Is there any point in living?

[Jean Améry]

Listening to this at this moment in time I believe there is yes. Such beauty...



Of course one can't listen to this constantly and sooner or later the horror of life will creep in again but for now at least I'm somewhat content.

"We have art so as not to die of the truth" (Nietzsche). I doubt art can mend broken lives and provide a sustainable reason for living but without it life would certainly be a mistake.

 

[First loss]

Well now, life is what you make it. Your goals, wishes, dreams. You set your own destination. Like a giant sandbox game. Other then that, no.

You are nothing. Meaningless being in an meaningless world that shouldn't have happened anyways.

 

[Jean Améry]

I have often thought the same. It seems that life is simply delaying the inevitable. Some people have a good time. Successful and enjoy it. But no matter what you do we all end up the same. So why not take a short cut and stop doing what society expects? It's your life and your right to do as you want. It shouldn't be made hard to ctb. Its your personal right.

Couldn't agree more. I don't think living is rational by any means: it's just biology and psychological mechanisms driving the whole rigged, objectively pointless game. Yet suicide is deemed the height of irrationality: go figure. It's clear society (erronously) interprets 'rationality' as anything that is to its own benefit.

I'll fully admit my reason for staying alive isn't rational: love and care for others' well-being is by definition not rational.

 

[omoidarui]

i think mankind is divided between those with an inherent biological desire to live, and those without.

most fall into the former.

the two groups have great difficulty understanding each other, but basically those who desire to live tend to include the pro-lifers who make the rules that keep the rest of us grounded here.

anyway, going back to the original question i would say that asking if there's a point to live is the same as asking if there's a point to love - there isn't one, it's just a biological instinct. that's how i perceive it, anyway (having never had it)

 

[Ashpac]

The whole point of this life is to experience as much as we can before we die.
Whether its good or bad, depends on the cards we are dealt and how we handle them.
We are just a state of consciousness in a physical body (a vehicle if you like)
Is life worth living you ask? for some people yes. For the majority no!
I want to opt out and stop being a slave to this system we call life.
No pain and not being damaged mentally from my past. I deserve that, we all do.

 

[Alan James]

i think mankind is divided between those with an inherent biological desire to live, and those without.

most fall into the former.

the two groups have great difficulty understanding each other, but basically those who desire to live tend to include the pro-lifers who make the rules that keep the rest of us grounded here.

Those who administer this world system are not pro-lifers at all. They understand everything correctly, they are very smart. Pro-lifers are just people with brainwashed minds. Slaveholders were well aware of what they did with their slaves, CTB and euthanasia is like a slave runaway.They need wage slaves and resources (we are all a resource for them - like oil, coal or gas), this is the reason. This is a ruthless enemy, slave owner: this is not a mistake, stupidity, ignorance.

 

[NoOneKnows]

Those who administer this world system are not pro-lifers at all. They understand everything correctly, they are very smart. Pro-lifers are just people with brainwashed minds. Slaveholders were well aware of what they did with their slaves, CTB and euthanasia is like a slave runaway.They need wage slaves and resources (we are all a resource for them - like oil, coal or gas), this is the reason. This is a ruthless enemy, slave owner: this is not a mistake, stupidity, ignorance.

agree

 

[omoidarui]

Those who administer this world system are not pro-lifers at all. They understand everything correctly, they are very smart. Pro-lifers are just people with brainwashed minds. Slaveholders were well aware of what they did with their slaves, CTB and euthanasia is like a slave runaway.They need wage slaves and resources (we are all a resource for them - like oil, coal or gas), this is the reason. This is a ruthless enemy, slave owner: this is not a mistake, stupidity, ignorance.

i don't believe in corruption or anything. i literally think it's that they don't understand right to die, not that they reject it to keep us feeding into the system.

if the system is heartless and meant to cater only to those at the top, why aren't terminally ill people permitted to end their lives? wouldn't they be considered a 'drain on resources' in that view?

 

[Jen Erik]

It's not up to me to decide what is or isn't meaningless for someone else, much in the same way I'd like pro-lifers to keep their fucking nose out of my choice to end my life on my terms.

 

[Alan James]

if the system is heartless and meant to cater only to those at the top, why aren't terminally ill people permitted to end their lives? wouldn't they be considered a 'drain on resources' in that view?

