Discussion Is full suspension hanging painless?

[Menschenmühle]

I've seen many people who prefer partial suspension to full suspension, their reason being that full is more painful as it involves choking. But from what I understand full suspension creates oxygen deprivation to the brain which leads to quick unconsciousness. There are people who tried full and claim that it was very agonizing while others claim the complete opposite. I just don't understand, how can their experiences be so different, when the process is practically the same?

 

[Nephis]

From my understanding most people I knew that wanted to do it, simply wanted to do it from a high height so that when they reached the end of the rope it would snap their neck, thus ending in a rather quick death, whether or not it is painless I don't know however I imagine it would be quick since when you do snap your neck it should be instant unconsciousness.

I'm not too much of an expert however to speak on the topic so please do some research in the megathread.

 

[Menschenmühle]

From my understanding most people I knew that wanted to do it, simply wanted to do it from a high height so that when they reached the end of the rope it would snap their neck, thus ending in a rather quick death, whether or not it is painless I don't know however I imagine it would be quick since when you do snap your neck it should be instance unconsciousness.

I'm not too much of an expert however to speak on the topic so please do some research in the megathread.

yeah that's called long drop hanging, it's usually used in capital punishments. However, the mechanism differs from full suspension

 

[Nephis]

yeah that's called long drop hanging, it's usually used in capital punishments. However, the mechanism differs from full suspension

I'm not sure then, I've only personally done a variation of partial, and that didn't work out to well

 

[Victim.Of.Life]

I've been having full suspension on my mind for a while.
I've tried once.
I've tried getting off the chair, but 70kg of weight hanging from my neck did hurt a lot, so I quit.

I'm using a 10,5mm rope. I would rather have a thicker rope, but 10,5mm was the thickest i could get my hands on.
I will probably try again this weekend. My plan is to get drunk and just kick the chair.

But from my experience, yes it hurts a bit. A thicker rope will hurt less, but from what i've read, this forum advices against thick ropes.

 

[Menschenmühle]

I've been having full suspension on my mind for a while.
I've tried once.
I've tried getting off the chair, but 70kg of weight hanging from my neck did hurt a lot, so I quit.

I'm using a 10,5mm rope. I would rather have a thicker rope, but 10,5mm was the thickest i could get my hands on.
I will probably try again this weekend. My plan is to get drunk and just kick the chair.

But from my experience, yes it hurts a bit. A thicker rope will hurt less, but from what i've read, this forum advices against thick ropes.

Why do they advise against thicker ropes?

 

[Victim.Of.Life]

Why do they advise against thicker ropes?

I need to read the megathread again before i commit.
But if I remember correctly:
Thick ropes for hanging are mainly used for judicial hangings, because the rope must not snap when a person is being dropped.
But for ctb it lowers the efficiency because the thicker the rope, the harder it is to compress the carotid arteries.

Someone should verify this though.
Ive read all 132 pages, but mostly while drunk.

 

[sayire]

In short I would say full suspension hanging is NOT painless. little more complete answer below.

I highly recommend reading megathread. below is my understanding and personal opinion

partial hanging
-- promise of peaceful exit if goal is achieved.
-- goal is to cutoff blood supply going to brain and not cutoff blood supply coming out of brain or air to breathe.
-- this method has some moving parts and so is difficult to achieve the goal fully.
-- suffocation is horrible and SI is uncontrollable.
-- when blood flow from brain is cutoff, head will feel like it is going to explode. SI kicks in strong.
-- when blood flow to brain is cut-off it actually feels nice. might even be euphoric like the light at the end of dark tunnel way
-- reliability is lower than full but I feel has manageable SI.
-- some lucky necks compress artery to brain easily first
-- with practice achieving the goal becomes better
-- for me thinner ~10mm worked better to find my spot. but I could not find it consistently.
-- net net I feel I can use this method as one option for my exit
-- good reliability for folks who find their artery to brain easily enough.

full suspension has two ways. short drop and long drop.

