Is it wrong to take money from people you help to die

[idiotstillwantstodie]

Exit gets a lot of criticism for this. But there are a billion and then some people in the world who just want to get out. Your resources are limited. Why not take some from the people you help, they are not going to need it anyways once they are gone?

No one in here would have any N if some random guy in the internet didn't make a profitable business out of selling it. He doesn't even have any idea who he is selling it to and how they are going to use it. Yet all of us looking for an easy way out think this guy is a saint.

I think it certainly feels kind of wrong, but that's just how the world works. You can roll with it or just do nothing about anything. What is your take?

 

[Insomniac]

I think it certainly feels kind of wrong, but that's just how the world works.

nah. If birth is free, so should be death. what I mean is it should be the government's duty to provide people with dignified death instead of wasting and stealing people's money.

Natural death is already so expensive as is.

 

[motel rooms]

No one in here would have any N if some random guy in the internet didn't make a profitable business out of selling it. He doesn't even have any idea who he is selling it to and how they are going to use it. Yet all of us looking for an easy way out think this guy is a saint.

I don't think he's a saint. He's a clever fucker making a killing.

 

[Fadeawaaaay]

It's a service provided. I see no reason why it's wrong.

 

[Insomniac]

I don't think he's a saint. He's a clever fucker making a killing.

I don't care if he is that cynical. I just hope he is as clever as you say to not lie about the suicide products and efficacy level. It'd be bad for business wouldn't it.

 

[motel rooms]

I don't care if he is that cynical.

I don't care either. He's doing God's work, pun intended.

 

[idiotstillwantstodie]

nah. If birth is free, so should be death. what I mean is it should be the government's duty to provide people with dignified death instead of wasting and stealing people's money.

Natural death is already so expensive as is.

Well, obviously. Add that to the list of things the government should do.

I was of course thinking, is it wrong in the current circumstances.

 

[Insomniac]

is it wrong in the current circumstances

can't tell since there's nothing right in the current circumstances

 

[motel rooms]

I think it certainly feels kind of wrong

Why?

 

[idiotstillwantstodie]

Why?

These people are desperate. You are making yourself richer through their pain. You are literally feeding on their misery.

This is not the only argument to be made in the question, and i'm not personally against taking money from these services. Doesn't make it less true.

 

[motel rooms]

These people are desperate. You are making yourself richer through their pain. You are literally feeding on their misery.

We're all desperate for food & water & those who sell them to us are exploiting our desperation...

 

[chocolatebar]

It's a service provided. I see no reason why it's wrong.

Things may get more complicated when we consider marketing strategies. What if someone providing a suicide service induces people to suicide? It may sound absurd, but think about a corporation with facebook's level of info on us. It would be pretty easy for them to lead us in the path of suicide, especially if we're already suicidal. Just think about all of the consequences...

We're all desperate for food & water & those who sell them to us are exploiting our desperation...

Is it too early to conclude that, in the end, we're all selfish creatures exploiting each other in order to satisfy our needs and pleasures?

 

[motel rooms]

Is it too early to conclude that, in the end, we're all selfish creatures exploiting each other in order to satisfy our needs and pleasures?

Shhh... Please don't tell my husband, he thinks I love him.

 

[idiotstillwantstodie]

We're all desperate for food & water & those who sell them to us are exploiting our desperation...

True, but that is as vague as saying war is hell when accused of summary executions of civilians. Selling someone food is not quite as irreversible as selling them death.

 

[motel rooms]

True, but that is as vague as saying war is hell when accused of summary executions of civilians. Selling someone food is not quite as irreversible as selling them death.

He's not executing anyone / forcing anyone to ingest N...

 

[DetachedDreamer97]

It's kinda grey for me. While I do find it morally questionable to sell N like that… or maybe it's more to do with ethics, so long as A or whatever seller delivers, I guess that's just fine. Now if they're scamming people, then thats where we got a problem.

