Discussion Is Human Species dependent on Martyrdom?

[Roy King]

Being suffering so common it's logic to ask if it isn't on purpose!

The idea that people simple had bad luck is becoming less and less credible, it makes much more sense that in order to our Species do it well its Organisms had to do it badly!

For instance, Sexuality is many times associated to Diversity, nevertheless everyone shares the same ideal, a contradiction with the idea of Diversity.

On the other hand, if Diversity is exactly what Human Species doesn't want thing start to make a lot more sense. We can even go further and ask if at the eyes of our Species Diversity is even seen as garbage to the point of promoting its Martyrdom.

Interestingly, the scientist Alexey Kondrashov argues exactly that, saying "The fact that we haven't gone extinct suggests that over the long term, we have some way of taking out our genetic garbage".

He goes on arguing that Meiosis and its Crossing-over exists exactly to encapsulate genetic garbage on individuals in order to disposable them as biological waste, all in favor of an healthy Human Species. The full article may be found here (http://desispeaks.com/alexey-kondrashov/)

If this is the way things really work, Suicide is the consequent Martyrdom that Human Species depends on in order to survive. This means that Humans are split in two groups, those who are prone to be praised and those who are destined to suffer as intended to be.

 

[Johnnythefox]

Synopsis on suicidal ideation.

It becomes ever more apparent that the proclivity for suicidal ideation has been somewhat misconceived by the established consensus that the act itself is inherently selfish.
It can be said that the deleterious gesture is comparatively reminiscent of the great martyrs of religious doctrines in keeping with the overall nature of the act itself.
If one is to argue otherwise, then it would be foolish and impolitic to do so. When observed from the view point of the individual partaking in such an act it becomes perspicuous to be an important if not vital element in the overall evolution of the species.

Charlton Andover OBE, FBA, FRSE, FMedSci

 

[Redt2go]

Wow interesting. While I do think of myself as human garbage I don't think everyone on this site is and I don't think some of the people who ctbd were either

 

[Redt2go]

Although I do have similar thinking as I don't want to pass down these depression genes

 

[Roy King]

Although I do have similar thinking as I don't want to pass down these depression genes

The point is about what the Human Species wants and not what people want. The individual Will is deceiving when compared to the Human Species Will where the former may not count for fundamental questions like life and death!

You may feel that you are making a decision but probably you are just following a biological script.

"The sexual impulse is an instinct, and like most instincts, it represents the will of the species, which creates the delusion in individuals that they are seeking their own good when in fact they are seeking the good of the species (the continued existences of individuals of its kind)" - Historical Dictionary of Schopenhauer's Philosophy By David E. Cartwright

 

[Redt2go]

The point is about what the Human Species wants and not what people want. The individual Will is deceiving when compared to the Human Species Will where the former may not count for fundamental questions like life and death!

"The sexual impulse is an instinct, and like most instincts, it represents the will of the species, which creates the delusion in individuals that they are seeking their own good when in fact they are seeking the good of the species (the continued existences of individuals of its kind)" - Historical Dictionary of Schopenhauer's Philosophy By David E. Cartwright

That makes sense. Well since depression stifles my sex drive and ability to maintain friendships , I'd say the human species doesn't want depression either.

 

[Roy King]

That makes sense. Well since depression stifles my sex drive and ability to maintain friendships , I'd say the human species doesn't want depression either.

Depression is the result of a Script that some people fails to follow! Frustration to comply can only result in Depression and its victims are seen at the Species eyes no more than collateral damage! Not surprisingly the main reasons for depression are Sexually linked.

Individuals as cannon fodder is the essence of a biological Script, existing ultimately as an army of their biological leader, the Human Species.

 

[Redt2go]

Depression is the result of a Script that some people fails to follow! Frustration to comply can only result in Depression and its victims are seen at the Species eyes no more than collateral damage! Not surprisingly the main reasons for depression are Sexually linked.

Individuals as cannon fodder is the essence of a biological Script, existing ultimately as an army of their biological leader, the Human Species.

