Is it really true that normies hate the suicide out of jealousy?

[Ambivalent1]

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[AllFoxedOut]

no definitely not. in my experience the suicidal are looked down upon by "normies". at best I receive pity.

 

[Ambivalent1]

no definitely not. in my experience the suicidal are looked down upon by "normies". at best I receive pity.

Why down upon? They should look up at us as their betters.

 

[Daft-Bear]

Normal people aren't envious of the suicidal. They don't understand why someone would want to CTB. Tbh, it is abnormal to want to CTB. No other animal does that. A species wouldn't survive long otherwise.

In many ways, we have domesticated ourselves. There is evidence that the human brain is shrinking, which is something that most domesticated animals exhibit. There is also a condition called "zoochosis". As a result of boredom and lack of stimulation or enrichment, animals in zoos oversleep, overeat, and show signs of severe frustration and mental instability.

I point this out because the rate of suicide substantially increased after the Industrial Revolution (Per Durkheim). We live unnaturally, and as a result, seem to be experiencing the same symptoms of zoo animals in captivity.

 

[SexyIncél]

I would say they're maybe afraid of people questioning whether life is worth it. Whether their lives are wasted like toilet paper, wageslaving their lives into nothing, though we could automate almost all of it away. Or get to work bigtime on immortality research, some percentage of us

They're afraid to ask the real questions of life. Why they're living it, what it's worth, what they truly would be doing with their hours — if they were free

Jealousy? I don't know. But I think they're afraid of something important

 

[wait.what]

They don't envy us. People tend to hate what they don't understand, and that's even when nothing as alarming as a death wish is involved.

 

[GreenBanana23]

Maybe in a society where the life is so horrendous there's nothing better than to CTB, yes, those that CTB are envied

 

[brokeandbroken]

?

No. It's a mixture of fear and guilt. They what they don't understand and they are guilty because they know what pieces of shit they are. So they castigate it as selfish for the people who recognize how awful the general society is.

 

[ringo99]

It's fear not hate that they feel. The fear of dying is a primal one in all humans even in people like us who want to ctb. Normies can't comprehend the act because they've never been ground down by the kind of circumstances that have pushed us this far. Religion does its part to hype up the whole sin angle too. In the good ones it's mostly a misguided sense of compassion that pushes them into opposing the right to ctb.

 

[R.E.N.]

Misplaced contempt. Usually what is considered "bad" in morality tends to be that which harms the group, as developed evolutionarily. This includes the group losing a member which can be due to murder or suicide hence both being deemed bad. However, with suicide, there is more nuance than just shunning and punishing the perpetrator, however, it still happens. Deep inside, they do feel a contempt towards that "selfish" decision of suicide.

 

[theRetroHawk]

No normal people just can't comprehend it. In no way is this to sound better then anyone but normie normies biggest problems in my experience at 19 are more concerned about getting laid then anything else and have it pretty easy. Even my friends who do go through lots of hardships just never see ctb as an answer they'd just rather grin and bear it. It think it truly takes people who had enough or people with just chemical imbalances to want to ctb

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'd say it was more fear and hatred. People who commit suicide upset the status quo- that everyone just has to put up with life. I suspect the 'normies' worry that a suicide in the family or friend group will precipitate more suicides. I suspect they hate suicides and they hate sites like this because it 'sets a bad example' in their eyes. They don't want to lose more loved ones, so I suspect they hate things which they see as encouraging it.

The only people who would feel jealous I imagine would be people who feel the same deep disatisfaction in life but for whatever reason, do their best to supress it. They may feel jealous because they don't feel free. Still- while they may be acting like a 'normie'- they clearly don't believe it- so- in that way, they're not really a 'normie' to start with. (I would have thought.)

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Normal people aren't envious of the suicidal. They don't understand why someone would want to CTB. Tbh, it is abnormal to want to CTB. No other animal does that. A species wouldn't survive long otherwise.

In many ways, we have domesticated ourselves. There is evidence that the human brain is shrinking, which is something that most domesticated animals exhibit. There is also a condition called "zoochosis". As a result of boredom and lack of stimulation or enrichment, animals in zoos oversleep, overeat, and show signs of severe frustration and mental instability.

I point this out because the rate of suicide substantially increased after the Industrial Revolution (Per Durkheim). We live unnaturally, and as a result, seem to be experiencing the same symptoms of zoo animals in captivity.

