Important: Defending yourself against involuntary hospitalization

[hush hush]

I can help everyone defend themselves against involuntary hospitalization and forced drugging with legal arguments. The problem is that due to being a new member, I cannot contact administrators in order to pin the post, so that everyone can see it. You have many weapons under your belt, especially if you live in European and Black sea countries (48 countries in total). In the USA and Canada, it's more difficult unfortunately. I promise that with my arguments, legal and political weapons you will tie the hands of psychiatrists with the straightjacket they will try to put you in!

 

[°Celsuis_Caesar]

Better Call Saul

 

[Ta555]

You don't need your thread pinned. Post your info and if people respond positively to it they'll ask mods to pin it.

 

[RandomBeaver]

In my experience, unless you've got a lawyer, anything you say to hospital personnel is seen as foolish talk.

However, gathering resources about that would be a huge help.

 

[hush hush]

I can prepare a serious and elaborate post, I have asked some help from mods. Currently, there is no information on how to defend an involuntary hospitalization, but this is essential as ending up in hospital may be a fate worse than life (or death).

 

[wljourney]

Word of the day is "Grandeur".

Delusions, or false beliefs, comes in several types. Delusions of grandeur are one of the more common ones. It's when you believe that you have more power, wealth, smarts, or other grand traits than is true. Some people mistakenly call it "illusions" of grandeur.

Some delusions might be about events that possibly could have happened, but actually didn't or were exaggerated. Other delusions are clearly bizarre, such as insisting that an alien lives in your fridge.

 

[hush hush]

You have more legal tools than you think, I know what I am talking about...

 

[Al_stargate]

I'm interested as I am threatened with hospitalization frequently. I'm also from EU.

 

[FuneralCry]

It sounds so horrific being forced into a hospital. It is terrible the way that suicidal people are treated. I wish that we lived in a world where our right to die is respected instead.

 

[hush hush]

It sounds so horrific being forced into a hospital. It is terrible the way that suicidal people are treated. I wish that we lived in a world where our right to die is respected instead.

I agree, that's why we need to team up with the mods to prepare a new information thread. There are loopholes.

 

[Imissyoumydarling]

This is giving me some serious sovereign citizen vibes.

 

[Al Cappella]

Word of the day is "Grandeur".

Delusions, or false beliefs, comes in several types. Delusions of grandeur are one of the more common ones. It's when you believe that you have more power, wealth, smarts, or other grand traits than is true. Some people mistakenly call it "illusions" of grandeur.

Some delusions might be about events that possibly could have happened, but actually didn't or were exaggerated. Other delusions are clearly bizarre, such as insisting that an alien lives in your fridge.

I do have an alien living in my fridge…

 

[Imissyoumydarling]

If you have actual information then just post it. Instead of insisting you know all the secret passwords to things but you won't tell vulnerable people until you're given your own special pinned post.

 

[DynamicDepression]

I do have an alien living in my fridge…

Not even the Zeta Reticulans can escape the housing crisis.

 

[hush hush]

If you have actual information then just post it. Instead of insisting you know all the secret passwords to things but you won't tell vulnerable people until you're given your own special pinned post.

Warning this is applicable to 47 countries: https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/46-members-states
Albania, Andorra, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands, North Macedonia, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Republic of Moldova, Romania, San Marino, Serbia, Slovak Republic, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom and Russia

1. According to Declaration of Geneva which was adopted by the General Assembly of the World Medical Association in 1948, Doctors have agreed: "As member of the medical profession I will not use my medical knowledge to violate human rights and civil liberties, even under threat".
2. The right to suicide has been established through a case law in the European Court of Human Rights: "The Court considers that an individual's right to decide by what means and at what point his or her life will end, provided he or she is capable of freely reaching a decision on this question and acting in consequence, is one of the aspects of the right to respect for private life within the meaning of Article 8 of the Convention". (Haas vs Switzerland, paragraph 51)

HAAS v. SWITZERLAND [2011] ECHR 2422 (20 January 2011)

3.Therefore, if you are able to prove that the decision to commit suicide is based on a rational decision, you qualify for this provision, and any doctor or organisation that deprives you of liberty, violates human rights, and you are able to report them to the medical council or health ministry.
-The rational suicide criteria, according to Siegel (1986):
[(1) the individual possesses a realistic assessment of his (or her) situation, (2) the mental processes leading to his (or her) decision to commit suicide are unimpaired by psychological illness or severe emotional distress, and (3) the motivational basis of his (or her) decision would be understandable to the majority of uninvolved observers from his (or her) community or social group] (p. 407).

For example, if you wish to commit suicide due to your antinatalist, nihilistic, atheistic, promortalist and libertarian beliefs, or justify your decision in a clear manner, you can use these to defend your human rights.
4. The main problem is that mental illness is unfalsifiable, so if your doctor accuses you of being "depressed", because you are suicidal, there is no blood test or brain scan to prove that you are not depressed. That's why, it is so hard to defend your position.

Psychiatry as Pseudoscience

It is customary to define psychiatry as a medical specialty concerned with the study, diagnosis, and treatment of mental illnesses. This is a worthless and misleading definition. Mental illness is …

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5. Always report such incidents to Citizens Comission on Human Rights and look for your local branch

Citizens Commission on Human Rights, CCHR: Take Action, Get Involved in The Fight For Human Rights.