short drop
-- exit is by suffocation and/or blood cutoff to/from brain.
-- cannot control which of the above method causes exit. so can be peaceful or extremely painful.
-- but reliable if nothing snaps or slips and nothing near by to pull oneself up (rope itself does not count) and not "saved" in time
-- I feel ~10mm strong rope will do a fine job for this method. slight padding can help.
-- rope and structure at the very minimum should support 3x the weight of person
-- too thin rope is painful. thin wire can really dig in and be extremely painful.
-- too thick rope can not compress enough to get the job done or make it too long than needed.
-- not exactly sure what I would consider too thick. 20mm for sure. maybe even 15mm?
-- too much padding same effect as thick rope
-- finding a location can be difficult
-- for folks who can find the location and with situation dire enough to overcome SI this method can work
-- good reliability

long drop
-- goal is to snap the neck to achieve instant unconsciousness. exit after being unconscious is like short drop.
-- the rope needs to have large tensile strength to support say >10x the weight of the person
-- the amount of drop and rope width needs to be chosen carefully to not decapitate
-- finding a location can be tricky
-- high reliability

 

[Pidgeons_Sparrows]

I've seen many people who prefer partial suspension to full suspension, their reason being that full is more painful as it involves choking. But from what I understand full suspension creates oxygen deprivation to the brain which leads to quick unconsciousness. There are people who tried full and claim that it was very agonizing while others claim the complete opposite. I just don't understand, how can their experiences be so different, when the process is practically the same?

full suspension causes a lot of unnecessary stress on your neck, way more than you need to compress your carotids

its just unnecessary
your windpipe gets compressed and its very uncomfortable
full suspensions main ""advantage"" is that theres no backing out once its done
also full suspension requires a very sturdy ligature and anchor point.
tldr it sucks

In short I would say full suspension hanging is NOT painless. little more complete answer below.

I highly recommend reading megathread. below is my understanding and personal opinion

partial hanging
-- promise of peaceful exit if goal is achieved.
-- goal is to cutoff blood supply going to brain and not cutoff blood supply coming out of brain or air to breathe.
-- this method has some moving parts and so is difficult to achieve the goal fully.
-- suffocation is horrible and SI is uncontrollable.
-- when blood flow from brain is cutoff, head will feel like it is going to explode. SI kicks in strong.
-- when blood flow to brain is cut-off it actually feels nice. might even be euphoric like the light at the end of dark tunnel way
-- reliability is lower than full but I feel has manageable SI.
-- some lucky necks compress artery to brain first
-- with practice achieving the goal becomes better
-- for me thinner ~10mm worked better to find my spot. but I could not find it consistently.
-- net net I feel I can use this method as one option for my exit

full suspension has two ways. short drop and long drop.

short drop
-- exit is by suffocation and/or blood cutoff to/from brain.
-- cannot control which of the above method causes exit. so can be peaceful or extremely painful.
-- but reliable if nothing snaps or slips and nothing near by to pull oneself up (rope itself does not count) and not "saved" in time
-- I feel ~10mm strong rope will do a fine job for this method. slight padding can help.
-- rope and structure at the very minimum should support 3x the weight of person
-- too thin rope is painful. thin wire can really dig in and be extremely painful.
-- too thick rope can not compress enough to get the job done or make it too long than needed.
-- not exactly sure what I would consider too thick. 20mm for sure. maybe even 15mm?
-- too much padding same effect as thick rope
-- finding a location can be difficult
-- for folks who can find the location and with situation dire enough to overcome SI this method can work

long drop
-- goal is to snap the neck to achieve instant unconsciousness. exit after being unconscious is like short drop.
-- the rope needs to have large tensile strength to support say >10x the weight of the person
-- the amount of drop and rope width needs to be chosen carefully to not decapitate
-- finding a location can be tricky
-- high reliability

this is what i always struggled with. from what i understand, your jugular veins transport blood away from the brain, the carotids do blood towards the brain. ive read the jugular veins need less force than carotids to compress, so how do you even compress your carotids without compressing the jugulars? dont you have a carotid and jugular on both sides of the neck, or where do you place the ligature?

 

[Menschenmühle]

full suspension causes a lot of unnecessary stress on your neck, way more than you need to compress your carotids

its just unnecessary
your windpipe gets compressed and its very uncomfortable
full suspensions main ""advantage"" is that theres no backing out once its done
also full suspension requires a very sturdy ligature and anchor point.
tldr it sucks

this is what i always struggled with. from what i understand, your jugular veins transport blood away from the brain, the carotids do blood towards the brain. ive read the jugular veins need less force than carotids to compress, so how do you even compress your carotids without compressing the jugulars? dont you have a carotid and jugular on both sides of the neck, or where do you place the ligature?