There are lots of things that we do (or are capable of) that no other animal does... we are rather exceptional compared with any other sentient being on this planet. And just being sentient in itself is a pretty remarkable feat.

The fact that we know we're going to die, gives us a very unique perspective on our existence. Other animals are too pre-occupied with merely surviving another day, to even begin to contemplate their existence - assuming they even had the ability to do so. This is why if you successfully distract your self and keep busy, you can keep certain thoughts away for a while - even as a highly aware and self-conscious human. Because we are still a mammal ultimately. But many of us struggle to permanently keep such thoughts at bay.

The problem for us, is that stimulation and enrichment very often need to be artificially engineered - such as games/hobbies etc - and we are very much aware that these are artificial distractions.

If our life requires deliberately engineered distractions to keep us engaged and happy, this really brings up some very deep and difficult questions about the inherent value of our lives. I am talking about just the plain old vanilla of day-to-day survival, that most other animals gain automatic satisfaction from. Not the added stimuli of music, art, games, intellectual pursuits etc etc...

 

[Daft-Bear]

The problem for us, is that stimulation and enrichment very often need to be artificially engineered - such as games/hobbies etc - and we are very much aware that these are artificial distractions.

If our life requires deliberately engineered distractions to keep us engaged and happy, this really brings up some very deep and difficult questions about the inherent value of our lives. I am talking about just the plain old vanilla of day-to-day survival, that most other animals gain automatic satisfaction from. Not the added stimuli of music, art, games, intellectual pursuits etc etc...

"The evil was not in bread and circuses, per se, but in the willingness of the people to sell their rights as free men for full bellies and the excitement of games which would serve to distract them from the other human hungers which bread and circuses can never appease." -Cicero (2000ish years ago)

I chronically wonder if it's not that we need artificial distractions to keep us happy so much as we have simply alienated ourselves from the very things that are meaningful and give us purpose. I kind of think Marx had it right in that we have become alienated from our work, others, nature, etc. in other words we value capital over social relationships. I don't know if you've watched the show severance, but… most of my days i feel like i no longer exist while I'm at work. Total separation of the mind. When I come home, there is nothing meaningful there either so i go towards the activities that give me a dopamine hit. It's unnatural, disorienting, meaningless, and I don't feel like i have another option. People are all that matter, and year after year we become more alienated from one another.

I tend to think of this a capitalist issue, given the increase of suicides after the Industrial Revolution. Whenever people are being exploited, they sort of know it. You either fight it or distract yourself From the pain.

 

[Ambivalent1]

"The evil was not in bread and circuses, per se, but in the willingness of the people to sell their rights as free men for full bellies and the excitement of games which would serve to distract them from the other human hungers which bread and circuses can never appease." -Cicero (2000ish years ago)

I chronically wonder if it's not that we need artificial distractions to keep us happy so much as we have simply alienated ourselves from the very things that are meaningful and give us purpose. I kind of think Marx had it right in that we have become alienated from our work, others, nature, etc. in other words we value capital over social relationships. I don't know if you've watched the show severance, but… most of my days i feel like i no longer exist while I'm at work. Total separation of the mind. When I come home, there is nothing meaningful there either so i go towards the activities that give me a dopamine hit. It's unnatural, disorienting, meaningless, and I don't feel like i have another option. People are all that matter, and year after year we become more alienated from one another.

I tend to think of this a capitalist issue, given the increase of suicides after the Industrial Revolution. Whenever people are being exploited, they sort of know it. You either fight it or distract yourself From the pain.

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[ChronicPain23]

Normies hate suicide because they believe in visions of a just and beautiful world. They don't know how to see from other people's perspectives.
When I talked to normies and talked about my pro-suicide views they immediately feel their dislike for me and you become a "toxic person" to them.

 

[Daft-Bear]

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[FuneralCry]

I doubt it's really jealousy exactly but rather I believe they refuse to accept suicide as a valid option as doing so would shatter their delusions about the reality of existing here. I believe that many people fear death and feel uncomfortble with the view that death is preferable which is why they dismiss those who have awareness about how existing is just unnecessary suffering as being "ill".

And I think a lot of the anti-suicide view comes from selfishness, where people don't want those they know to leave on their own terms so as a result they support the banning of painless suicide methods, wanting to so cruelly make existence into a prison for other people. So rather than being jealous of those who have managed to leave on their own terms, I think their insensitive and harmful views towards suicide come from selfishness and delusions.

 

[Worndown]

No. Normies will be sad that life did not go better for you.

 

[ANONYMOUSM]

nope