You're language is pretty dehumanizing to everyone in the world. Feels a bit intense and cultish. But hey to each their own I guess

 

[Roy King]

You're language is pretty dehumanizing to everyone in the world. Feels a bit intense and cultish. But hey to each their own I guess

On the other hand it can be seen as optimist, if the main reason for suffering comes from our biological blueprint and its conformity with the Species Standard, things like Gene Editing, Gene Screening and Artificial Fertilization may well be real solutions.

This type of approach is already happening, one example is Gene sequencing for Bangladeshi and Pakistani groups, here and here.

Humans have been extremely successful in eradicating contagious diseases like Smallpox, however when it comes to Inherited ones people are still delusional with the Diversity kind of talk that classifies illness as something different simple to feel better about it. But there is the catch, no problem seen no solution found.

The bottom line is, Civilization have found solutions to deal with Natural Selection from very early (Ex.: Clothing and Housing), however, when it comes to Sexual Selection everything is still on square one, being so people remain treated as garbage due to no technical alternatives yet!

 

[Johnnythefox]

The oft neglected certitude that Homo sapiens are comprised merely of nuclear waste is well recognised in the field of astrophysics. It can be reasoned that an imbalance of any of the following elements
oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, calcium, and phosphorus, at the molecular level could be contributory in the behaviour
of the suicidal individual.

Charlton Andover OBE, FBA, FRSE, FMedSci

 

[Redt2go]

On the other hand it can be seen as optimist, if the main reason for suffering comes from our biological blueprint and its conformity with the Species Standard, things like Gene Editing, Gene Screening and Artificial Fertilization may well be real solutions.

This type of approach is already happening, one example is Gene sequencing for Bangladeshi and Pakistani groups, here and here.

Humans have been extremely successful in eradicating contagious diseases like Smallpox, however when it comes to Inherited ones people are still delusional with the Diversity kind of talk that classifies illness as something different simple to feel better about it. But there is the catch, no problem seen no solution found.

The bottom line is, Civilization have found solutions to deal with Natural Selection from very early (Ex.: Clothing and Housing), however, when it comes to Sexual Selection everything is still on square one, being so people remain treated as garbage due to no technical alternatives yet!

Sounds like eugenics.

 

[I am ___________]

On the other hand it can be seen as optimist, if the main reason for suffering comes from our biological blueprint and its conformity with the Species Standard, things like Gene Editing, Gene Screening and Artificial Fertilization may well be real solutions.

This type of approach is already happening, one example is Gene sequencing for Bangladeshi and Pakistani groups, here and here.

Humans have been extremely successful in eradicating contagious diseases like Smallpox, however when it comes to Inherited ones people are still delusional with the Diversity kind of talk that classifies illness as something different simple to feel better about it. But there is the catch, no problem seen no solution found.

The bottom line is, Civilization have found solutions to deal with Natural Selection from very early (Ex.: Clothing and Housing), however, when it comes to Sexual Selection everything is still on square one, being so people remain treated as garbage due to no technical alternatives yet!

Depression is not a genetic trait, it is reaction to certain stimuli, for example the environment or other factors. Depression is a emotion, that is what "experts" fail to acknowledge, I have personally tried their magic pills that cure depression, and they have not worked. What they have done is made me suffer more through side effects. Modern medicine does not seek to cure, it seeks to "treat" symptoms and cause more. That is how the pharmaceutical and health companies make their money, the suffering of others. In all honesty with the way "humanity" is doing things, they will eventually wipe themselves out. There is no " will of humanity ", only of the individual. People who have had enough bs and have gone through with suicide prove this, individual will is greater then that of conformity/collective thought. For example, it is a instinct to procreate, however some have conquered this instinct and refuse to bring another life into this bleak hell.

 

[I am ___________]

In all honesty I don't give a shit about humanity, it is my very own will that I want to off myself.

