in the brain and very easy to fix.

Do you mind if I PM you?

 

[Final_frontier]

There is absolutely hope for depression if the underlying circumstances are treatable. For example, I am extremely depressed because I have something called Complex Regional Pain Syndrome which is the highest ranking pain condition in medical history. There are no treatments and no cure. So no matter how much I talk to a psychiatrist or therapist, I'm still going to be stuck in my house like I have been for the last 14 years ever since I was 20 in excruciating pain and isolation, never knowing what love is or what life is like.

When I was 15 I had a very bad bought with OCD and got very depressed and wanted to die. But with the correct medication and the correct therapist, I conquered my problem and was able to be happy again. It gave me 5 extra years of happiness until I got sick. So yes, if you are on the right combination of meds and have an excellent therapist, you can overcome depression. Or it can improve greatly. Think about why you are depressed. Sometimes people are depressed for no reason at all. It can be a chemical I'm balance in the brain and very easy to fix.

Talking about OCD, its OCD and anxiety which caused my depression. It started at 12,when i was called to the principals office for weird behaviour and my parents were called. My parents scolded me for it that ive brought shame on the family. I was embarassed and scared and hid the OCD for 5 years, by that time I was severely depressed, school was hell those 5 years. Ive been taking treatment since but I guess its too late for me. The depression wont go away. Shame and fear and stigma did it for me. Im doomed :(

 

[StillWaiting]

No.
Cant imagine living a day feeling okay

 

[Chalken]

I don't think there is. I could describe depression as "lifting the veil". Once you see the meaninglessness and futility of it all you can't go back. Sure, you can get better at coping with depression, but it never leaves. It's always there.

 

[Final Escape]

Maybe.

For 20 years I was diagnosed as depressed, bipolar etc... I've had about ten weeks depression-free, thanks to Testosterone shots and Dianabol. I came here today because 20 years took a toll on me , and even I feel okay today the truth is I missed some opportunities and I lack some skills and experiences which make me feel hurt right now, similar to when I was depressed, but not exactly the same.

I would love to try hormone replacement.

 

[dandan]

I would love to try hormone replacement.

Actually , I started with Dianabol, a steroid and going to the gym if I don't wanted too. After around 10, 12 days I felt without depression , I was excited, I searched for a hormone doctor , told him my story and I got blown away with his reply, he then told me to continue with Dianabol, and get testosterone, blood samples was the first thing I took even before going with him, I didn't wanted another pschylogist who doesn't has any blood test to work on. So , I would like many people to try it too. And my best wishes, but yeah Dianabol is the "feel good steroid", my doctor says to continue , I'm on a low dose , best of luck

 

[woxihuanni]

I dont count people with situational depression as people that are cured. Those are the idiots that tell society that depression is curable to appease the human inner spirit who want to believe that there are rainbows and unicorns everywhere. And those are the same idiots that assist society in ostracizing those with chronic depression because they become the poster children for "hope."

I am furious against the same thing, as someone who's seemed to be 'depressed' in shitty circumstances. Fucker I am NOT depressed, I know why I feel like shit because guess what, my life is shit? Every time the concrete problems were solved (better place to live, etc.), I was instantly glowing with happiness.

So yeah if I was not stubborn, I would've been labeled depressed and taken long walks and happy pills, and when I was happy again I would be a poster child. I just happen to have sense and a spine. Same thing happening now, lost appetite because of grief and some little idiot friend who is a doctor tells me I have an eating disorder. Which magically goes away when I'm happy?! And compares me to their giddy friends who actually have eating disorders because they thought they were fat. Fucker I've told you a trillion times I WANT to be much fatter, are you listening?

Rant over, my rants are note cute and funny like A.'s who made my depressive circumstances happen.

 

[Final_frontier]

I dont count people with situational depression as people that are cured. Those are the idiots that tell society that depression is curable to appease the human inner spirit who want to believe that there are rainbows and unicorns everywhere. And those are the same idiots that assist society in ostracizing those with chronic depression because they become the poster children for "hope."

What exactly is situational depression? Ive been dealing with OCD and anxiety for 13 years and Ive had depression on and off. The last episode was triggered by exam stress followed by a failure. Does that make my depression situational? Is there hope for me?

 

[woxihuanni]

What exactly is situational depression? Ive been dealing with OCD and anxiety for 13 years and Ive had depression on and off. The last episode was triggered by exam stress followed by a failure. Does that make my depression situational? Is there hope for me?

No, everybody takes exams and fails sometimes. Unless there are deeper problems in your life that you don't tell us about, it is clinical depression. Situational depression is when your basic needs are not met one way or another.

 

[Final_frontier]

No, everybody takes exams and fails sometimes. Unless there are deeper problems in your life that you don't tell us about, it is clinical depression. Situational depression is when your basic needs are not met one way or another.

OCD and anxiety 24X7, is what caused my depression. I was wondering whether this qualifies as situational depression. Ive recovered at least partially from it when I was 17, but then I went down under again due to the constant stress of OCD/anxiety. The last episode was the worst which lasted at least a couple of months back in November last year. Still feeling the symptoms. :(

 

[woxihuanni]

OCD and anxiety 24X7, is what caused my depression. I was wondering whether this qualifies as situational depression. Ive recovered at least partially from it when I was 17, but then I went down under again due to the constant stress of OCD/anxiety. The last episode was the worst which lasted at least a couple of months back in November last year. Still feeling the symptoms. :(

OCD/anxiety is not outside circumstances either. Your OCD is like ouroboros, you don't seem to be able to focus on anything else than the OCD. Hope there is a medication out there that will shut that down by brute chemical force.

 

[Xaphous]

There is for some. For me im permanently isolated almost 11 years now, before that life was still brutally pathetic, just with slight less isolation but being treat like garbage still. Its been too long i know now ive spent my 20s in solitary ill never recover.