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Tired of existing

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Nov 28, 2020
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It's getting cold around here where I live and I just realized every winter people end up dead in the cold.
Sometimes heavy drinkers pass out late night on the way home from bars and parties.
Or guys get lost in the mountains on a trip when a snow storms suddenly hits, their bodies not being found before spring time.

Can a freezing-cold temperature enviroment be usefull for a peacefull ctb?
I mean, if you get really really drunk, you almost don't feel the cold anyway.
Add some sleeping pills, remove your clothes and death is pretty much certain.
The human body can't sustain being exposed to temperatures below 0° , 32 °F (US) unprotected for long.

It is even said people experience an awkward feeling of "heat" and joy before they fell sleepy and drift away.
Is that a reasonable option for a peacefull ctb, maybe alone on a beautiful hill or mountain top?
 
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Kat!

Elementalist
Sep 30, 2020
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If you do the steps you talked about, yeah, it's a very slim chance you will feel pain.
The only times I know people have felt it are when they AREN'T drunk.
It is pretty peaceful.
The first steps are when your body starts to get tired, you feel hot, and then everything burns, mostly on your smaller appendages like hands, fingers, toes, etc. Then I hear you become overwhelmed by a warmer sensation as your body shuts down, rather than hot. It will hurt depending on how cold it is, for quite some time, but the end of it is peaceful.
A detailed look into a few of these cold-related deaths happen in the novel, "Into Thin Air", about a disaster during a trek up mount everest.
 
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исчезающий

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Aug 24, 2020
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It's getting cold around here where I live and I just realized every winter people end up dead in the cold.
Sometimes heavy drinkers pass out late night on the way home from bars and parties.
Or guys get lost in the mountains on a trip when a snow storms suddenly hits, their bodies not being found before spring time.

Can a freezing-cold temperature enviroment be usefull for a peacefull ctb?
I mean, if you get really really drunk, you almost don't feel the cold anyway.
Add some sleeping pills, remove your clothes and death is pretty much certain.
The human body can't sustain being exposed to temperatures below 0° , 32 °F (US) unprotected for long.

It is even said people experience an awkward feeling of "heat" and joy before they fell sleepy and drift away.
Is that a reasonable option for a peacefull ctb, maybe alone on a beautiful hill or mountain top?
It may even be a peaceful way of dying, however, according to my research, dying from the cold can be very painful.

From what I researched to die of cold would be like you enter a state of decay still alive

(maybe I'm wrong)
 
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mikenoir

To cheer upon death: to see life as more beautiful
Nov 3, 2020
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I don't know about "peaceful".
Probably will die.
Now, to be fair, as drunk as one may be... you won't feel like you're freezing?
And, sleeping pills, how many will you take? What kind? How long do they take? Side effects? Etc.
Will you adventure out being already drunk? How far is the spot? Will you be drunk, trip and break your leg?


There's more to plan.

But the cold will kill you. Even if you trip and break your leg before you're even on the mountain.
 
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Tired of existing

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Nov 28, 2020
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I don't know about "peaceful".
Probably will die.
Now, to be fair, as drunk as one may be... you won't feel like you're freezing?
And, sleeping pills, how many will you take? What kind? How long do they take? Side effects? Etc.
Will you adventure out being already drunk? How far is the spot? Will you be drunk, trip and break your leg?


There's more to plan.

But the cold will kill you. Even if you trip and break your leg before you're even on the mountain.
Good points.

I guess I would have to test if you could knock yourself out with sleeping pills while you are drunk.
Still, if you could actually manage to pass out in the cold unprotected, there is no way you could be saved.

I speak from experience, I do do long trips in the montain, even in winter season.
There is noone around who would save or even find you.

Dying in your sleep sounds like a good way to go.
 
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Pookie

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Oct 18, 2020
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There are many variables in how long it would take you to die of hypothermia though. Weight, state of health etc. Women apparently take longer to die of hypothermia because they usually have a higher percentage of body fat than men.
 
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Sakura94

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Nov 26, 2020
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Still unsure if it should be combined with water/swimming in a shallow stream or not.
 
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Nov 28, 2020
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Still unsure if it should be combined with water/swimming in a shallow stream or not.
There is beauty in nature everywhere in every country I have travelled that can be enjoyed while one does ctb.

If I say farewell, I look for a nice remote spot.
On top of a hill, montain, glade.
Well that would be my preference, water stream sounds pretty harsh in comparison...
 
Throwmyselfaway

Throwmyselfaway

Not gone yet but soon
Jan 14, 2020
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If I was in a place that got cold enough I would try this. A nice spot with a good view. However where I'm at it gets cold for like a week then that's it.
 
OpheliasFlowers

OpheliasFlowers

Specialist
Apr 2, 2019
348
This has been my method of choice for years (although obviously I have yet to go through with it). After finding SS I have considered other methods but hypothermia is the one I continually go back to. In fact, just earlier today I was looking up articles online about this very subject, and found a persuasive number of articles about people who chose to leave by hypothermia and many of these articles discussed how, if conditions are right, this can really be a peaceful way to go...and now I'm back to thinking this just may be my way out. I want to be out in nature so this would fit that. And it seems so --- I don't know, "clean". I am lucky to live in an area where the temps get very low and there is am ample amount of wooded, beautiful places to choose from. If I do this I plan to take enough benzos to at least get me close to being knocked out, and I'll just suffer through the initial shivering, I don't care. Then I'll just look up at the trees and stars and hopefully close my eyes and drift away...
 
