Being so aware of suffering and wanting to end my own has really got me thinking about the suffering I'm imposing on the world. I can barely live with myself eating animals knowing I'm not only suffering but adding suffering to this planet. If I ever recover I think I will have to go vegan. I am just too sensitive and disgusted with the world and the suffering contained within it. Even if we live "good lives" and be happy I will always be upset with how much suffering we just sit here and watch.
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theboy
Illuminated
- Jul 15, 2022
- 3,238
We all do but why add suffering
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Venus13
Experienced
- Oct 2, 2022
- 233
Yes, I went vegan after my afflictions started. I was always going back and forth with it though, but my suffering amplified my understanding.
I definitely resonate with this. I'm in limbo with ctbing and don't see it happening too soon unfortunately but the unbearable suffering has definitely made me reconsider everything I do in life.
Definitely. Are you in limbo due to lack of resources or hope of recovery? Or something else?
theboy
Illuminated
- Jul 15, 2022
- 3,238
is true
They should kill peacefull and softy to animals. The torture is innecesary
Pretty much a prisoner to my parents type of situation. I'm trying to wait at least until my mom passes before I go. I can't wait for my dad because he's too young and I don't want this to last decades longer. Anyways, it definitely is harrowing to develop that level of empathy around suffering where you begin to realize just how bad it is.
Ugh I'm sorry you're in that situation. It is hard to try to not hurt others. Well at least we can try to prevent others from suffering while we're here
I'm sorry you're in a bad enough situation to be on SaSu as well, life can be quite dark. I wish you to experience better than this.
Yeah I'm sticking around as I have a glimmer of hope for recovery from my brain damage
But can't stick around forever
Message In A Bottle
I don’t need light. Please give me water
- Apr 1, 2022
- 382
I would if it didn't place all that suffering on to me. I become more delirious on a vegan diet, and it's not something I want to go through again in my final stages of life.
Sadly there is no escape from suffering - if you are alive on this planet then something has to suffer for you in return - it goes for every living thing in various degrees.
I don't like it as much as you do - it's one's own decision if they want to go that route - but it's not for me.
One way if one wants to still eat animal meat/ products but wants to avoid abuse is find places that do it as humanely as possible. For example, avoid fast food places. I read somewhere where KFC is absolutely horrible to their chickens.
Sadly there is no escape from suffering - if you are alive on this planet then something has to suffer for you in return - it goes for every living thing in various degrees.
I don't like it as much as you do - it's one's own decision if they want to go that route - but it's not for me.
One way if one wants to still eat animal meat/ products but wants to avoid abuse is find places that do it as humanely as possible. For example, avoid fast food places. I read somewhere where KFC is absolutely horrible to their chickens.
Pluto
Cat Extremist
- Dec 27, 2020
- 5,107
I've been vegetarian for 20-something years. Looking back now, I think it's because the way the animals are treated - completely sub-human, objectified, no rights, no care, unlimited pain, etc. - resonates strongly with how I felt growing up with a sociopathic family.
CTB Dream
Injury damage disabl hard talk no argu make fun et
- Sep 17, 2022
- 2,797
Vry sad this happne animal, whole life wrong even no eat see other wild other cruelty all wrong. Wish whole bio end
Fulminare
Read Thomas Szasz!
- Feb 20, 2022
- 227
I went vegan years ago because of some philosophy. Don't think I'll change that in my last few days now. I can tell you that it's worth it, doesn't matter why you're doing it. It's great when someone actually recognizes animals as another living being who is murdered because someone says "I liKE MeAT". Or even if you just do it for health reasons. Good on you for thinking about it.
Inferno
Member
- Jan 9, 2023
- 79
I don't really care about animals to be honest. The world already sucks, any "suffering" I add to it doesn't bother me, I just want everything to end, I don't care how much of it is destroyed. Suffering is an inevitable part of life, as an individual I am insignificant. If I died it wouldn't really make a difference so may as well eat a steak or burger while I'm here.
Lynx.
Member
- Sep 28, 2022
- 80
There isn't a way to kill someone 'peacefully and softly', especially if you consume their flesh afterwards.
There also isn't a way to do 'humane slaughter', really.
It's all murder and suffering, let's not pretend it's otherwise.
Inferno
Member
- Jan 9, 2023
- 79
Death is the opposite of suffering because you're not capable of experiencing it anymore. If you're murdered how can you suffer after you're already dead? That doesn't make sense.
Fadeawaaaay
Visionary
- Nov 12, 2021
- 2,160
I used to care, but some thing inside of me broke and died, and now I don't really care about anything… Numb to feeling …
Dot
Info abt typng styl on prfle.
- Sep 26, 2021
- 3,348
Ws vegtrian fr 10 yrs & hlth ws affctd
Slf apprci8 n.e1 wh/ mkes decsns whch hve postve efftcs fr anmls bt as am v limtd in own choics slf wll nt fl gulty fr eatng meat eithr
Agn wld b bettr if welfre ws bettr fr anmls b-ing farmd tho
Slf apprci8 n.e1 wh/ mkes decsns whch hve postve efftcs fr anmls bt as am v limtd in own choics slf wll nt fl gulty fr eatng meat eithr
Agn wld b bettr if welfre ws bettr fr anmls b-ing farmd tho
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Fulminare
Read Thomas Szasz!
