Is SN peaceful?

[Cor116]

I just want to die a peaceful fast and painless death. It's either SN or N but I can't get N unless from pet pharmacy right?

 

[JoaoBye]

The problem with SN is that it varies. I think you lose consciousness before suffocation occurs. Its also my main method but I understand I will have some 40 minutes of knowing that I am going to die that only some benzos can calm.

 

[concession]

Actually would like to see proof of peacefulness of the SN measured in some way too.
I am really scared of dying for multiple hours. Loosing consciousness is not a guarantee of painless death.

What if my brain will be in absolute agony those last hours dying of hypoxia?

 

[Romanticize]

lol guys, SN is as peaceful as it gets given how easy it is to obtain.
Of course N is better but it is not available anymore. Inert gas is better too, but it's hard to prepare. Opioids are slightly better imo, but also not easy to get.

@concession - of course losing consciousness is A GUARANTEE of ZERO pain. Before you lose consciousness it sucks, but no consciousness is exactly same as being dead.

And you are partially right, SN can be very unpleasant for 1-2 hours - but only if you don't prepare, don't fast, don't use meto, don't have benzos.
If you use meto and benzos, the unconsciousness is in 15-20min and benzos dull the panic and the idea of "knowing you will die soon".
Btw. if you are planning ANY method - even jumping, you know you will die soon always xD

 

[bankai]

Actually would like to see proof of peacefulness of the SN measured in some way too.
I am really scared of dying for multiple hours. Loosing consciousness is not a guarantee of painless death.

What if my brain will be in absolute agony those last hours dying of hypoxia?

I can tell you honestly it doesn't take multiple hours. I've seen multiple people die from SN. It's always peaceful. Unconsciousness usually happens in 10 to 15 minutes or less in what I watched and even before that they fade in and out of consciousness.

 

[concession]

of course losing consciousness is A GUARANTEE of ZERO pain. Before you lose consciousness it sucks, but no consciousness is exactly same as being dead.

I do still feel physical pain when I am asleep (even if it is made up in a dream). Dont you have this too from time to time?

I can tell you honestly it doesn't take multiple hours. I've seen multiple people die from SN. It's always peaceful. Unconsciousness usually happens in 10 to 15 minutes or less in what I watched and even before that they fade in and out of consciousness.

The thing that bothers me is I think that you can not assume peacefulness just from looking at people.
Imagine the horror being in agony while being completely paralyzed.

Try to remember the worst nightmares you`ve had asleep. The feeling of how long you are in them.
I bet if you film someone`s having a nightmare and watch it as an outsider, this can be percieved as a peaceful experience. It is especially true if you are purposefully looking for a drug that will offer you a painless way out and do not have much of a choice because of the restrictions.

I wish there was some way to measure that kind of brain activity and a data to back up SN as a trully peaceful experience after lose of consciousness.

 

[Romanticize]

I do still feel physical pain when I am asleep (even if it is made up in a dream). Dont you have this too from time to time?


I wish there was some way to measure that kind of brain activity and a data to back up SN as a trully peaceful experience after lose of consciousness.

Haha bro.
Losing consciousness is totally different than being asleep! Brain activity, and brain waves frequency is totally different. Did you have general anesthesia (narosis) being operated in hospital? This is true loss of consciousness, no brain activity except of brainstem just keeping the basic primal functions to keep you alive. NO DREAMS AT ALL BRO, GUARANTEED 100000% AND CONFIRMED BY THOUSANDS OF RESEARCH.

Yes, we can feel pain in dreams, but it's not "real" - not caused by actual stimulation of pain receptors in your body. Instead, your brain simulates the sensation of pain based on memory, fear, or the logic of the dream. It can feel very real, but it's much weaker and more like a "mind-generated" pain than a physical one

but as I said, no consciousness = no dreams bro ^.^ This is why suicide methods like N or inert gas are so perfect, because they cause death while you are unsconscious. And until unconsciousness, no pain or suffering happens -> means you practically die in your sleep, with no pain at all.

I can tell you honestly it doesn't take multiple hours. I've seen multiple people die from SN. It's always peaceful. Unconsciousness usually happens in 10 to 15 minutes or less in what I watched and even before that they fade in and out of consciousness.

it is true only if people are perfectly prepared: fasting, meto, benzos.
If someone botches it, and don't prepare well + they vomit a lot, they can suffer for hours, and/or don't die at all

 

[wyo777]

lol guys, SN is as peaceful as it gets given how easy it is to obtain.
Of course N is better but it is not available anymore. Inert gas is better too, but it's hard to prepare. Opioids are slightly better imo, but also not easy to get.

@concession - of course losing consciousness is A GUARANTEE of ZERO pain. Before you lose consciousness it sucks, but no consciousness is exactly same as being dead.