 

[Redt2go]

Depression is not a genetic trait, it is reaction to certain stimuli, for example the environment or other factors. Depression is a emotion, that is what "experts" fail to acknowledge, I have personally tried their magic pills that cure depression, and they have not worked. What they have done is made me suffer more through side effects. Modern medicine does not seek to cure, it seeks to "treat" symptoms and cause more. That is how the pharmaceutical and health companies make their money, the suffering of others. In all honesty with the way "humanity" is doing things, they will eventually wipe themselves out. There is no " will of humanity ", only of the individual. People who have had enough bs and have gone through with suicide prove this, individual will is greater then that of conformity/collective thought. For example, it is a instinct to procreate, however some have conquered this instinct and refuse to bring another life into this bleak hell.

Depression is both genetic and environmental. It is definitely not an emotion. It's a disease that brings a whirlwind of emotions and sometimes no emotions at all

 

[I am ___________]

Depression is both genetic and environmental. It is definitely not an emotion. It's a disease that brings a whirlwind of emotions and sometimes no emotions at all

Prove to me it is genetic. Depression is not a disease, that is just a medical term used to describe something that is seen as not "normal" by society and it's standards. Depression is as normal as crying, it is a feeling of melancholy and hopelessness. Society tries to hide and label all what they call abnormalities or unwanted characteristics as a disease or not normal. Instead of truly trying to fix the problem at it's root, we run away from it and try to convince ourselves it must be something else. Indeed, humans are cowards, they fear the unknown and shelter themselves from it.

 

[Redt2go]

Prove to me it is genetic. Depression is not a disease, that is just a medical term used to describe something that is seen as not "normal" by society and it's standards. Depression is as normal as crying, it is a feeling of melancholy and hopelessness. Society tries to hide and label all what they call abnormalities or unwanted characteristics as a disease or not normal. Instead of truly trying to fix the problem at it's root, we run away from it and try to convince ourselves it must be something else. Indeed, humans are cowards, they fear the unknown and shelter themselves from it.

Honestly with the availability of knowledge and the fact that you have access to the internet, I shouldn't have to prove anything to you... You sound like those people who say global warming isn't real because it's cold outside. You sound like you use essential oils rather than vaccinate your kids because you think the government wants to give them autism. You also sound likel youve never been dysfunctionally depressed to think depression is normal. heres a link though... If this doesn't "prove" it to you then theres also Khan academy videos and books, formal education? Idk Sorry

https://www.nhs.uk/news/genetics-and-stem-cells/genetic-link-for-depression-found/

 

[I am ___________]

Why the fuck are you even on here, does it please you to look down upon people who are depressed? I can sense it in your tone, you have a superiority complex. Glad I'll be gone soon, you and humanity can go fuck yourselves. In the end your pointless struggles will be all for naught.

 

[Redt2go]

Why the fuck are you even on here, does it please you to look down upon people who are depressed? I can sense it in your tone, you have a superiority complex. Glad I'll be gone soon, you and humanity can go fuck yourselves. In the end your pointless struggles will be all for naught.

I'm on here because I'm severely depressed. So depressed that I haven't left my bed in like 10 days except to piss. And yeah I can be a bit narcissistic at times but you were being ignorant to say that depression is just melancholy and sadness. You needed to know how ignorant and dismissive you were being to those with depression. Although I am sorry I didn't have enough self control to put it in a kinder way and that people like me make you want to kill yourself. I do agree with the last sentence though. None of these problems nor this conversation will matter in 20 or 100 years . There are nice people on this forum though. I hope you meet them and they give you some compassion. I'm just incapable sorry!

 

[Roy King]

Sounds like eugenics.

Sounds like what SEX really is...

 

[waived]

@Roy King

I found most of your post illegible probably because of a language barrier. Despite this I think I understand what you're saying but could you condense what you're saying into a point or two before I disagree with it?

 

[Othermind]

Being suffering so common it's logic to ask if it isn't on purpose!

The idea that people simple had bad luck is becoming less and less credible, it makes much more sense that in order to our Species do it well its Organisms had to do it badly!

For instance, Sexuality is many times associated to Diversity, nevertheless everyone shares the same ideal, a contradiction with the idea of Diversity.

On the other hand, if Diversity is exactly what Human Species doesn't want thing start to make a lot more sense. We can even go further and ask if at the eyes of our Species Diversity is even seen as garbage to the point of promoting its Martyrdom.

