is ctb in an airbnb morally wrong?

[throwaway3246539]

i m talking about taking SN. after trying to do it at home last week and being stopped by my ex i dont think i ll get the chance to be home alone again for a decent period of time. i could do it at night but i m afraid i ll make noises and wake someone up and being 'saved' would be really shit. so it s either doing it in my car or an airbnb/hotel. and by airbnb i m not talking about someone s actual domicile, but an apartment someone uses just to make money. i know it s not ideal, but it seems like my best bet

 

[FuneralCry]

After all, we all have to die somewhere, someday and death is the most normal thing ever, so no. And anyway suicide is a human right and we should all be able to exit this world without the fear of being stopped, so it's understandable planning to leave this world there.

 

[pipapo]

i think professional airbnb is okay but private home is morally wrong

 

[throwaway3246539]

i think professional airbnb is okay but private home is morally wrong

yeah, i m talking about professional airbnb thanks

 

[stilhavinightmares]

I have this dilemma also. I agree that a more professional Airbnb would be much better morally than a private one (like someone's home), but personally I still think if a hotel is accessible then that's better. However, if you could find a spot in the middle of nowhere to park your car I think that's best if you know nobody will be around to hear or see you. I just can't find anywhere like this. :(

 

[myownpetvirus]

I think it is best to leave a note at the entrance so the person doesn't have to see the body. Also possibly and apology note stating you didn't have options to do it elsewhere or you would.

 

[western_heart]

It'd have to be a nice airbnb for me to choose it over a hotel, mostly because airbnb at the low end tends to not be very good value.

Dying in an airbnb might make the unit unavailable for the next guest if someone has a booking right after yours ends, whereas a hotel is much more likely to have an extra room and if not, is going to be better equipped to accommodate a guest if their room is unavailable.

Not that I particularly care about the woes of airbnb property managers! It just might inconvenience a next guest, but that is one of the risks guests take when they choose an airbnb over a hotel.

 

[vultureilse]

what about a hotel? it seems like a better choice imo. in some hotels the employees are trained for situations like this

 

[throwaway3246539]

I have this dilemma also. I agree that a more professional Airbnb would be much better morally than a private one (like someone's home), but personally I still think if a hotel is accessible then that's better. However, if you could find a spot in the middle of nowhere to park your car I think that's best if you know nobody will be around to hear or see you. I just can't find anywhere like this. :(

i cant find anywhere like this either in my city. if i do it in my car someone will most likely find me pretty soon, before i get the chance to actually die. also i cant really spend 2-3 days in my car which is what i would do in an airbnb, just to have time to prepare everything and be alone with my thoughts

 

[BaronVon]

what about a hotel? it seems like a better choice imo. in some hotels the employees are trained for situations like this

Personally it depends on the method of CTB. i would worry in a hotel someone was disturbed because of any noise made in the attempt. Also some methods are best to not be found for some time 24-48 hours to guarantee death, i would worry room service etc could disturb that time

 

[Looking]

I wouldn't say it's "morally" wrong as much as I personally wouldn't suggest it. You will end up traumatizing someone if you do it in an Airbnb - I mean, you'll traumatize a hotel worker too, but I think they have more cases of death than other places, counting a lot of people overdose in general. (Like what @vultureilse said) Maybe a low-end motel might be a best idea, or at least that's what I would go with.

I think writing a note of some kind, like what @western_heart suggested, might be a good idea. Doing it in a bathroom, locking the bathroom with the note on the outside. Bathrooms would make the cleanup easier in general, whatever the method ends up being.

 

[stilhavinightmares]

i cant find anywhere like this either in my city. if i do it in my car someone will most likely find me pretty soon, before i get the chance to actually die. also i cant really spend 2-3 days in my car which is what i would do in an airbnb, just to have time to prepare everything and be alone with my thoughts

Agreed. And a space to let your body do what it needs to do. Where would you tell your spouse/family you are going?

It'd have to be a nice airbnb for me to choose it over a hotel, mostly because airbnb at the low end tends to not be very good value.

Dying in an airbnb might make the unit unavailable for the next guest if someone has a booking right after yours ends, whereas a hotel is much more likely to have an extra room and if not, is going to be better equipped to accommodate a guest if their room is unavailable.

