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Abyssal

Abyssal

Kill me
Nov 26, 2023
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I know a lot of people here are NEETs and NEETs tend to be made fun of and treated poorly online. I have a job and am working but I found myself happier when I was jobless, so it seems there's no best outcome.

Does having a job make you any better than those without one?
 
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restless.dreams

restless.dreams

inactive (see my profile)
Feb 7, 2024
223
I don't think people with a job are inherently better than people without one. I have a job and I'm a mess lol
 
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hikikomorizombie

hikikomorizombie

Ouch
Jan 15, 2024
771
as a NEET/hikikomori, objectively, ppl w jobs are def better than me. they're able to force themselves to do smthg they h8 & don't want to do, every single day for hours, to support themselves. whereas I couldn't/can't, so i leech off others.
 
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dragonofenvy

dragonofenvy

Mage
Oct 8, 2023
550
Depends on how you're going to look at it. If your happiness is what matters, and the lack of a job is distressing, then it probably is. If you're better off without a job, then maybe you are. There is the societal expectation that everyone has a job to factor in too but fuck them.

All the jobs I worked sucked. It was food service, then a factory job, and soon I'm going back to food service. When I stopped working before starting college it was great, but I also didn't have adult responsibilities to deal with. Now I really am dreading the first day of my new job coming up, but am so bored out of my damn mind and anhedonic that I'm not sure what I'd do without it. But I need this job or I'm gonna be on the streets so I think I can objectively say that for me having no job makes me worse off.

I guess the answer isn't black and white. I will say being able to earn your own money and not rely on others is nice, but by that same token earning barely enough to survive and looking at those who are more successful than you sucks a lot and sometimes being unemployed makes you feel better because you're not dealing with your shitty dead-end job. I don't think there's a yes or no answer to your question. I think it's a yes or no depending on what day it is, where you are in life, and how you are feeling at that particular moment.
 
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Greyscale

Greyscale

Member
Sep 19, 2023
49
It depends on the person; some people need the structure a job provides to feel fulfilled, and some people don't.

Personally, since society puts such a high emphasis on having a job, I feel pretty worthless being unable to hold onto one.
 
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Doemu

Doemu

⸸ I am my own end ⸸
Feb 4, 2024
212
No, I'm not better when I have a job, than when I'm not. As telemarketer I use to change between jobs, so I use to like to use the saved money just to stay unemployed for a while.

For a while maybe can be months. Still I have been homeless, so I won't blame anyone for not having job.

I think the people that thinks is better, they are thinking that they provide to society. Well, what if we don't want to provide a society that made us want to CTB?
 
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ctb_warrior

ctb_warrior

I wish to CTB asap
Feb 11, 2024
42
Having a job is good so you can pay off your bills and not have to depend on others. I left my job due to horrible harassment at work. I just couldn't take it.
It would be easier for me to ctb if i was in a job
 
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caninecomposer

caninecomposer

Unappreciated artist
Dec 18, 2023
142
In my case, it's going to lead to my very early death (not having anybody to stay with for free), but that's the outcome I want anyway, so it's not really "bad".

However, we could easily have utopian world without money, where nobody works unless they want to pursue passions or find fulfillment. Nobody should need to have a job, and the fact that they still exist is simply a failure of humanity stemming from corruption and idiocy. If you don't want to be part of that objectively broken and scummy system, there's no good reason to.
 
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heliophobic

heliophobic

Memento Mori
Jan 29, 2024
73
Only if you have no income, I suppose. I haven't been able to hold down a full time job due to mental since my early 20s and am on SSI, which wasn't easy. But now I'm almost 43 and going through an existential crisis because I don't know what my purpose is, if I even have one. I'm not married, I never even came close to it. I haven't dated in 9 years(by choice). I have no children, but that was a conscious decision. I'm basically a recluse that stays in my apartment with my cat and my collections of music, movies, books, masks, etc and usually just hang out with my mom and her dog. Would a job change that? I doubt it. Is that the meaning my life is lacking? Who knows.
 