Interestingly, the scientist Alexey Kondrashov argues exactly that, saying "The fact that we haven't gone extinct suggests that over the long term, we have some way of taking out our genetic garbage".

He goes on arguing that Meiosis and its Crossing-over exists exactly to encapsulate genetic garbage on individuals in order to disposable them as biological waste, all in favor of an healthy Human Species. The full article may be found here (http://desispeaks.com/alexey-kondrashov/)

If this is the way things really work, Suicide is the consequent Martyrdom that Human Species depends on in order to survive. This means that Humans are split in two groups, those who are prone to be praised and those who are destined to suffer as intended to be.

I'm not sure I get the gist of this eugenicsy ramble but...
You're suggesting that humans, as a species, have evolved an evolutionary strategy to breed out undesirable traits that involves the tiniest fraction of the population willingly kill themselves, sometimes AFTER they've procreated which is what they were not supposed to do in the first place? This is complete gibberish.

 

[bigj75]

You're language is pretty dehumanizing to everyone in the world. Feels a bit intense and cultish. But hey to each their own I guess

OP sounds like an alien. Lol

 

[bigj75]

Alright let me shut this s*** down. Lol

Everything is about survival. There is a proper way to live that increases your survival. The twist is that people aren't the same. What increases one person's survival may not increase another. So you as an indicidual have the unique need to increase survival your own way. There are no absolute truths but there are general truths that we all share as humans. At the end of the day survival is key. Everything relates to it.

 

[ctrl_alt_delete]

Human species appears to be heavily dependent on lies, gullibility, bigotry, contempt, greed, money, drugs and, oddly enough, cats.

 

[bigj75]

Human species appears to be heavily dependent on lies, gullibility, bigotry, contempt, greed, money, drugs and, oddly enough, cats.

Lol that's because humans don't fully grasp the result of their actions. They think good and bad is black and white. People dont understand that the smallest of sins lead to the big ones.

For example they think as long as they aren't as bad as a serial killer that all the shit they do is ok.

 

[bigj75]

This is a good thread. It's just that i think op rubbed people the wrong way with his delivery.

I'm unsure what the hell this reality is but all i know is pain and peace. I do everything I can to gain peace but it has failed so im stuck in pain and i want out.

 

[Roy King]

@Roy King

I found most of your post illegible probably because of a language barrier. Despite this I think I understand what you're saying but could you condense what you're saying into a point or two before I disagree with it?

Maybe you need some data to be able to escape the BECAUSE SOCIETY narrative!

Let's see how many years things do exist:

• Planet Earth: 4 500 000 000 years
• Sex: 2 000 000 000 years
• Human Species: 200 000 years
• Western Society: 2 000 years

All talks I see can't escape the Society this the Society that kind of argument. People are stuck in a SOCIETY BOX kind of thinking!

My point is very simple and is all about LAYERS of existence. Human Species exists in a DIFFERENT LAYER than individuals (organisms) do. Then comes another concept, INTERFACE, this is what connects different LAYERS of existence. In our case SEX is the INTERFACE between Human Species and Individuals, but because there is an HIERARCHY of power, SEX is meant to preserve the Survival of the Species not the one of the Individual.

Species are real Entities with thousands of millions years that control their organisms trough Sexuality. Individuals are meant to be disposable in this crude model of existence that only Science may be capable to disrupt... Individuals are meant to be disposable because is the only way Species have to discharge genetic waste (Entropy)! So, in conclusion, Species are dependent on Martyrdom!

"Claridge and I agree that the entities we call species are real biological units.(...)

Let's consider the two-part question introduced above: (1) Are species real? (2) Are species uniquely real? All working biologists today think that the answer to the first question is yes: species are real entities in some sense (although the grouping criterion considered to be the basis for their reality varies as described above). The current debate concentrates on the second question: whether or not species are a special level either in biological organization or in the taxonomic hierarchy. In other words, is there a unique ranking criterion for species? The two possible answers to this question can be contrasted as the Darwinian view vs. the Mayrian view." - Species Are Not Uniquely Real Biological Entities, Brent D. Mishler

 

[Roy King]

More data to support the idea of Suicide linked to Sex!