is suicide bad for the economy

[wildflowers1996]

am i worth more to society alive or dead?

 

[singularity3]

Yes mate. Every person is a potential economic active. Dead ppl dont move money.

 

[davidtorez]

am i worth more to society alive or dead?

Are you paying taxes or not?

 

[dggtscccvfd]

am i worth more to society alive or dead?

This is a complex question. The conventional wisdom would be that suicide is bad for the economy: productive workers dropping dead hurts supply whilst fewer consumers hurts demand. This is the approach taken by the Samaritan's who argue each suicide costs £1.46 million: https://www.samaritans.org/news/heres-why-suicide-prevention-is-a-worthwhile-investment/ . This approach, in my view, is flawed: suicidal people are much more likely than the general public to be economically inactive and hence reliant on benefits to survive. When a benefits claimant dies, there's a cost saving to be had. Therefore, the question of whether you personally are worth more alive or dead depends a lot on whether you are working or not. Personally, I live on sick pay due to ill health so my suicide will save money.

 

[Relic]

Personally, I live on sick pay due to ill health so my suicide will save money.

Assuming that every cent taken from the taxpayer goes to you. But does it? And if you have ever paid taxes, this is why. To get it back when you need it. While suicide statistics are a stain on government's reputation (shows that they are not really earning their salaries that they take from people's pockets), everything is used to allocate funds. As far as certain sectors go, suicides, murders and crime in general is a big business. Forensic pathology, emergency services, the dead pay a lot of salaries, but so do the disabled.

 

[UKscotty]

Most of us who are suicidal are not contributing to society.. which is why governments would prefer us dead. The cut mental health services, push people into poverty and shut down crisis units.

Unless we pay in more than we take out of the system, we are more cost effective dead to the ministers. That's the sad reality of capitalism.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

Assuming that every cent taken from the taxpayer goes to you. But does it? And if you have ever paid taxes, this is why. To get it back when you need it. While suicide statistics are a stain on government's reputation (shows that they are not really earning their salaries that they take from people's pockets), everything is used to allocate funds. As far as certain sectors go, suicides, murders and crime in general is a big business. Forensic pathology, emergency services, the dead pay a lot of salaries, but so do the disabled.

So your conclusion is it's good for the economy due to the economic benefits it brings?

 

[sserafim]

Who the fuck cares about the economy? It doesn't give a shit about you

am i worth more to society alive or dead?

Why do you care about your worth to society? Society doesn't care about you

 

[Darkover]

depends on whether or not you're a productive member of society are part of the work force then yes they will lose a million pound but if your dependent on the government for welfare then your a drain on the economy

 

[sserafim]

Yes mate. Every person is a potential economic active. Dead ppl dont move money.

Literally. Even if you don't work, you still consume, putting money into the economy

 

[Relic]

So your conclusion is it's good for the economy due to the economic benefits it brings?

Yes, the system is built as a chain, everything has a role in it. The benefits are quite low, it is calculated that these are spent on healthcare and services. I have been assured by the officials in this system that these people are not really a burden.

 

[Darkover]

Literally. Even if you don't work, you still consume, putting money into the economy

it's not your money you've earned yourself but been given from people who do work even if you do consume the government is still losing money

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Are you paying taxes or not?

Even if someone cannot work and stays at home all the time they pay indirect taxes bc everything is taxed (specifically VAT). If someone rents a flat they also pay indirect taxes bc the one who lets the flat is taxed for that income. It's a complex thing. Even if people cannot work they contribute to the tax system.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

Most of us who are suicidal are not contributing to society.. which is why governments would prefer us dead. The cut mental health services, push people into poverty and shut down crisis units.

Unless we pay in more than we take out of the system, we are more cost effective dead to the ministers. That's the sad reality of capitalism.

Why just capitalism? Communist countries face the same dilemma: the suicidal, in the main, are not contributing so why provide them with services. I doubt mental health services are great in Cuba! North Korea banned suicide, but still has high rates of it: https://www.rfa.org/english/news/korea/suicide-06052023162051.html/ampRFA

 

[Praestat_Mori]

In my opinion suicide isn't bad for the economy. It really won't hurt the economy significantly bc suicidal people, who actually kill themselves even with the most peaceful method - if it was available - are a very small minority. I'd say most of those people don't contribute to the economy at least not as "work force / human resource".