- Feb 20, 2022
- 227
I think what they mean is the act of killing someone inflicts suffering on the victim. This specifically applies to victims who do not wish to die (aka the mass produced animal). There is no peaceful way out, dying is a frightening experience, even if there is nothingness after.
Inferno
Member
- Jan 9, 2023
- 79
I apologise for the misunderstanding, I get what you're trying to say now.
Lynx.
Member
- Sep 28, 2022
- 80
For us who desire death it may very well mean the cease of suffering. But for an animal that doesn't want to die, it's an involuntary death and murder - contrary to their desires; sure, there isn't suffering after they are dead, but there surely is suffering in the process of dying, even if it is a 'peaceful one', mainly because it is an involuntary death, one which they do not desire.
The difference between voluntary and involuntary death is key. If we were to take away that difference, I could go around murdering people's pets, grandma's and aunts just because I felt that I put them out of their misery.
The same applies to ants, moths, mosquitoes and to any living beings; my suffering isn't any greater than that of a turtle, for example; the world is poison and life is suffering, but if that turtle desires to live, even if it does only based on natural instincts, then I'm in no position to crush it and end its life.
That's my opinion, anyways. As cynical and pessimistic as I am, I have no right to impose my will unto other beings, and my worldview doesn't justify the cause of more suffering.
Hugs to you, and to everyone
I appreciate the reply.
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'The Final Race' (Australian documentary on horse racing) is what did it for me. Utterly disgusting and heartbreaking scenes in abbatoirs. Bit more research and found out my local supermarket has been embroiled in animal rights violations. If you want the push to go vegetarian/vegan- I suggest watching that. (It's on YouTube.)
Been vegetarian for two years now. Should have done it earlier because I've always loved animals. Ought to be vegan really but I know I'm too lazy to eat well enough for that. I know I still cause a whole lot of suffering of course- but at least it's slightly less...
Been vegetarian for two years now. Should have done it earlier because I've always loved animals. Ought to be vegan really but I know I'm too lazy to eat well enough for that. I know I still cause a whole lot of suffering of course- but at least it's slightly less...
Dolphin55
Member
- Jan 7, 2023
- 178
'The Final Race' (Australian documentary on horse racing) is what did it for me. Utterly disgusting and heartbreaking scenes in abbatoirs. Bit more research and found out my local supermarket has been embroiled in animal rights violations. If you want the push to go vegetarian/vegan- I suggest watching that. (It's on YouTube.)
Been vegetarian for two years now. Should have done it earlier because I've always loved animals. Ought to be vegan really but I know I'm too lazy to eat well enough for that. I know I still cause a whole lot of suffering of course- but at least it's slightly less...
Yeah, same, I would like to be vegan but too lazy to ensure a balanced diet. For me it was watching documentaries about the abuse farm animals go through that made me vegetarian... Horrific stuff and having suffered yourself probably does give you a greater appreciation for what it must be like for them. There was one video of this guy who visited pig farms undercover - female pigs are forced into these tiny crates where they can't even turn around, every time they have babies. Their babies are then taken from them, they're artificially inseminated, and the cycle repeats, over and over… and over again. True hell. They never see the sun. They only get relief when they're finally so spent they cannot keep producing litters, at which point they get a terrifying, painful death by being put in a gas chamber. The pigs literally go insane in the awful conditions they're kept in and in some cases they will cannibalise or even eat those still alive. You look at the human race differently when you realise this is the hell we're perfectly content to inflict on billions (yes, billions) of these innocent animals.
rationaltake
I'm rocking it - in another universe
- Sep 28, 2021
- 2,707
How about going vegetarian to start with? I find being vegetarian really easy and practical. I don't want to inflict harm on other beings but I have to admit it's probably easier for me because I've never liked meat and never wanted to eat it. I don't eat eggs and the only dairy I have now is cheese. I love soya cream - miles better than real cream. I also love soya chunks. Really nice when fried.
I'm sorry vegetarianism affected your health. We all have different physiology. I'm fine with vegetarianism but didn't do well with veganism - doing it properly is hard work.
I really get this. I was kept outside in a yard when I was really young.
I still get distressed about the way some people treat their pets. I called animal welfare out to a neighbour's dog.
I'm sorry vegetarianism affected your health. We all have different physiology. I'm fine with vegetarianism but didn't do well with veganism - doing it properly is hard work.
I really get this. I was kept outside in a yard when I was really young.
I still get distressed about the way some people treat their pets. I called animal welfare out to a neighbour's dog.
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Versailles
Enlightened
- Oct 1, 2020
- 1,652
I would go vegan if I could, but my metabolism is a bit strange, eliminating meat for a long period is not recommended for me
LONE WOLF.
PUNISHER.
- Nov 4, 2020
- 1,990
Having both grown up on a farm and seen the inside of a slaughter house l can assure you that there is No suffering when the animals are put down, a airgun is used and death happens instantly, the animal Does Not Suffer.
Judy Garland
HoHum
- Mar 23, 2022
- 826
I could go for a cheeseburger with french fries smothered in cheese and bacon, with a side of ranch..
