Is our pain negligible for the sake of humankind? Because life is inherently precious no matter what?

[noname223]

If I think about antinatalism or listen to intellectuals talking about antinatalism there comes this question to my mind. Is our pain negligible for the gift that life can be for so many others. (In the point of view of most neurotypicals.) I know this is a very controversial stance and I don't really support it. But it is interesting to discuss.
I read extremely torturous stories in this forum. And every time I do that this gives me antinatalism vibes. I am not fully convinced about antinatalism but this is not the main topic of this thread.
If you discuss with someone who is against antinatalism you can give examples of people who suffer(ed) extreme horrible pain for decades without any break. But then there can be several responses to it. (some I have already heard). As following:

1. Having a horrible life only counts for a small minority of people. Way more people live happy and fulfilled lives, Life is a gift. If you live in western countries there is often the argument just imagine how people in the third world have to live. It is at least not as bad as there. This argument is often made when someone is desperate and has no money. (Ironically very often rich people bring that argument. I have read it for example in a self-help book. The author got rich with it. Why not donating the money you fucking hypocrite.)

2. Some lives are simply a tragedy. This is the price humankind has to pay for this unique experience of consciousness. We have to support these people as good as possible. (And stopping them from committing suicide.) Yes I think this is an argument many religious people make. Life is precious no matter how the person feels. Due to the fact that life has an inherent value which is not negotionable. (Yes but we allow animals to die peacefully even despite the fact they cannot give consent. Still we see it as morally right.)

3. The fate of individuals are tragic but we cannot do something about it. This is simply how life is. Some are lucky, some don't have luck. You have to made the best out of it. If life gives you lemons, make lemonade. You are your own biggest enemy. Don't blame other people for being unlucky (Despite the fact I was abused for more than a decade). This is simply the wrong attitude you have. You have to be more positive. Smile more and life will smile back. Change your perspective on it.

4. This is a very perfidious one. It comes from people who have recovered from a crisis. They had solvable problems. (This counts for some anti-choice people). They say look at me I have escaped from depression/ illness or pain. Because I did it the others can do it too. And if they can't do it they have not tried hard enough or simply don't want to get better.

Even if I grant you that some people just have been dealt a shitty life. (I think this counts for way more people than most think of - but putting that aside) Why don't we give these people an escape from their pain. No instead the society/ the elites want to imprison them and take away their last dignity. This is really cruel. Like just pretend for a second our pain would be negligible for the sake of humankind. Why are we forced to go on with this horrible torture? This does not make any sense.

 

[LastFlowers]

I don't believe anyone's happiness should outweigh (or be given more consideration than) another person's misery.
I don't exist to be a tortured stepping stone so that the rest of humanity can climb its way toward the sun.
If another person's smile requires a graveyard to support it, then it is not a smile worth protecting.

People roll the dice on a human life every time they decide to bring another human being into this world, some of these human beings will experience a life they consider worth living, others will perish to ash before they so much as feel mere contentment.
The former group's existence should not justify the inevitability of the latter group's existence (or any group akin to it).

The people who give those types of responses (1-4) are just as biased as the tormented antinatalists, as they usually either possess a happy life or the potential for one. It's all about selfishness. (And hypocrisy, like you mentioned.)
Of course they want to continue procreating and blaming the victims of life (and society) for their suffering, because they have a horse in the race, same as we do.
They can't concede the points, else they implicate themselves.
They don't even mind that eventually one of their own descendants will suffer the same fate as those who find themselves in the position so many of us here do.

Life is not precious, we are human beings the same as everyone else and we are not to be the price paid in order for others to live a fulfilling life.
Imagine churning out humans on a conveyor belt and every so often having to let a few slip through the cracks into a furnace or a sharp spinning wheel..the continuation of life is like this, only much worse, much more complicated and drawn out.

Life is not what you make of it, you are what life makes of you.
Suffer the detriments or reap the benefits, as they are handed to you or stripped from your grasp.
"Choice" itself is not something that is doled out equally either, an "attitude adjustment" will not magically make the abundance of preferential choices appear, therefore any hard work or persistence is nullified when you have no open doors for these things to propel you through, you will thrust yourself into a brick wall or wallow in delusions that won't last unless everyone around you humors you for the rest of your days, like a brainwashed juvenile.
Within reality, only one perspective reigns supreme and you will be at the mercy of that perspective, forever and always, no matter how many times you try to tweak or filter your own view.

Other people most certainly can be (and are) to blame, society is simply a mass of individuals constantly contributing to its foul status quo. When nature isn't screwing us, other people are, or it becomes a conglomeration of many-often immutable-factors.
Again, nobody wants to take responsibility for how their actions could harm another person or even bring about their suicide/compound the factors leading up to it.

Those who say "do as I did, I can, therefore so can you" are ridiculous people who somehow believe that everyone is born equal or can achieve equal amounts of happiness, when that's clearly not the case.
Their "phase" is another person's "beginning, middle, and end".
These are people who do not appreciate the very real differences between human beings, the "case by case", they posses a form of myopia like no other, and they are so high off their own ascension from hell that they fail to realize that not everyone has a way out, of no fault of their own.
They forget themselves because they no longer are the selves that were stuck in that awful position, and so they spit in the face of those who were not unlike them but a moment ago.
They never see the other pieces at play that allowed them to overcome their predicaments, they attribute the miracle to their own effort alone, when that is so rarely the truth.

To me, pain of this nature is the opposite of negligible, it is instead, what we should see as the most severe consequence-for which there is no moral or ethical (or even rational) defense, so long as we are being honest.