Method Inert gases and risks

[sadmoth]

So, I have been doing a little research all over trying to figure out the positives and negatives of each inert gas and how to convert the cannister to a medical gas mask or the bag method, can anyone give me a reason why people have started moving away from inert gases such as helium and nitrogen? what are the risks of doing it this way?

 

[NegevChina]

Can lower flow regulator failure leave you brain damaged or make you survive? Will you feel any pain if you fail and survive?

Low flow failure might cause more convolutions due to CO2 accumulation in the bag. If that causes the exit bag or nitrogen tube to tear off it can cause failure and make you survive. If you survive the damage that will be caused is hard to assess and depends on how long you were not breathing oxygen. You might suffer from panic response and pain due to CO2 inhalation. There is a SanSui member that failed and suffered from minor brain damage that caused him difficulty speaking.

 

[Athina_99]

Low flow failure might cause more convolutions due to CO2 accumulation in the bag. If that causes the exit bag or nitrogen tube to tear off it can cause failure and make you survive. If you survive the damage that will be caused is hard to assess and depends on how long you were not breathing oxygen. You might suffer from panic response and pain due to CO2 inhalation. There is a SanSui member that failed and suffered from minor brain damage that caused him difficulty speaking.

I can't do this anymore. I am very sick and suffer from Multiple Chemical Sensitivities and Mast Cell Activation Syndrome. No one believes me and am being abused and alone. How long do you need to have flow of any kind. How can avoid bag coming off. Sitting up in chair. Hands in pockets. Where is the CO2 accumulation coming from? Sorry am so brain dead and sick. I can't think anymore. Can you share SanSui member if still here. Will low flow work CTB if no convulsions? Everyone thinks am crazy. They don't believe have rare chronic illnesses. Can't eat breath smell do anything. Am bedbound. Have under 2000psi 55cf tank. This is the regulator. They tell me the flow is too low. Flow is in CFH. What is the best way I can avoid CO2 convulsions. I need to CTB. I need to not fail. I have run out of time. My time is limited. I have tried different regulators. They leak. Others were successful with this regulator. Please I don't know what to do. If the bag doesn't fall off can you still CTB? Please help.

 

[NegevChina]

I can't do this anymore. I am very sick and suffer from Multiple Chemical Sensitivities and Mast Cell Activation Syndrome. No one believes me and am being abused and alone. How long do you need to have flow of any kind. How can avoid bag coming off. Sitting up in chair. Hands in pockets. Where is the CO2 accumulation coming from? Sorry am so brain dead and sick. I can't think anymore. Can you share SanSui member if still here. Will low flow work CTB if no convulsions? Everyone thinks am crazy. They don't believe have rare chronic illnesses. Can't eat breath smell do anything. Am bedbound. Have under 2000psi 55cf tank. This is the regulator. They tell me the flow is too low. Flow is in CFH. What is the best way I can avoid CO2 convulsions. I need to CTB. I need to not fail. I have run out of time. My time is limited. I have tried different regulators. They leak. Others were successful with this regulator. Please I don't know what to do. If the bag doesn't fall off can you still CTB? Please help.

I know just how you feel, I'm also suffering and no one believes me.
About 2000 psi should be more than enough in a 55 cf tank.
The recommended flow rate is 15 Liter/minute, thats about 30 CFH. It sounds reasonable that a little less flow will also be sufficient. The description of the photo you posted says 0-60 CFH that should be enough flow. How high can you turn the dial to? I can see at least 15 in the photo.
The accumulation of CO2 comes from exhaling. Each time you exhale you release CO2 to the bag.
Seems if the bag does not come off it can succeed. My plan to deal with the convolutions is to sit in my car and fasten my seat belt.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to play "devil's advocate" a bit here and say, being brutally honest, and with no intent to offend anyone, that for "some people", the inert gas method just isn't the best choice of a ctb method because of the "lack of" technical and mechanical ability.

Vizzy made a guide on how to set everything up. It was as close to a "hand-holding" guide, with pictures, as anyone could expect. GreaseMonkey made one, too. Both guides are easy to find with search. I suggest anyone interested in the inert gas method to find both of these guides and read through them carefully, multiple times, to determine if the inert gas method is something they could/should try. If you feel "uncomfortable" with the method, procuring needed materials, putting it all together, etc, then *maybe* it's best if you consider a different method.

Sorry if I offended anyone. That was not my intent.

 

[Halfhourdays]

I'm sorry, but I'm going to play "devil's advocate" a bit here and say, being brutally honest, and with no intent to offend anyone, that for "some people", the inert gas method just isn't the best choice of a ctb method because of the "lack of" technical and mechanical ability.

Vizzy made a guide on how to set everything up. It was as close to a "hand-holding" guide, with pictures, as anyone could expect.

Sheesh.