Because they want to get money from everyone, even from the terminally ill. Big pharma and medicine need patients - if you are healthy then you will not buy their drugs and services. Terminally ill patients and/or their relatives are usually forced to pay for drugs and other services, they just have no other choice. Only in a few of the most prosperous countries euthanasia legalized - is there at least one third world country where it was legalized? Also, euthanasia would be a visible manifestation of freedom and the right to choose - they don't want to do this, then life would be more peaceful and confident, people under stress and fear would be easier to control.

 

[omoidarui]

Because they want to get money from everyone, even from the terminally ill. Big pharma and medicine need patients - if you are healthy then you will not buy their drugs and services. Terminally ill patients and/or their relatives are usually forced to pay for drugs and other services, they just have no other choice. Only in a few of the most prosperous countries euthanasia legalized - is there at least one third world country where it was legalized?

i don't imagine the pharmacies benefit more than the system as a whole loses out, taking into account the time off work that may be spent by those looking after a sick relative.

here in the UK we have a health service that is funded by the taxpayers, but due to an aging population, is becoming harder for the government to sustain. from a corporate point of view it would seem more profitable to let the terminally ill die.

not euthanasia, but there are third world countries that still employ the death penalty.

people under stress and fear would be easier to control.

debatable

 

[Final Escape]

Not just for someone who's suicidal, depressed.

But is there really any point of living? Everyone is going to die anyway. I don't really see anything good about living. Even if someone's having a happy life, I really don't see a point in it and it's all meaningless.

There can be, u have to make a point lol! You have to find meaning. I wish I had understood sooner because I wasted my youth pursuing meaningless shit. Now I'm like fuck I wish I was dead. Im tired of being alive at 42. Nothing to show for all that time either.

 

[CursedForDisaster]

Life could be anything, use your imagination... some people are living in their own movie, others are in their own hell, some feel like extras in other people's stories...

The meaning of life depends on your perspective and hope/belief in what life should be.. the universe is too complex to put a set of words/thoughts to..We're just a spec of dust, that can be beautiful or it can mean nothing

 

[lymestolemylife]

Those who administer this world system are not pro-lifers at all. They understand everything correctly, they are very smart. Pro-lifers are just people with brainwashed minds. Slaveholders were well aware of what they did with their slaves, CTB and euthanasia is like a slave runaway.They need wage slaves and resources (we are all a resource for them - like oil, coal or gas), this is the reason. This is a ruthless enemy, slave owner: this is not a mistake, stupidity, ignorance.

I believe that if the controllers weren't so evil our brains wouldn't be like this in the first place. They have created invisible illnesses and maimed us with all their shit from birth, our brains don't work right. I blame them.

 

[Mizzmini45]

I don't see any point in living... especially for old people like me(57 years old)... this nightmare only gets worse and worse for the elderly

This is terrifying. I have to leave before I get to that point like everyone will

I'm 71. Still physically fit and healthy AFAIK.
But everything went catastrophically wrong less than a year ago.
I have survived day by day, hiding the true extent of my difficulties from everybody, even on forums like this. I still have SI and fear of pain but I should try and get over that now and do what is inevitable. But I will keep hanging on, I fear, making things worse, until life, humiliation, loneliness, guilt, mental turmoil and regret become utterly overwhelming. My life is hell, yet I fool people, smile and chat, when I meet and speak to them.

Oh god.

 

[WingedFallen]

The point is what you make it. I struggle to find that myself, but I believe it is possible to GIVE your life purpose. Maybe it's caring for another, maybe it's finally writing a novel, learning an instrument you've always wanted to learn, taking dance lessons, reading the books you always meant to read, raising your children. Maybe it's just watching as many sunsets as you can and enjoying their beauty. Maybe it's watching every episode of Days of Our Lives twice. It doesn't matter what others think of your purpose as much as it matters whether you feel satisfied or fulfilled by it. And purposes can change as time goes on.

I of course understand that our mental and physical health doesn't always support what we want to do. For some it never does. And part of why I am here is that I believe that it is absolutely your right to do what you want with your own body, and that no one understands what you're going through better than you. If you decide that living is worse than dying, it isn't my place to say your reasons are invalid. But for myself I go from feeling like all is pointless and I have no future, no hope, and no chance of happiness to thinking life is beautiful and fun. Helping people and non-human animals is often the greatest joy in my life, and when I see an opportunity to help someone I take that as my temporary purpose, be they a hitchiker that needs a ride or someone in line at a grocery store that's a little short of money. Today this website has given me some purpose. If I can contribute to a community and offer help and/or comfort to those in pain, well, that's something at least.

Much love. I have plenty of days where I wouldn't have the positivity in me to type what I just typed above, but luckily today isn't one of those days.