Whether it sucks or not, it's my only option, and I won't back down. But damn this world that brings us forth into this hell and then offer us no peace even in our pursuit of death.

 

[sayire]

this is what i always struggled with. from what i understand, your jugular veins transport blood away from the brain, the carotids do blood towards the brain. ive read the jugular veins need less force than carotids to compress, so how do you even compress your carotids without compressing the jugulars? dont you have a carotid and jugular on both sides of the neck, or where do you place the ligature?

above is generally true. but again everyone has their spot (actually for some it is basically impossible to compress carotid first). I could find my spot after I used a thinner rope and with bit if search. But I cant do the same exact thing and find it in an instant. I have to search for it again. so I am not sure if when time comes I can actually succeed to get past my SI. but when one does find it, it is a nice feeling. one can then understand why folks use that in !@# acts.

 

[Victim.Of.Life]

I'll probably try full with the knot in the front.
It's a bit less painfull and you can still breathe.

 

[Pidgeons_Sparrows]

above is generally true. but again everyone has their spot (actually for some it is basically impossible to compress carotid first). I could find my spot after I used a thinner rope and with bit if search. But I cant do the same exact thing and find it in an instant. I have to search for it again. so I am not sure if when time comes I can actually succeed to get past my SI. but when one does find it, it is a nice feeling. one can then understand why folks use that in !@# acts.

any tips on trying to find the sweet spot?

 

[sayire]

any tips on trying to find the sweet spot?

as I initially was into full suspension, I had this idea into me that rope needs to be closer to the jaw. when I tried partial practice, I was using my hands to tighten the rope, for a long time I was trying up on the neck with padding and thickish rope, closer to jaw. after many attempts I started trying towards lower potion of the neck. when I tried lower portion of the neck with thinner and no padding, I was much more successful there after I moved the rope around to get more pressure on one side more than other.

What worries me is I think the rope will slip up when I have to actually anchor to something. So I had to think of a position that was more leaning toward one side, like sleeping on the side with say 20 degree'ish angle if I had to stay in that sweet spot for long.

I have heard many folks say they were successful in upper neck area.

happy fishing!

 

[Pidgeons_Sparrows]

as I initially was into full suspension, I had this idea into me that rope needs to be closer to the jaw. when I tried partial practice, I was using my hands to tighten the rope, for a long time I was trying up on the neck with padding and thickish rope, closer to jaw. after many attempts I started trying towards lower potion of the neck. when I tried lower portion of the neck with thinner and no padding, I was much more successful there after I moved the rope around to get more pressure on one side more than other. In part that worries me as I think the rope will slip up when I have to actually anchor to something. I have heard many folks say they were successful in upper neck area.

happy fishing!

thanx

 

[MiraiShisen]

as I initially was into full suspension, I had this idea into me that rope needs to be closer to the jaw. when I tried partial practice, I was using my hands to tighten the rope, for a long time I was trying up on the neck with padding and thickish rope, closer to jaw. after many attempts I started trying towards lower potion of the neck. when I tried lower portion of the neck with thinner and no padding, I was much more successful there after I moved the rope around to get more pressure on one side more than other.

What worries me is I think the rope will slip up when I have to actually anchor to something. So I had to think of a position that was more leaning toward one side, like sleeping on the side with say 20 degree'ish angle if I had to stay in that sweet spot for long.

I have heard many folks say they were successful in upper neck area.

happy fishing!

When I was looking for my sweet spot I have found place between bottom of neck and adams apple, But when I was reading more about this I have found that most of the people recommend upper part of neck above adams apple, So I started to trying upper part as close to jaw as possible and it works too and I think it is easier for me now find that spot in this area than in bottom one. Another advantage is that as you said rope can slip up and it can be problem.

I think pain will be same no matter if you put rope in the bottom area or upper, you can try hyperventilation before and trying to pass out, or maybe slowly push your neck against noose but controling your pressure by standing on little chair and when you black out your body will lose strenght in legs and it will start apply full pressure but you will be uncouscious.

Full suspension is more reliable than any other strangulation method, either its tourniquet, partial or night-night you just can not go back intentionally or unintentionally from it by your decision or by accident.

 

[chahan.trading]

any form of suicide is painful.

aside from, as a popular belief, exit bag + helium.