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fuzzy-clown

Experienced
Nov 27, 2022
227
No, I think many people would be jobless if they didn't need the money.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
8,221
Depends if you like your job. Some people would prefer to work rather than not. Maybe because they get fulfilment out of what they do. Maybe because they enjoy the money.

Depends on whether you are looking at it from the individual's perspective or, other people judging them. By the same token, is a brain surgeon 'better' than a dustman/garbage man? Both jobs are important. Both need doing. The dustman probably helps more people than the brain surgeon but, more people could do the dustman's job. What if the dustman has a Ph.D. in Neurosurgery? Are they then wasting their talent and education by not fulfilling their potential? Why? Does it matter?

Ultimately- it's not for us to judge them, although it might well bother them. In my experience, people in wage slave jobs who worked hard to get a degree in the hopes of getting a career, aren't all that happy.

I guess there is also the argument that most education systems are at least in part, publicly funded and, depending on where you live, we may also make use of other publucly funded services- healthcare, libraries, parks, emergency services. So- if we have and are taking out, should we be paying back in? Not sure... Ultimately speaking of course, we didn't choose to be born. Is it fair to bring a child into this world and expect it to work?

In terms of not working though. Some people are medically eligible not to work. For those that can- should they feel a duty to? I feel a duty to work. I was raised with a very strong work ethic. If I couldn't support myself, I don't think my parents would just abandon me but I'd be given such a guilt trip! So much so that, working any job seems more appealing to that.

That said, when I can do my prefered job ('career',) I actually enjoy my work mostly. That said, it's incredibly precarious and all or nothing. Last year, I went from working over a third of the year with no break- 7 day weeks. All long days to having over a month with no work. Which was honestly, kind of glorious. I think I would enjoy being a NEET certainly.

But, I guess I'll ask you this: How do you feel about part of your salary going towards people who could work but, choose not to? I suspect it happens... people/parents falsely claiming benefits. If it happens (and I'm sure it does,) are you happy to support another person's lifestyle choice- knowing you might actually prefer that yourself?

As an example, I went full time in my dreaded retail job to save some money to do a degree. I got chatting to one lady there who worked part time. If she worked more hours than she did, she would lose her benefits so- why would she? Seemed sensible to me. Most people hated working there. Why would you do more if you didn't have to? If you'd loose money doing that! It wasn't because she couldn't work. Clearly she could- she was! It was whatever rule there was. She was just sensible to know the rules and got out of the system whatever she could. I found it kind of ironic though. The rest of us in some way were hating every minute of our full time work their to fund her days off in effect. I suppose I can see why people do feel resentful over that.

Guess it depends really. If it's the bank of Mum and Dad solely financing someone then, that's their own business. If it's benefits though- that's money other people have earnt. Don't they have a right to question why they are funding people? Whether all those people are in fact eligible?

It comes down to I suppose- are benefit cases all genuine? By the way, I imagine an awful lot are. Or, are some people just lazy and unwilling to contribute to society but somehow, they still got approved? Is it ok to do that? Maybe but we can't all do that! So- it comes down to fairness. Why should people who also hate working. Who also find it detrimental to their health do it to support others they don't even know? Of course, the real tragedy is when people who should qualify for benefits, don't.

It's not actually the system itself I don't like. I love the idea of free healthcare. I think, being born into communities, being raised and given an education, the ideal is that we do give back. Preferably though- in something we enjoy and are good at. Plus- employers ought to treat us well. I also agree with helping people who genuinely can't work or, need extra support to do so. But- I think some people do abuse the system and honestly- no, I'm not thrilled about that! Who wants to work their arse off in a job they hate to fund someone they don't know who is just as capable or incapable as them (in some cases) to live a leisurely lifestyle?
 
