I read about it, but my gut feeling is that it's mostly not doable. Especially if you have never injected yourself, it's going to feel like a heart attack (need very remote location, travel) and it may still be unpredictable.
I once tried it. Order an IV needle online. Do NOT use a hyperdermic needle. The reason why it failed for me was becusse the hyperdemic needle failed. If I had just used the IV, I would be dead.
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gingerplum
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Do you mean an IV catheter (to run a drip) as opposed to a hypodermic needle on a syringe?
Yes. I also changed "meddle" to "needle."
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Gotcha, this makes sense. I'd like to hear more about how you went about it.
I had an IV drip bag. You could adjust the flow. So what my plan was to get the needle in, attach it to the IV drip bag, put the potassium chloride in, lie down, and then adjust the flow so that it would come into my veins. I had 9,801 mg of potassium chloride in powder form and I was going to mix it with water at the last minute before putting it into the IV drip bag. The idea was I would continue to get potassium chloride even after my heart stopped. I used a tourniquette as well to see my veins. I managed to hit a vein, but then the needle fell out when I tried attaching it to the drip. So I tried again with a different vein, this time I would secure it with tape. It came loose once again. This kept happening until I couldn't find a vein anymore. But to be fair, now that I think about it, I don't know if it would have worked anyway.
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I don't know what the lethal dose would be, I'd hafta research that & calculate it. But your method was really sound. Ideally, if I were doing this, I would get a butterfly needle or a regular iv catheter and secure it with transpore tape.
Veins are not hard to hit, and if they are, you could always use your jugular vein.
Then I'd sedate myself with opiates and/or alcohol and let the drip run wide open.
This is actually one of the better ideas I've heard, not necessarily with KCl, but it lends itself to endless possibilities of IV infusions.
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If I were to try again, I'd use the IV catheter (realized I can just order them online, but if I bought them in person I'd need a license). And I'm not sure what drug I'd use. Although a general anesthesia overdose would be very pleasant... wish I had access to it.
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It's amazing how cheap & accessible all the supplies are online.
@Comatose11 ,
'I once tried it. Order an IV needle online. Do NOT use a hyperdermic needle. The reason why it failed for me was because the hyperdemic needle failed. If I had just used the IV, I would be dead.'
You basically mean, use an IV instead of an injection ? Someone who had a medical background wrote that it would be hard to find avein for that purpose, if he had to do that to himself.
Forget about getting potassium chloride after your heart has stopped. Once that has happened the KCl would no longer be distributed !
'I once tried it. Order an IV needle online. Do NOT use a hyperdermic needle. The reason why it failed for me was because the hyperdemic needle failed. If I had just used the IV, I would be dead.'
You basically mean, use an IV instead of an injection ? Someone who had a medical background wrote that it would be hard to find avein for that purpose, if he had to do that to himself.
Forget about getting potassium chloride after your heart has stopped. Once that has happened the KCl would no longer be distributed !
I must warn you this will be unbearable painful. It has been likened to being burned alive as your veins will be burned. 1 minute minimum before you die. You can look this up. I thought about this too but after some research it put me off a lot.
Source?
Geo Stone mentions this method in detail in his book Suicide and Attempted Suicide. He says that there is pain on the injection site only. Not all over the body. But, he does says the pain would be severe. He also says, the pain can be managed easily by local anesthetics or an ice pack. So, I dont know...Method seemed good.
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Anyone with a medical background who wants to comment ? We have several members.
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can someone post the link of the materials needed and a visual representation?
Are you a medical professional? If so, Do you know any local anesthetics? and how are they administered, do they have to be injected too? or can they be applied topically?
Thanks.
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Yes. I'm a nurse. Or I was. I'm not sure what your asking about local anesthetics; they can be topical or injectable, but injectable is much, much more effective
@gingerplum,
It´s probably very hard to find a vein and do it yourself if you´ve never done anything like this ?
It´s probably very hard to find a vein and do it yourself if you´ve never done anything like this ?
Potassium is also mentioned in PPeH, as a means to end one's life. Although not in detail, it just mentions it in one line, under the heading of intravenous drugs.
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Not as hard as you think. I'm sure there's instructional videos out there, and like I said, hitting the jugular vein is almost ridiculously easy. Take a big breath and bear down in front of a mirror and you'll see how big it is.
I was just repeating to what someone stated who has a medical background. Jugular ? I wonder what that would do., or what it would feel like locally and the rest. The stuff has to go to the heart, not the brain ?
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All veins lead to the heart; anything IV is immediately systemically absorbed.
It is a salt therefore is caustic. It will burn at the site and will be felt going through the veins as it burns them up, to what degree of pain and length the pain will travel will be somewhat dependent on your pain threshold, concentration of the solution, integrity of the veins. Its in no way going to be painless apart from the very possible burning sensation its gonna feel like a heart attack as it interferes with myocardial function.
An IV may eleviate the intense burning to some degree. Injecting it alone, hell no, this is why anaesthesia is used.
An IV may eleviate the intense burning to some degree. Injecting it alone, hell no, this is why anaesthesia is used.
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Yes-- it would have to be pretty dilute, like in a 1L bag of saline, and I have no clue how much it would take to cause a fatal arrythmia in an otherwise healthy heart. And of course the higher the dose, the more it's going to burn like crazy.
I bet you could more easily cause a lethal arrythmia with IV lidocaine.
Regardless of putting it through a jugular, femoral or brachial its going to cause the same effect. Although potassium chloride does effect brain metabolism its main effect is on the heart, thats whats going to kill you in this instance. I wouldnt run an IV through my jugular as i wouldnt be able to do it myself correctly, anywhere in the arm/hand is about where my skill level is at right now.
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Trust me, you could. An EJ is actually easier; it's like hitting the side of a barn.
Maybe, ive not been trained on it or infact seen it done, im out on the road i suppose in hospital its more likely done.
@Shewaitsforme , Same for me. @gingerplum, truly 'as easy as pie' ? A nurse wrote that it would be difficult for him to do it on himself. Finding the vein.