On that note, if PPEH were to provide a guide on how to synthesize N, that'd be super.

 

[ScaredToLive]

Logical extension of capitalism, even suicide is commodified and used for profit. Its grotesque really.

 

[Darkover]

not at all it's exchange of value to each parties involved ideally it would be free but we live under a capitalist economy, i would gladly pay to have a peaceful death.

 

[ScaredToLive]

but it's a service that should be provided free of charge by the state, but it isn't, so it's driven into underground markets that are selling for 3 x markup. We've privatized basic living (water, energy, food, heat, shelter) and by extension peaceful death. This is by design. The threat of a terrible death from lack of resources forces you to go to work until the day you exhaust your labour and your body is no longer exploitable by the bourgeoise

 

[PeacefulTonic]

I feel that N is priced pretty fairly, especially considering that it's a one person monopoly. I don't see a problem with someone trying to end their life peacefully, and I don't have a problem with them making a profit. Small price to pay for the best way to leave this world

 

[FromGermany]

No one in here would have any N if some random guy in the internet didn't make a profitable business out of selling it. He doesn't even have any idea who he is selling it to and how they are going to use it. Yet all of us looking for an easy way out think this guy is a saint.

The problem with D is, Nitschke is doing so, as if he has a copyright on that source, is even lying to the readers with the claim, D is only selling to PPH subscribers.

Also there is no doubt, people have lost money after Nitschke pushed in the PPH the Liberty Market scammer or this debreather scam. The update or downplay on this came too late.

His totally overpriced regulator, with that he is on the same rip-off road like EscMode.

D makes a nice profit, but he has some risks, will be put behind bars, and no one has the desire to end in a Mexican prison.

But Nitschke make money with lies, deception and pushing scammers.

This is the difference.

 

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ye it's fucked up but that's the world we live in so no more fucked up than anyone else making a living as business is inherently built on exploitation. railway companies will be taking £100 from me to get to my ctb destination and the like

 

[Dot]

I don't think he's a saint. He's a clever fucker making a killing.

Is mkng 100s of killngs...

 

[ScaredToLive]

Yes he also has to deal with the moral quandary of it all, which I personally don't think I could.

 

[rationaltake]

It's a service provided. I see no reason why it's wrong.

I wonder why there aren't more people in that country selling it.

 

[idiotstillwantstodie]

I wonder why there aren't more people in that country selling it.

My guess is that the market is relatively small. Not too many know about this stuff and how it works, and the ones who do usually use it only once.

 

[rationaltake]

My guess is that the market is relatively small. Not too many know about this stuff and how it works, and the ones who do usually use it only once.

Good point. And you can hardly advertise openly.

 

[motel rooms]

Yes he also has to deal with the moral quandary of it all, which I personally don't think I could.

I think I could.

 

[Mixo]

"He's running a business so go ahead and charge what you will" is the kind of free market thinking allows uninhibited exploitation of desperate individuals who are clearly under duress that they need to obtain N. Sure, it's fine to charge people for a service and to cover costs. But unless you're operating some 10,000 square ft underground steel bunker compound, complete with hidden servers and a staff of 20, there is no need to ratchet up the price on people to the point they have to shell out fucking thousands for two small bottles of a barb.

 

[mia_qwerty]

Exit gets a lot of criticism for this. But there are a billion and then some people in the world who just want to get out. Your resources are limited. Why not take some from the people you help, they are not going to need it anyways once they are gone?

No one in here would have any N if some random guy in the internet didn't make a profitable business out of selling it. He doesn't even have any idea who he is selling it to and how they are going to use it. Yet all of us looking for an easy way out think this guy is a saint.

I think it certainly feels kind of wrong, but that's just how the world works. You can roll with it or just do nothing about anything. What is your take?

Good question. I think scammers are messed up. I think those legitimate ones well they need to make a living as long as they aren't taking the piss with prices. Do you know of any legitimate links for UK? I got scammed real bad and would like an actual real vendor thanks