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mortuarymary

mortuarymary

Enlightened
Jan 17, 2024
1,367
no, I've not worked in 8 months, health was more important x
 
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leavingthesoultrap

leavingthesoultrap

(ᴗ_ ᴗ。)
Nov 25, 2023
1,212
Having a part time job was when I was the happiest tbh
 
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monday?

monday?

negative utilitarian, toxic nihilist, coomerpilled
Jul 28, 2023
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Praestat_Mori

Mori praestat, quam haec pati!
May 21, 2023
10,171
I would consider myself being a NEET. I'm not really happy about it but becoming a min-wage-slave is also not an option for me - I wouldn't be happy that way either.

I think it's totally an individual - having a job vs being jobless - in the end we can say it with modern words: The work-life balance has to fit.
 
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ForgottenTomb

ForgottenTomb

Member
May 26, 2023
72
My time as a cleaning lady was much happier. I took it so seriously and was considered a hardworking and loyal employee. I have positive memories of mopping up empty classrooms and looking around at crafts, writing and toys and smoking on empty playgrounds in the dark in breaks. I felt like I finally had something to give to the world (my cleaning skills), which is what I always wanted. So for me it is bad to be jobless, mood-wise and for my quality of life.

For others, I do not recommend being without job or education just because once you get into that inertia of not doing anything, it gets harder to get out. And most of all even though you have all the free time in the world for momentary escapisms, most people would feel a constant apathy/hopelessness in the background of their life. However, I do not dislike people without a job or education.
 
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Dr Iron Arc

Dr Iron Arc

Into the Unknown
Feb 10, 2020
20,362
I really like my current job even though it doesn't pay well the benefits are good and it gets me out of the house and slightly more in shape. That said, I miss being able to just sit around and watch tv shows or play games all day like I did in my old "job" where all I did was stay at home and watch over my severely special needs sister and receive free money from the government as a result. It was far from ideal since I wasn't allowed to go anywhere and it wasn't enough money to buy anything much beyond food and gas but I guess I know well there's pros and cons to either lifestyle. I don't consider being a NEET or otherwise unemployed to be shameful because ideally it would be my dream job if it paid more and involved no actual work on my part.
 
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dinosavr

dinosavr

and if i’m turning blue please don’t save me 🌛
Dec 14, 2023
653
Depends on how much you value being independent and how much of the independence your job actually provides you.
I guess, if you live with your parents, it doesn't make much of a difference whether you work or not, if they are financially able to support you. And even if they do, it matters how much you're okay with the fact that you can't afford to buy yourself food, and that you will probably always feel like you owe them something.
 
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WiltedGirl

WiltedGirl

Member
Jan 9, 2024
11
I have hatred every single job I have had. I can't stand it. I lost 4 years of my life to truck driving. If you don't work then people will instinctually hate you, though, and you need a job to not have to be around people.
 
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Aim

Aim

🤍
Sep 12, 2023
945
If you choose to not work because you are lazy or because you hate the world, then I would have to say yess. Because no matter how one wants to twist and turn it. We need money to survive. And its one of the many responsibilities that comes with being an adult. But if you can't work because of mental health issous or depression, Which is an illness. Then absolutely no. At least that's how I see it.
 
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LaVieEnRose

LaVieEnRose

Angelic
Jul 23, 2022
4,069
Yes. Especially if it renders you dependent on poisonous people....
 
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logi3535

logi3535

even in death, may you be triumphant
Jan 8, 2024
115
i think it just depends on the individual and the situation, some people love to work not even just for the money or a hobby and i can understand that, but then there's other people who just can't bring themselves to get up out of bed everyday and clock in somewhere they don't really wanna be, i don't think it makes you a bad person, maybe a little lazy but who said we all had to be putting in 110% effort every day?

me personally, when i was in school, i hated it, and i still do, then i got a job, and i hated it, some people love to work, and some people don't, i think it's as simple as that, i don't that in any way makes you bad
 
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Terry A. Davis

Terry A. Davis

Member
Aug 28, 2023
61
Society views it as bad but I don't. I need a job personally but there are times where I understand I am enslaved and making fun of someone for not being a slave is a really funny idea to me.
 