 

[Little_Suzy]

This is a case-by-case basis because we need to know how much the deceased contributed to the economy.

Non-contributing deaths, can reduce blight and benefit the community as a whole.

People on benefits stimulate the economy because their monthly checks are disbursed back into the community.

Someone like me no longer stimulates her community with her disposable income in the same way she used to, because anhedonia has caused me to lose interest in almost everything.

it's not your money you've earned yourself but been given from people who do work even if you do consume the government is still losing money

The government's money is OUR MONEY!

The budget allocates our tax dollars to various spending programs. People pay taxes on everything; income tax is not the only tax that matters. Every time I drink a Coke, it helps a child go to school for free!

Heads of Household, such as sserafim's parents and our spouses, are paying taxes, and they are typically high-income earners.

Many disabled people receive financial support from pensions and retirement from their own jobs! Because my husband is a high-income earner, I am ineligible for welfare benefits. Regardless, I was self-made before getting sick.

 

[Morte]

Even the neets contribute to the economy by paying health plans, therapies and taxes. A dead citizen is not profitable. I think the only people who would be better off economically are beggars and criminals

 

[teajay1]

one singular person moving tens of thousands of dollars dying doesn't impact the economy in ways that anyone would notice. even the rich, even the poor. humans literally appear out of a womb and take your job in 18 years or so. you could total a brand new car and that will affect the economy more than the average working class death (speaking of new cars, why the FUCK are new civics, corollas and camrys pushing 35k?)

 

[uzuf86]

Economy and money is bad for the world. Who cares if ctb is bad for the economy?

 

[Iamtired]

Who fucking cares. government sucks And they don't determine and have never determined my worth as a human. Only I get to determine that.

 

[Kit1]

My feeling is that suicide is bad for the economy for the following reasons;
1. A lot of people who end their lives are actually working and paying taxes.
2. Regardless of whether we work or not, we all pay taxes through purchase of goods, services etc.
3. My main point would be that for every person who ends their life, this will have a negative impact on loved ones and those individuals will go on to rely on increased medical services, less pay as the impact on their careers will be greater as well and then there is the challenge of intergenerational trauma.

There are other reasons as well - but I feel that point 3 is a major challenge.

 

[divinemistress36]

Pharmaceutical companies make bank off mentally ill people. All the antidepressants. A patient cured is a patient lost

 

[Iamtired]

It depends how long you're unproductive also. I would assume if you lived long enough you would have to hold a job down at some point (like myself) just to lose it due to mental and physical health issues. we are all forced into producing and even find some pleasure in it as it's a source of healthy pride, if you're lucky. And if you stay alive long enough I guarantee you will be part of that system as most people have to work to live any decent life. So yes, even suicidal people are valuable as goods and services need to be delved out to even the sickest and most debilitated

Pharmaceutical companies make bank off mentally ill people. All the antidepressants. A patient cured is a patient lost

Oh yeah Not to mention the scary dependent substances they market as safe. Oh hi you're talking about me .

 

[locked*n*loaded]

How the economy of my country, and even the world, gets along without me in it, is like the furthest thing from my concerns. I don't owe the world my presence or my consumerism.

 

[sserafim]

How the economy of my country, and even the world, gets along without me in it, is like the furthest thing from my concerns. I don't owe the world my presence or my consumerism.

Literally

 

[davidtorez]

Even if someone cannot work and stays at home all the time they pay indirect taxes bc everything is taxed (specifically VAT). If someone rents a flat they also pay indirect taxes bc the one who lets the flat is taxed for that income. It's a complex thing. Even if people cannot work they contribute to the tax system.

This is true. We have GST tax that everyone pays here in Australia working or not.

 

[astonishedturnip]

More people in the world is more taxpayers, more voters, more employees to compete for jobs and drive down wages, more demand in the shitshow of a housing market, more medical bills, more consumers, more college tuition, more ad revenue, more subscribers. There's no meaningful benefit to suicide from the lizards in charge. Should be telling that every politician whining about overpopulation does fuck-all about it except encourage you to have few or no children, even though the western birth rate is in freefall. Oh, unless you're homeless, or chronically ill or disabled or something and are on the government dole, in THAT case you can die. smh

I don't give a damn about any of it of course. I could straight-up blow my brains out at my work desk without warning, but I'd never do that to my work partner who is one of my few sources of positive social interaction these days.