Is denying people the right to a peaceful death one of the sickest crimes of humanity?

[iloverachel]

I am talking about the law makers, politicians, activist groups who push to make euthanasia illegal. I can't think of many other crimes that is as worse as forcing people to suffer in this hellish prison for multiple decades.

Because of the disgusting people who helped ban euthanasia, those in extreme mental agony either deal with it and suffer for decades, or resort to risky, dangerous, painful and sometimes illegal methods.

Over the past 2 months being here I have seen threads about people jumping in front of trains, shooting themselves with a shotgun, drinking SN and dying in a dark forest alone, self immolating, dehydrating and starving to death. jumping from tall buildings and bridges, failed hangings causing permanent injury.

It is heartbreaking and a devastating tragedy that suicidal people have to resort to these inhumane methods, rather than easily getting a peaceful death at a clinic

 

[Agon321]

I think there are bigger crimes ;).

I consider the lack of euthanasia as an inconsistency.
If the dog is sick, we put it to sleep.
Why don't we do this with humans?
It's an animal and it's an animal.
Forcing people to live in pain is not empathy for me.
For me this is a selfish approach.

Of course, I am not saying that there should be euthanasia on request in every case. I'm not saying that every city should have a "box" where you go and die.
We as a society are not ready for something like this.

In my opinion, euthanasia on request should exist for old people and mentally and physically ill people.
Just enough. Something like that would satisfy me.
I also wouldn't forcefully fight against sites like this one.
This is a road to nowhere.

I do not see the lack of euthanasia as one of humanity's greatest crimes.
I see this as an absurd flaw in the system we live in.

Of course, I understand the voices of people who say that every human life must be fought for, but I do not entirely agree.
You shouldn't fight at all costs.

 

[FuneralCry]

Yes, it's absolutely evil, access to painless death should be a human right. Humans are such an repulsive species with how they so harmfully procreate even know existing is nothing but meaningless suffering yet make existence into a prison where one cannot peacefully escape on their own terms. We really are paying the price all because others were selfish enough to procreate, imposing the futile and torturous burden that is existence in the first place is the ultimate worst crime to me though as it's the source of all suffering.

If one never existed then they wouldn't be able to be harmed in anyway, they wouldn't even have to die as they would have stayed eternally unaware of the abomination that is existence instead. For me suicide is the solution to the problem that never needed to exist, the problem being existence itself and it's a horrific, hellish tragedy how this problem even exists at all, only never existing is perfection to me.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I believe that it is. I hate it when people say that we have all of the rights right now when we don't as we don't have the right to a peaceful death. What's worse is that many people don't even see this as something that should be a right as they believe that we should pointlessly suffer until old age and then die painfully. I believe that people should choose when to die whenever they want to. Why should we be obligated to continue existing when we don't want to be alive? Why should we be obligated to do something that we don't want to do? Maybe normies will respond to that with "that's just life" but then I question why we should just accept that instead of trying to fight for what we deserve? I hate that I'm forced to stay existing because all of the methods that are available to me are either risky or ineffective. Humans truly are awful primitive creatures

 

[UKscotty]

The bigger crime is cutting funding and resources for mental health services.

Rather than invest time and effort into the state supporting people to die, I'd rather the effort go into recovery instead so I don't have to waste my one chance of life.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

The bigger crime is cutting funding and resources for mental health services.

Rather than invest time and effort into the state supporting people to die, I'd rather the effort go into recovery instead so I don't have to waste my one chance of life.

Can't the state do both? Assisted dying doesn't prevent governments from investing in high quality mental health care and research into mental health conditions.

 

[UKscotty]

Can't the state do both? Assisted dying doesn't prevent governments from investing in high quality mental health care and research into mental health conditions.

If they could just kill us instead they would. Treatment is expensive and they just see us as a drain on resources. If it was legal, we'd be massacred.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

Yes, I absolutely agree. I shouldn't have to be dying from a terminal illness and be suffering horribly before being granted a peaceful exit. I should be able to skip past it and go now because it's sadistic forcing people to endure like that.

If they could just kill us instead they would. Treatment is expensive and they just see us as a drain on resources. If it was legal, we'd be massacred.

At this point I'm willing to let myself get massacred. If it's the only way to get what I want then I would be ok with it.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

If they could just kill us instead they would. Treatment is expensive and they just see us as a drain on resources. If it was legal, we'd be massacred.

Beg to differ. It's legal in the Netherlands, yet only 5% of deaths are euthanasia. Psychiatric euthanasia numbers in the low hundreds.

Moreover, isn't it my choice if I don't want to be a burden? I get 750 quid per month in universal credit. It would cheaper to give me a one off euthanasia visit.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

Beg to differ. It's legal in the Netherlands, yet only 5% of deaths are euthanasia. Psychiatric euthanasia numbers in the low hundreds.

Moreover, isn't it my choice if I don't want to be a burden? I get 750 quid per month in universal credit. It would cheaper to give me a one off euthanasia visit.