Find out how you can take action and get involved in the fight for human rights in the mental health field. The Citizens Commission on Human Rights, CCHR, provides many ways individuals can help. Get involved.

www.cchr.org

CCHR Global Locator: Citizens Commission on Human Rights

Locate the CCHR chapter nearest you anywhere on the globe. Get information regarding key issues relating to psychiatric/ mental health abuse in your area.

www.cchr.org

6. Always ask how you can appeal your involuntary hospitalization order, and threaten psychiatrists with legal action especially if they persist in force-drugging you. They cannot keep you forever. Making reports to Medical Council or health ministry is totally free in most cases, and enough to deter any psychiatrist with coerced treatment.

 

[Imissyoumydarling]

This is just giving false hope to people.

It would be nice if that were the case, but this is pure sov cit. You can't just cherry pick specific lines from different things and say that's my interpretation of the legal standard and anything I dislike is an abuse of human rights so I can try scare workers into doing what I want.

Sov cit beliefs prey on vulnerable people. This is gross.

 

[RandomBeaver]

I think I'm depressed.

 

[hush hush]

This is just giving false hope to people.

It would be nice if that were the case, but this is pure sov cit. You can't just cherry pick specific lines from different things and say that's my interpretation of the legal standard and anything I dislike is an abuse of human rights so I can try scare workers into doing what I want.

Sov cit beliefs prey on vulnerable people. This is gross.

It's not false hope, people who reside in Europe have the right to decide and any doctor who does not respect the wishes violates human rights, read this presentation from Dignitas, an assisted suicide organisation. This is not widely known to general public, but it's true. As if, I want to spread misinformation.

http://www.dignitas.ch/images/stories/pdf/diginpublic/referat-bristol-museum-26012016.pdf

I think I'm depressed.

There is no objective blood test or brain scan to prove either way, so whatever the psychiatrist says

 

[RandomBeaver]

Well, I don't know about European laws. That might be something worth defending. I just know that it doesn't work here (Canada). There are special provisions in the law to explicitly remove application of human rights for a specific time period.

I'm depressed anyway. Even good things make me depressed.

 

[hush hush]

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Well, I don't know about European laws. That might be something worth defending. I just know that it doesn't work here (Canada). There are special provisions in the law to explicitly remove application of human rights for a specific time period.

I'm depressed anyway. Even good things make me depressed.

I hope that it will be easy for your to request MAID in 2023 if this is what you want. In any case, start the procedure regardless so that you will have the option anytime, without having to observe a waiting period.

 

[RandomBeaver]

There is no objective blood test or brain scan to prove either way, so whatever the psychiatrist says

Yeah I know. But any physician or crisis operators (they're just social workers in fact) can lock you up to 72h without being accountable.

 

[hush hush]

Yeah I know. But any physician or crisis operators (they're just social workers in fact) can lock you up to 72h without being accountable.

Canada is just an observer state, so it is difficult to defend yourself against them. You can still cite the information from Council of Europe, and contact your local Citizens Commission on Human Rights to report abuse https://www.cchr.org/global-locator.html

I'm interested as I am threatened with hospitalization frequently. I'm also from EU.

The answer you need is here: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...lf-against-involuntary-hospitalization.90919/

 

[rationaltake]

The UK isn't in the EU any more.

 

[hush hush]

The UK isn't in the EU any more.

The European Convention on Human Rights is separate from European Union!

 

[rationaltake]

The European Convention on Human Rights is separate from European Union!

There is the question of mental capacity.

 

[hush hush]

There is the question of mental capacity.

There is no brain scan or blood test to prove the presence or the absence of mental capacity and that's why psychiatry is so dangerous for human rights:, since the right to suicide is a human right https://antilogicalism.com/2016/06/17/psychiatry-as-pseudoscience/

 

[Cathy Ames]

So there is no defense for people in the US, where an involuntarily hospitalized person may end up owing enough money to put them in an adverse financial position from which they may not ever recover.

 

[hush hush]

So there is no defense for people in the US, where an involuntarily hospitalized person may end up owing enough money to put them in an adverse financial position from which they may not ever recover.

Your only defense in the USA is this book Amazon product ASIN B006R5BDGCand this article: http://www.schaler.net/livinganddyingbyschalerLiberty082003.pdf
Also, always report such incidents to Citizens Comission on Human Rights and look for your local branch https://www.cchr.org/global-locator.html

 

[Al Cappella]

This is just giving false hope to people.

It would be nice if that were the case, but this is pure sov cit. You can't just cherry pick specific lines from different things and say that's my interpretation of the legal standard and anything I dislike is an abuse of human rights so I can try scare workers into doing what I want.

Sov cit beliefs prey on vulnerable people. This is gross.

I'm with you, this is complete bullshit. Anything that begins with "psychiatry is pseudoscience" shoots up giant red flags. This whole line is rubbish…

 

[wljourney]

Anyone who starts citing this will be involuntarily committed for assessment.
And to be honest, I'd probably support it.

This has major "QAnon Queen of Canada" vibes.

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