is it has immoral to force someone to suffer when they no longer see life worth living as it is as taking someone life without their consent?

[Darkover]

To force people to die when they think that their lives are still worth living would be an undue interference with people's freedom.
To force people to suffer when they think that their lives are no longer worth living would be an undue interference with people's freedom.

it's all about the sovereignty of the individual to choose and they've taken away the right of the individauls autonomy they are interfering with that right

 

[Shaylla1998]

This is a subjective and complex ethical matter, with varying perceptions among individuals. Each person may have their own interpretation and beliefs regarding the severity of forcing someone to suffer compared to taking someone's life.
In my personal perspective, I consider forcing someone to suffer to be a more grievous act than taking someone's life without their consent. However, different people may hold different views on this matter based on their own beliefs and experiences.

Freedom, the concept that pervades this world, is but fleeting and flawed.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Yes, I don't think anyone should have authority over someone else's choice to live or die, except for certain circumstances such as if the individual in question commits a heinous crime.

If someone does not see any value in their own lives, then who is anyone else to try to tell them they are wrong? Those that do don't actually have first hand knowledge if the individual's life is worth living because they are not living it.

Interestingly enough, in the sasu chat yesterday, someone tried preaching that we have worth, even though the individuals in question don't believe so. How does one quantify someone else's worth?

 

[Eternal🌈Rainbow]

To force people to die when they think that their lives are still worth living would be an undue interference with people's freedom.
To force people to suffer when they think that their lives are no longer worth living would be an undue interference with people's freedom.

it's all about the sovereignty of the individual to choose and they've taken away the right of the individauls autonomy they are interfering with that right

This thread was started yesterday, by a different poster whose username I don't remember. I think you @Darkover , if I'm not mistaken, were the first to reply, and with this same or very similar text that you've posted now. Yesterday I replied to that thread; I talked about sovereignty, if anyone recalls it. And now I tried to find it in my profile or through the search bar and it's gone. I don't understand, what's going on? What's happened? Could this have anything to do with the attacks?

 

[Forever Sleep]

I think the problem we have is that the 'rules' aren't clearly enough defined. It isn't actually like everyone IS forced to live against their will. You are allowed to reject medical treatment. Suicide is legal in most countries now. People can choose to sign DNR (Do Not Rescitate) orders. The police that came to do my welness check let me keep my SN- despite me telling them what I may use it for in the future. So- it's not made impossible to kill yourself. It's just that it isn't made easy...

To make it easy though- certain decisions need to be made. Do you make it easy for everyone? No gatekeeping whatsoever? Does it matter then if children start CTB? If people start doing it impulsively? Realistically- I personally don't think you could just have Nembutal vending machines pop up all over the place.

I do agree with you that some people's circumstances are utterly heartbreaking to witness. How can we call ourselves a caring society and let people suffer like that- if/ when they don't want to? In those cases- it comes down to the bravery and compassion of the medical staff really. I'm sure that many people are in fact 'helped on their way' with morphine. But the doctors/ nurses are putting themselves at risk doing that. I'm guessing that is the first circumstances in which we'll start to see changes. I'm sure that assisted suicide will be introduced soon for the chronically/ terminally ill.

Still- I guess- the way I see it is that for the people who's suffering isn't immediately obvious, the DIY approach will most likely be our only way out for now. I think it's kind of unrealistic to think you could threaten to jump off a bridge and no one would try to stop you. Without harmful substances being regulated, it also seems unlikely that just anyone will be able to buy them.

Sadly- CTB takes effort and risk. Without opening up assisted suicide clinics to a much wider range of people- which of course- would be the ideal- I can't and don't see things changing when it comes to individuals choosing to take their own life.

If we agree that any adult in their right mind should have the autonomy to be able to take their own life- who can decide whether someone IS in their right mind? The general public? A police officer? Probably not. If you choose a method in which you're likely to be caught- I think it's fairly safe to say you'll be stopped and detained until a psyche evaluation can take place. I guess it comes down to whether you agree that SOME attempts are made when people are distraught/ impulsive/ not thinking clearly. In which case- how can they distinguish between a rational/ irrational attempt in that moment? Of course- my burning question is whether they ever acknowledge that a CTB attempt can be rational. I'd love to know the answer to that one- in which case- CAN they stop it? Seeing as it isn't illegal.

 

[FuneralCry]

Forcing someone to suffer against their wishes when they want to die is an absolutely disgusting and inhumane thing that should be a crime to me, as after all the right to die is a basic human right.

Without the right to die existence is no different to slavery and imprisonment, I despise this replusive anti-suicide society where people are expected to be prisoners to this existence they were burdened with until they decay and die anyway.

 

[ringo99]

IMO it depends on whether or not they're fully conscious of the decisions and consequences of their actions. But it is immoral to force someone to suffer through life against their wishes if they wish to ctb and end their suffering

 

[Sichi]

It differs from person to person, I guess. Personally, I just think that other's business is theirs and mine's mine.