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Raven2

Raven2

Specialist
Dec 1, 2022
325
I work to pay the bills, is it enjoyable?
No, but its bearable and needs must.
I wouldnt have anything else to do with my time if i didnt work. Boredom would set in and i think my mental health would also decline if i were to not work.
 
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roku6

roku6

Student
Jan 23, 2024
107
My job gave meaning to my life. Sadly when I drifted into depression I lost that drive and the job became an unbearable burden.
 
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TheSpookyNameGuy

TheSpookyNameGuy

There's nothing here..
Apr 30, 2023
646
I personally feel better working low stress jobs, it prevents me getting utterly low plus the cash help reduce stress, say you need a dentist, hard if you've got nothing.

I couldn't work a 9-5 indoors though, my work is outside
 
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Ironborn

Ironborn

Experienced
Jan 29, 2024
207
Been in work almost twenty years, quit two months ago because of burnout when I really should have taken a break years ago.
Last few years bounced between driving jobs but never really liked it. I like driving just hate the jobs that go with it.
Hard to change careers here in the UK because everything and I mean everything requires a load of different licences, certificates or qualifications just for a level entry role.
Just going to use some of my savings now and maybe try to ctb again in the future.
Hate paying tax as well lol.
 
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Grumble

Lingering
Aug 25, 2018
178
I used to work but am now on disability due to terrible mental health. I've been through a lot of treatments but never managed to stop that downward spiral. I have no comprehension of what it is to experience life without a crippling level of anxiety and depression. I feel like I'm viewed as a lost cause at this point.

I had a lot to offer others. I think I could have gone pretty far in life, if only I was able to push past my anxiety and depression. I guess I just wasn't cut out for the world we live in?

My joblessness is bad for me in the sense that I feel unproductive and like a drain on others. That's probably me being unfair to myself, however.

Most people would look down upon me, no doubt. Some of them would ridicule me and make sure I hear how much they hate me. Whether they are better than me, it depends on one's perspective, so there is no straight answer.

For me, I think it's a sorry thing that people are measured primarily on whether they work and how much wealth they can accumulate. I don't feel like they're better than me, but I kind of pity them in the sense that most of them are struggling too, even if they don't consciously know it. Like, it really must suck for anyone who's still actually trying to make a life for themselves. I've personally surrendered in life, I have no offspring, and I have no stake in the future. I think, in a way, it makes it more bearable to watch our world's decline.

So if someone needs to ridicule me, they can go ahead. Yeah, it sucks to be me. But it sucks to be them, too.
 
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Gonnerr

Enlightened
Mar 12, 2023
1,322
Yes its bad , after my operation , i was getting better and got back to work , but got laid off because of bad economy.

I got an interview wednesday, even if i got the job , i need to ctb soon to avoid further suffering.

Im in the worst category for suicide , alone male between 40 and 59.

I know if i live many years , i will regret it to have not ctb when it was time.
 
sserafim

sserafim

brighter than the sun, that’s just me
Sep 13, 2023
8,857
Personally I'm a NEET and I hate the expectation that I have to get a job and have a career. My parents view me as a failure because I've become a hiki after college, and they keep pestering me to get a job, but I honestly enjoy this lifestyle. I have Asperger's and I don't fit into the world/society anyways, so why should I even try? I'd rather just do my own thing on my own terms. I don't want to have to have a job and work to earn a living just to survive, I have extreme fear and anxiety over this. I feel like having a job would take away my freedom and autonomy, and instead chain me to work. My parents think that I haven't lived up to my full potential, but the fact is that I don't want to. I don't want to become a "productive member of society". Society wasn't built or meant for me anyways, and likewise.
 
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