 

[Athina_99]

The best al around resource is the PPH (Peaceful Pill Hand book) that has all the details from a medical and technical point of view, page 129:
https://gofile.io/d/W0Zwnc
Exit bag diagram: (scroll down to the mechanism section)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_bag

Also some good posts by SanSui members include detailed photos of their systems:
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/leaving-in-an-hour-goodbye.187099/
https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ng-together-a-nitrogen-exit-bag-setup.187337/

My own system with out the exit bag:

Spoiler: IG System

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What I bought (I'm not from the US so I converted to USD):
For gas flow:
Nitrogen tank containing 600 Liters ($140)
Regulator + Flow meter that connects to the tanks threading ($55)
Pipe for Nitrogen flow from flow meter to exit bag (2 meters) ($5)

For Exit Bag
35x50 cm Oven bags for assembling the Exit bag ($1)
Porous tape for taping the edge of the bag ($1)
Elastic underwear rubber band ($1)

For calculating the volume of the Nitrogen compressed in the tank you need to know the volume of the tank and the pressure. You can read the pressure from the regulator/flow meter. The recommended flow rate by the PPH is 15 Lt/min for 30 minutes. That requires 450 Liters of Nitrogen.

Have under 1900psi of Nitrogen in 55cf cylinder. How many litres of Nitrogen is this? The regulator/flowmeter is in CFH.

I know just how you feel, I'm also suffering and no one believes me.
About 2000 psi should be more than enough in a 55 cf tank.
The recommended flow rate is 15 Liter/minute, thats about 30 CFH. It sounds reasonable that a little less flow will also be sufficient. The description of the photo you posted says 0-60 CFH that should be enough flow. How high can you turn the dial to? I can see at least 15 in the photo.
The accumulation of CO2 comes from exhaling. Each time you exhale you release CO2 to the bag.
Seems if the bag does not come off it can succeed. My plan to deal with the convolutions is to sit in my car and fasten my seat belt.

A SaSu member advised me of this issue re the regulator I have.

I think I figured it out. The regulator you have is rated at a maximum of a maximum 1 cubic foot per minute which is a very low rate. That is the black knob turned up to the highest number. Your system is typically used in supplying inert gas for welding. The regulator I have is for gassing beer and it has a much higher flow rate. I'm using a food grade industrial cylinder and regulator combination. My system is very similar to a CO2 beer gassing system. I would like to think that a good flow rate of a 10 or 11 cubic feet per minute would be guaranteed to purge the exit bag and ensure death. All your other preparation work look really good and well done.

This regulator was used successfully by other people, but when I try it my flow isn't strong. It goes up to 60 but recommended by Final Exit was 30CFH. At 30CFH it takes a few minutes to slowly fill. Bag is big turkey bag. Am afraid even at 60 which they said shouldn't put it at as it will make gas run out faster it might not be strong enough as per what the person above advised. If I sit in regular chair with metal arms, how do I deal with convulsions? I have nowhere to hide. I don't want to get caught. I can't sit in a car. Tank too big to move. I am 95lbs now. I don't know what to do. What do I tie down? I can't tie my arms. I don't have straps or rope I have neckties at home. When does one stop breathing with nitrogen after you pass out. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. Please reply. I don't know how this person got info on regulator.

 

[wham311]

I would go with this method but lack the technical knowledge to build such a device, and given its lack of affordability, and the lack of available gases (in the US), this method...

It's too hard/expensive to go with this method. Where does one buy the supplies in the US?

People probably 'moved away' from inert gases because the method is too difficult and the supplies aren't available.

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[NegevChina]

Have under 1900psi of Nitrogen in 55cf cylinder. How many litres of Nitrogen is this? The regulator/flowmeter is in CFH.

A SaSu member advised me of this issue re the regulator I have.

I think I figured it out. The regulator you have is rated at a maximum of a maximum 1 cubic foot per minute which is a very low rate. That is the black knob turned up to the highest number. Your system is typically used in supplying inert gas for welding. The regulator I have is for gassing beer and it has a much higher flow rate. I'm using a food grade industrial cylinder and regulator combination. My system is very similar to a CO2 beer gassing system. I would like to think that a good flow rate of a 10 or 11 cubic feet per minute would be guaranteed to purge the exit bag and ensure death. All your other preparation work look really good and well done.

This regulator was used successfully by other people, but when I try it my flow isn't strong. It goes up to 60 but recommended by Final Exit was 30CFH. At 30CFH it takes a few minutes to slowly fill. Bag is big turkey bag. Am afraid even at 60 which they said shouldn't put it at as it will make gas run out faster it might not be strong enough as per what the person above advised. If I sit in regular chair with metal arms, how do I deal with convulsions? I have nowhere to hide. I don't want to get caught. I can't sit in a car. Tank too big to move. I am 95lbs now. I don't know what to do. What do I tie down? I can't tie my arms. I don't have straps or rope I have neckties at home. When does one stop breathing with nitrogen after you pass out. I don't know what to do. I don't know what to do. Please reply. I don't know how this person got info on regulator.

I'm sorry I dont have answers to your questions. Perhaps you can try finding answers in the threads that were posted here on SanSui using the search feature.