Not that I particularly care about the woes of airbnb property managers! It just might inconvenience a next guest, but that is one of the risks guests take when they choose an airbnb over a hotel.

Oh yeah, I never thought about the next guests! Good point.

 

[throwaway3246539]

I think it is best to leave a note at the entrance so the person doesn't have to see the body. Also possibly and apology note stating you didn't have options to do it elsewhere or you would.

yes i was thinking about this as well. or maybe a scheduled email

what about a hotel? it seems like a better choice imo. in some hotels the employees are trained for situations like this

my issue with choosing a hotel is that if i make noise i can still alarm people who have rooms next to mine and i could still be 'saved'. maybe i m overthinking this but an airbnb is more private.

Where would you tell your spouse/family you are going?

i honestly have no idea. i ll probably tell my parents i m going away for the weekend to relax after my exams or something like that

 

[stilhavinightmares]

yes i was thinking about this as well. or maybe a scheduled email


my issue with choosing a hotel is that if i make noise i can still alarm people who have rooms next to mine and i could still be 'saved'. maybe i m overthinking this but an airbnb is more private.

i honestly have no idea. i ll probably tell my parents i m going away for the weekend to relax after my exams or something like that

I agree with you about the Airbnb being more private. I'm scared of the hotel route because of the noise too. It sucks trying to have to figure this out, especially alone.

 

[pipapo]

Personally it depends on the method of CTB. i would worry in a hotel someone was disturbed because of any noise made in the attempt. Also some methods are best to not be found for some time 24-48 hours to guarantee death, i would worry room service etc could disturb that time

I also think its method-depended

for example using an airbnb for exit bag may be safer because you can find armchairs while in hotels they are very rare and there's lots of generic seating

 

[Sunset Limited]

I wish there was a way not to involve anyone in this. Hotel is my only option. One way or another, someone has to find the body.

 

[almostoutofhere]

Doing it in the car would probably be my last option; I want to be as comfortable as possible when I pass. And with the car, no matter how remote you think the place may be , there's still a possibility of being found and interrupted.

Hotel seems to be the best option, if you can't do it at home.

 

[rainydayvibes]

I was literally just thinking about this today and concluded that no matter where you do it you're going to traumatize someone. The house cleaner in a hotel or Airbnb is just as much as a human as your roommate or spouse. I don't have an answer, only more grief unfortunately.

 

[Disaster]

Is the Airbnb more fail proof than hotel tho? Y'all give me the vibes of people who are worried if their ctb cocktail wasn't tested on animals and if no drug dealers were harmed when smuggling your drugs. And if the fibers for the rope were fair trade.
If we had to go this way, isn't "succeeding " with first attempt more ethical than trying and being rescued over and over multiple times, for goddamn years? Ever if those attempts were "more ethical" than one that actually kills?
To be clear: I DO NOT judge people for being chronically suicidal and having multiple attempts. I think we should put less pressure about ethical matters in people who have enough on their plates, and start expecting having some ethical standards from politicians, corporations etc.
It's great to value consent, and I'm aware that finding a corpse in ones home is not something most people would consent to. But honestly someone could have a heart attack, diabetic coma or whatever in an Airbnb or hotel room, they can ctb. I wish people weren't suicidal, I wish they didn't want to ctb, sure. But I don't want people to keep living just because they would feel guilty for dying. We will all die someday anyway. Sure, do whatever you find appropriate, but please don't push yourself too hard to make it perfectly ethical.

 

[Source Energy]

I'm surprised some of you said yes. What, would it "traumatize" the person who finds you to see a corpse? "Bad" news, they gonna die one day too, it would serve them to be reminded of it and do some introspection on the subject.

I'm gonna do it at home, in a rented apartment. The bed they gave me is old ( I even paid for it ) , they would have thrown it away anyway, I will clean the house a little but I know they repaint and renew between renting, as for finding me...well, the landlord is getting old ( 70 something), sure there will be a shock, but again, normal people could benefit from revisiting the subject of death. As for the mess/ grossness, well I have put enough money in his pocket to earn my right to die here.
Actually, f that. I have the right to die anytime anywhere. Everyone should just pull their heads from the sand and accept mortality, suicide included.