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suffocatingseraphim

⸙𖦹killing the self as to protect it from harm𖦹⸙
Feb 6, 2020
105
Hypothermia has been one of my methods I've looked at for a while now, I had one attempt with it previously but not with the needed sedatives or alcohol to numb most of the experience. There is a lot of burning at first if you're sober in this cold heat sensation, like when you hold an ice cube too long. I got moderately dizzy early on and felt like the ground was spinning when I was outside around 40 minutes, I think it was 25 F at the time. Granted, I do have a lot of body fat and had nothing to put me to sleep, so it was a pretty fruitless attempt.

My hope is to one day ctb on a mountainside or somewhere I can openly see the stars or treetops, hear nothing but the earth around me, the wind, and see the constellations before falling into it.
 
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Raminiki

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Jun 12, 2020
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Someone did this in my local area in inclement weather. Cold, windy, very wet, but not freezing. Walked into the hills without his protective gear and didn't come back. It's definitely an option for me, however, since about 2010 climate change has meant the snow on hills has been minimal and temperatures don't reliably stay subzero.

If my other methods came to bust, I'd go for this. Soak myself in some isolated lochan, drink a lot of alcohol, take sedatives, hopefully stay undiscovered for a long time. Just have to be aware that hiking trails will see winter mountaineers, so there's always a chance of being found. It's a long time till death. You'd want to chain yourself to something too, because delirium can set in and you might rescue yourself.

It also sucks that you're forced to set your ctb date by season. You might be desperate to go, but conditions just aren't right. I had this last winter. No snow at all in the hills.

I have a circulatory condition that makes me get really cold really easily. I become stiff, tired and slow. Feeling is lost in extremities, shivering gives way to lots of yawning, my mind goes foggy. When I warm up from that mild hypothermia, the hot aches in my fingers and toes is extremely painful. Be aware of that if you back out or are found. Frostbite would be even worse.

Oh, and if you're serious, you will ideally fast and dehydrate yourself beforehand. Fasting is especially important, so you have less fuel onboard to burn for body heat.

And windy conditions and wetness are important. Cotton clothing stays wet and pulls heat from the body, woollen or synthetic are more protective. Wind and rain are unpleasant, but would make things faster and more likely to succeed than a calm snowy night.
 
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eremito

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Sep 18, 2019
119
There are some cases where people who chose this method were not successful, instead they had frostbites and some of them lost fingers or toes. The question resurfaces how can one avoid those risks and make the most of this method?
 
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Neowise

Neowise

We fly and fly but never reach our destination.
Oct 7, 2020
353
This is actually not that bad of a method. If you black out due to alcohol you don't realize what's going on around you at all. In some areas it would be difficult to find a spot where no one will find you in time, but this is worth keeping in the back of the mind.
 
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Oct 18, 2020
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There are some cases where people who chose this method were not successful, instead they had frostbites and some of them lost fingers or toes. The question resurfaces how can one avoid those risks and make the most of this method?
You don't need sub-zero temperatures or snow to get hypothermia so then frostbite could be avoided. But it might take a bit longer to die. In water/rain/wind or if your clothes are wet the hypothermia sets in quicker.
 
adam&eve

adam&eve

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Dec 16, 2020
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You don't need sub-zero temperatures or snow to get hypothermia so then frostbite could be avoided. But it might take a bit longer to die. In water/rain/wind or if your clothes are wet the hypothermia sets in quicker.
Could you elaborate on this? How not to get frostbite, and how long does it take for hypothermia to occur?
 
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Endeavour

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Dec 13, 2020
566
Could you elaborate on this? How not to get frostbite, and how long does it take for hypothermia to occur?
If it's not freezing you don't get frostbite. Can take hours. Once you're out you won't know anything about it, it's called the sweet death I think, but also people have been revived after hours, you're not dead until you're warm and dead is the saying.
 
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adam&eve

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Dec 16, 2020
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If it's not freezing you don't get frostbite. Can take hours. Once you're out you won't know anything about it, it's called the sweet death I think, but also people have been revived after hours, you're not dead until you're warm and dead is the saying.
How many celsius is OK to not get frostbite? And should I wear wet clothes? And how long does it take, 8 hours?
 
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Endeavour

Mage
Dec 13, 2020
566
People have died from hypothermia at even 10C, but the colder the better. Wet clothes helps heat transfer as does alcohol. It's very hard not to try and get to warmth, so in the middle of nowhere is better I think. BPD_LE posted about a friend of hers who died in the summer in the UK, passed out drunk and on benzos in the rain in a city center.
 
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Pookie

Somebody you used to know.
Oct 18, 2020
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Could you elaborate on this? How not to get frostbite, and how long does it take for hypothermia to occur?
You can get hypothermia in temperatures as high as 10 degrees Celsius if you stay out there long enough. Frostbite may occur in subzero temps like -10 or lower. It's very hard to say how long hypothermia could take as it depends on many variables such as what you're wearing, your body fat percentage, your state of health, whether there's a wind, snow, rain, water, what the altitude is etc. Also being surrounded by trees and shrubbery will serve as coverage/insulation to some extent. I'm no expert on this, I've just done a lot of reading on the subject.
How many celsius is OK to not get frostbite? And should I wear wet clothes? And how long does it take, 8 hours?
You'll die quicker in freezing water, can even take as little as an hour. Alcohol will speed up the process as it causes your core heat from the vital organs to be diverted to the extremities/skin surface.
 
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