And you are partially right, SN can be very unpleasant for 1-2 hours - but only if you don't prepare, don't fast, don't use meto, don't have benzos.
If you use meto and benzos, the unconsciousness is in 15-20min and benzos dull the panic and the idea of "knowing you will die soon".
Btw. if you are planning ANY method - even jumping, you know you will die soon always xD

N is available. It is not such an easy as it was but it is still available. It will be unavailable if they will stop production, but that not gonna happen.

 

[Romanticize]

N is available. It is not such an easy as it was but it is still available. It will be unavailable if they will stop production, but that not gonna happen.

yeah but good luck getting that, it's almost impossible to get even in rural pharmacies in south america. unless you got a friend vet who is willing to risk his career to provide you N. After N is detected in postmortem, an investigation is launched where it was obtained from. Many people here have trouble getting SN, which is legal and can be just ordered on the clearnet, so N is close to impossible.

 

[wyo777]

yeah but good luck getting that, it's almost impossible to get even in rural pharmacies in south america. unless you got a friend vet who is willing to risk his career to provide you N. After N is detected in postmortem, an investigation is launched where it was obtained from. Many people here have trouble getting SN, which is legal and can be just ordered on the clearnet, so N is close to impossible.

It is all about contacts and money.

 

[Docdj]

Sorry for jumping in on someone else's post but I'm new and don't know how to post a question

I was checking to see if I could find SN on the Internet last night. I'm not great with computers but I found it and a seller in 5 minutes. Is it that easy to get?

Thanks

 

[concession]

Haha bro.
Losing consciousness is totally different than being asleep! Brain activity, and brain waves frequency is totally different. Did you have general anesthesia (narosis) being operated in hospital? This is true loss of consciousness, no brain activity except of brainstem just keeping the basic primal functions to keep you alive. NO DREAMS AT ALL BRO, GUARANTEED 100000% AND CONFIRMED BY THOUSANDS OF RESEARCH.

Yes, we can feel pain in dreams, but it's not "real" - not caused by actual stimulation of pain receptors in your body. Instead, your brain simulates the sensation of pain based on memory, fear, or the logic of the dream. It can feel very real, but it's much weaker and more like a "mind-generated" pain than a physical one

but as I said, no consciousness = no dreams bro ^.^ This is why suicide methods like N or inert gas are so perfect, because they cause death while you are unsconscious. And until unconsciousness, no pain or suffering happens -> means you practically die in your sleep, with no pain at all.

it is true only if people are perfectly prepared: fasting, meto, benzos.
If someone botches it, and don't prepare well + they vomit a lot, they can suffer for hours, and/or don't die at all

Can you please provide the sources confirming complete loss of consciousness and some subset of those thousands of research you`ve mentioned?
This is exactly what I wanted to get familiar with.

 

[Romanticize]

Can you please provide the sources confirming complete loss of consciousness and some subset of those thousands of research you`ve mentioned?
This is exactly what I wanted to get familiar with.

Sure bro

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Brown, E. N., Lydic, R., & Schiff, N. D. (2010). "General anesthesia, sleep, and coma." New England Journal of Medicine, 363(27), 2638–2650.
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Again, loss of consciousness (whether due to general anesthesia, coma, deep sleep, or syncope) typically means the brain's pain perception systems are offline. The parts of the brain responsible for consciously experiencing pain—especially the thalamus, cortex, and pain matrix—must be active for pain to be felt. If those systems are inactive, as in unconscious states, there is no perception of pain, not even in dreams.

 

[Mooncry]

Again, loss of consciousness (whether due to general anesthesia, coma, deep sleep, or syncope) typically means the brain's pain perception systems are offline. The parts of the brain responsible for consciously experiencing pain—especially the thalamus, cortex, and pain matrix—must be active for pain to be felt. If those systems are inactive, as in unconscious states, there is no perception of pain, not even in dreams.

@concession Adding to this to say that as soon as unconsciousness occurs, you'll no longer have any concept of time, so you're essentially already dead from your perspective because you'll have no way of perceiving how much time you've spent being unconscious. So, for example, if you're someone who believes in an afterlife, the time between losing consciousness and waking up within said afterlife would be instantaneous from your point of view. (Theoretically, of course.)

This is probably obvious, but it's something to remember for anyone who may be scared of feeling pain after losing consciousness. As @Romanticize said already, that simply wouldn't happen. You'd be completely unable to feel or perceive anything.

This is also true because, when the brain is in a state of shutting down or imminent death, it's only prioritizing the most important biological functions in a last ditch effort to keep the body alive. Pain isn't even going to be on its radar, even if you could still perceive it during a state of true unconsciousness. We already know that people who are actively dying don't experience distress through the use of EEG recordings.