Exactly, I would want that same choice too. On top of that, if my health was so bad I couldn't take care of myself at all, I would feel like more of a prisoner than I do now. If my caretakers refuse to let me go peacefully then they would be torturing me at that point and telling me to be grateful for it. Fuck that.

Some days it genuinely feels like only 2 extremes are possible, forcing people to endure suffering against their will to their natural death or just euthanize them all so the government doesn't have to help them recover. I know reality is much more complicated than that and I really hope there is a way to help with both. Only time people should be denied is when they're involved in some kind of legal trouble or if they are a minor because parents will always have the final say.

It really is disheartening when people want to take away our right to choose for ourselves, just because they don't trust their governments enough to help. I get it because all governments are corrupt anyway. Profit and control is what they all care about. Sometimes I wish they could just legalize the drugs and let us use them ourselves. I'd love it if I could buy my own euthanasia kit with instructions.

 

[TAW122]

For a short answer, I would say yes. This is especially true when there are no feasible or reasonable options afforded to the person wanting to die (let alone peaceful, dignified deaths) while keeping them alive just to not offend the sensibilities and atavistic morals of the masses. It would be akin to indefinite slavery to keep one alive against their will in the random off-chance that some miraculous event may allow them to suddenly recover or change their mind (if ever).

 

[Rubypie41]

I completely agree.

I would even go as far as saying we shouldn't allow procreation unless voluntary assisted dying is available.

The fact we can bring someone into this world knowing that the could suffer with some incurable illness that causes them either unmanageable physical or mental pain, is just plain wrong.

How much more at ease would you be in life if you knew voluntary assisted dying was available if things should go wrong and there is no way out.

I think you would actually live a more productive, happy and fulfilling life with the stress and worry taken away that you have a peaceful exit if something happens to you that causes incurable physical or mental suffering.

 

[Lost in a Dream]

For a short answer, I would say yes. This is especially true when there are no feasible or reasonable options afforded to the person wanting to die (let alone peaceful, dignified deaths) while keeping them alive just to not offend the sensibilities and atavistic morals of the masses. It would be akin to indefinite slavery to keep one alive against their will in the random off-chance that some miraculous event may allow them to suddenly recover or change their mind (if ever).

It's like being forced to work at a factory 24/7 and being told you should be grateful for the vending machines and the half decent cafeteria food. If you try to quit, you have to shove your face into the metal gears of the assembly line or starve on the street if you try to walk out the door. Seems like we get ridiculed in either case just because we don't want to be enslaved to this.

Every day you get forced to waste your money on lottery tickets on top of it just in case you win the jackpot and your freedom. Imagine getting ridiculed for refusing to play because it's a stupid game and you don't care about winning the money.

It's how I feel about life and I'm sick of being treated like I'm wrong for not wanting to slave away until I'm 70. I'm sick of everyone being so obsessed with money when it's the very thing being used to trap us here. It's all bullshit and I'm sick of other people using the mental illness excuse to gaslight others for not wanting to live. It's enfuriating sometimes.

 

[dggtscccvfd]

I completely agree.

I would even go as far as saying we shouldn't allow procreation unless voluntary assisted dying is available.

The fact we can bring someone into this world knowing that the could suffer with some incurable illness that causes them either unmanageable physical or mental pain, is just plain wrong.

How much more at ease would you be in life if you knew voluntary assisted dying was available if things should go wrong and there is no way out.

I think you would actually live a more productive, happy and fulfilling life with the stress and worry taken away that you have a peaceful exit if something happens to you that causes incurable physical or mental suffering.

Have you received your reply from Pegasos yet?

 

[Rubypie41]

Have you received your reply from Pegasos yet?

Not yet. They said between 6-8 weeks and it's now been 5 weeks

 

[dggtscccvfd]

Not yet. They said between 6-8 weeks and it's now been 5 weeks

Okay. Keep us updated!

 

[Rubypie41]

Okay. Keep us updated!

Will do. Fingers crossed. No idea what I will do if not approved. SN or DDMA are my only two options

 

[davidtorez]

I completely agree.

I would even go as far as saying we shouldn't allow procreation unless voluntary assisted dying is available.

The fact we can bring someone into this world knowing that the could suffer with some incurable illness that causes them either unmanageable physical or mental pain, is just plain wrong.

How much more at ease would you be in life if you knew voluntary assisted dying was available if things should go wrong and there is no way out.

I think you would actually live a more productive, happy and fulfilling life with the stress and worry taken away that you have a peaceful exit if something happens to you that causes incurable physical or mental suffering.

Agreed %

 

[fleetingnight]

In a sense. I think that villainizing death is a crime, and outlawing suicide is the product of it. As much as I don't like pro-lifers, I understand that a lot of them genuinely think they're helping by outlawing it. It's offensive and demeaning that they think people can't be trusted to make decisions for themselves, but I consider pro-life ideaology to basically be brainwashing. They still have some responsibility for it, but I blame the brainwashing more, if that makes sense (I hope I explained myself okay)