 

[Grayfield]

As for the mess/ grossness, well I have put enough money in his pocket to earn my right to die here.
Actually, f that. I have the right to die anytime anywhere. Everyone should just pull their heads from the sand and accept mortality, suicide included.

Very well put. I have included a couple extra days on my reservation, after ctb, so they can pay/do their cleaning, legal stuff or whatever it is that they need to do before the next guest arrives. I don't think it'll be that gruesome or messy at all. It all amounts to a snall glitch in their busimess.

 

[justkenisfine]

Airbnb is such a dogshit company that lets any asshole become a landlord. You can absolutely morally justify BNB CTB

 

[stilhavinightmares]

Airbnb is such a dogshit company that lets any asshole become a landlord. You can absolutely morally justify BNB CTB

I've been thinking this lately as Airbnb has been being dragged as a company lol I still feel bad for the individual people running the places though

 

[justkenisfine]

I've been thinking this lately as Airbnb has been being dragged as a company lol I still feel bad for the individual people running the places though

Completely fair. But discovering your body is pretty inevitable and imo I'd rather have that burden be on someone I don't respect than someone like a family member

 

[stilhavinightmares]

Completely fair. But discovering your body is pretty inevitable and imo I'd rather have that burden be on someone I don't respect than someone like a family member

Oh very true. I'd never do it to a family member. If I could help it I'd make sure it was a cop who found me. I feel like they're used to that shit and I don't really respect them in general so

 

[TAW122]

Similar to the responses here, I don't see any reason why it would be wrong to do so in a place where it is simply an place where guests rent, but maybe morally wrong (morality is subjective imo but that's another discussion altogether) when it's in someone's personal home. I could see the desperation and I wouldn't endorse it, but I could understand "why" if someone literally had no other means or place to do so and that was their ONLY option.

 

[UKscotty]

Someone will have to deal with the mess, for me I think somewhere it is likely to be someone trained and supported to handle it is best.

Having a hotel maid, or someone who is just renting out their home come across a corpse is extremely wrong in my view. It will really mess their head up.

 

[hellispink]

It should not be a problem at all. We all die and they will too. They need to get used to see people dead at some point, better start ahead. Nothing wrong with it. Police will go to the place and the forensic people will take the body. Sn wont leave any stain or blood or something that would ruin their property anyway. They be fine. I would probably use a hotel or airnb whichever is accesible at the time.

 

[Disaster]

Someone will have to deal with the mess, for me I think somewhere it is likely to be someone trained and supported to handle it is best.

Having a hotel maid, or someone who is just renting out their home come across a corpse is extremely wrong in my view. It will really mess their head up.

We seclude the dying to hospitals and nursing homes (because apparently getting old people neglected due to understaffing is more moral than euthanasia?), but does it actually make the life of anyone better? You may stumble across dying anywhere, you may go to a movie theater and someone watching a movie may choke on popcorn. You may go to a swimming pool and someone may drown there. Consent is very important to me, and I wish we could safely discuss our death with every person who may be affected, but for a death by suicide it's not wise, because in some legal systems it would be doing something worse: non-consensually informing someone about something that according to the law should be reported. So now this person would have the dilemma if they should report (against your will and likely have you hospitalized against your will) or keep it secret and hope they won't be prosecuted for not saving your life. And live with guilt because of the pro-life indoctrination we get for our whole lives. So creating a situation where someone will just find the corpse seems to be lesser evil, huh? I do assume that when I knock the door and no one responds, a corpse is one of various things I may find. Never actually happened, but it's one of the possible options. Sure, it wouldn't be nice, but it's not an avoidable thing. Cultural attitudes about suicide being much worse and more taboo than choking on popcorn make it so traumatic.

 

[JuliaOnTheNet]

A spare rolm in e/apartment? yeah that would be really not cool and if you have other options I would definetly do it. You don't know who is gonna open the room, maybe it's someone's 13 year old child and seeing a corpse could verywell traumatise some people, especially in their own house. It's a difference if you see someone dead next to where you sleep and live or if it's at work. It also really depends pn the method, something like sodium azide you need to prepare and print out warning signs and stuff like that, not that someones tries to resurrect you (which emergency services always tell people to do) or poison someone or an animal