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Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
- Aug 12, 2019
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i researched the gun method for several years. then i asked ai and ai confirmed what i had thought. ai can read thousands of studies , forums, websites and arrive at a conclusion like i did. i asked ai: "what is the likelihood of a land animal surviving a head shot with a 150 grain bullet travelling at 3000 feet per second impact velocity . the shot is in the center of the head where the brain is ." also for a shotgun slug weight 1.25 ounces and 1500 feet per second impact velocity in the center of the head.
here is part of the answer for the rifle but the shotgun answer was very similar practically same outcome:
here is an answer from an ai and i didn't ask google ai cause it's the most censored and probably might even report me. ai says even a grazing shot is 0% survivable :
A 150-grain bullet traveling at 3000 fps (feet per second) — roughly 914 m/s — is a high-velocity rifle round (e.g., .308 Win, .270 Win, or 7mm-08 in hot loads). would be the very upper end of standard rifle velocities; true hyper-velocity starts closer to 4000+ fps).
For any land mammal (deer, elk, hog, bear, human, etc.), the likelihood of surviving a direct **brain hit** with this bullet is effectively **zero**.
If the bullet enters the braincase and the brain itself is struck at 3000 fps with a 150-grain projectile, survival probability is **0 %** for any land animal that has ever existed. Death is instantaneous (within 0–2 seconds at most).
### Why survival is essentially impossible:
- **Energy transfer**: A 150 gr bullet at 3000 fps carries ~3000–3200 ft-lbs of muzzle energy (depending on exact load). Even after some range loss, a head/brain shot still delivers 2000+ ft-lbs.
- **Hydrostatic shock & cavitation**: At these velocities, the temporary wound cavity in brain tissue is massive (often 10–20+ inches in diameter). Brain tissue is extremely fragile and does not tolerate this level of disruption.
- **Bullet construction matters slightly**:
- Expanding/soft-point/hollow-point (most hunting bullets): explodes inside the skull → immediate destruction of brainstem/cerebellum.
- Solid/FMJ (rarely used on game): still tumbles and fragments heavily in brain matter → same result.
- Documented real-world outcomes:
- Deer, elk, hogs, bears, African plains game, and humans all drop instantly or within 1–2 seconds on confirmed CNS (brain/spine) hits with this class of round.
- There are **no credible, verified cases** of a mammal surviving a direct brain shot with a centerfire rifle bullet of this power and velocity once the projectile fully penetrates the brain.
### Extremely rare exceptions (still not "survival" in any meaningful sense):
- Grazing hits that only clip the skull or scalp (not penetrating brain).
- Shots that pass through the jaw, nasal cavity, or neck without touching the brain.
- Very tough animals (e.g., large bears) with thick skulls that deflect or slow a marginal hit — but even then, if the brain is actually struck, the animal dies.
### Bottom line:
If the bullet **directly impacts and penetrates the brain** of any land mammal with a 150-grain bullet at ~3000 fps, survival probability is **< 0.1%** — essentially zero for all practical purposes. The animal is dead before it hits the ground.
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For a 150-grain rifle bullet striking the head at **3000 fps impact velocity** (i.e., the bullet is still moving 914 m/s when it hits the skull), the survival chance for **any land mammal** — from a rabbit to a grizzly bear — is effectively **zero** if the bullet actually penetrates and disrupts the brain.
### Why the outcome is the same or even more certain than at muzzle velocity:
- 3000 fps at impact means the shot was taken at very close range (under 100–150 yards for most .30-caliber cartridges), so the bullet has lost almost no energy or velocity.
- Kinetic energy at impact: ≈ 3000–3200 ft-lbs (exactly the same as muzzle energy for many factory loads).
- At this velocity, even heavily constructed bullets (CUP solids, FMJ, bonded hunting bullets) create massive temporary cavitation and hydrostatic shock in brain tissue. The brain is literally liquefied or shredded in a volume many times larger than the bullet diameter.
- The skull offers almost no meaningful resistance at this speed and energy; the bullet punches through and transfers virtually all its energy inside the cranium.
### Real-world data (hunting, military, forensic):
- Thousands of documented one-shot kills on deer, elk, moose, feral hogs, black bears, brown bears, African game (including buffalo and elephant when using proper tough bullets) with similar or lesser loads at close range — all instant or near-instant deaths on brain hits.
- Human forensic data (high-velocity rifle wounds to the head) show 100 % immediate incapacitation and 99+ % mortality when the brain is traversed.
- There are **zero verified cases** of any mammal (including the toughest — grizzly, cape buffalo, hippo on land) surviving a direct brain hit from a 150-grain bullet at 3000 fps impact velocity.
### Bottom line (unchanged from the previous answer, but even more emphatic):
If the bullet enters the braincase and the brain itself is struck at 3000 fps with a 150-grain projectile, survival probability is **0 %** for any land animal that has ever existed. Death is instantaneous (within 0–2 seconds at most).
In summary, across decades of documented euthanasia (tens of thousands of cases) and hunting (millions of harvests), no credible evidence exists of land animals surviving a centered brain shot at this velocity/power. Reflexive movements may occur for 1–5 seconds due to spinal cord firing, but these are not indicators of viability.
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that was part of an answer from ai. i went to an ai website and didn't log in to remain anonymous. i mistakenly asked in google ai and it said some really to me scary things like it couldn't provide such dangerous info or whatever. so i went to other ai websites which for now can answer such questions of "violence" or "hurtful" things.
the ai said not even a T-rex , elephant, bear could survive such a shot from a rifle or shotgun as i phrased it at that impact velocity and in the center of the head.
Imo where failures occur are mainly human errors in aiming or flinching before the shot. But imo with a lot of the right kind of practice every day can get the method to 99.9%
Even a handgun from a distance is usually deadly from a distance . A handgun might only have 400 ft lbs of energy. While the rifle and shotgun can have 3000 ft lbs of energy exploded into the brain = not survivable
A contact shot is more energy than from a distance and hot gasses exploded into the brain.
most animals hunted were from a distance but still there is not a case of animal or human surviving with this kind headshot and this kind rifle or shotgun with 3000 ft lbs impact energy or even 2500 or 2000 lbs impact energy
here is part of the answer for the rifle but the shotgun answer was very similar practically same outcome:
here is an answer from an ai and i didn't ask google ai cause it's the most censored and probably might even report me. ai says even a grazing shot is 0% survivable :
A 150-grain bullet traveling at 3000 fps (feet per second) — roughly 914 m/s — is a high-velocity rifle round (e.g., .308 Win, .270 Win, or 7mm-08 in hot loads). would be the very upper end of standard rifle velocities; true hyper-velocity starts closer to 4000+ fps).
For any land mammal (deer, elk, hog, bear, human, etc.), the likelihood of surviving a direct **brain hit** with this bullet is effectively **zero**.
If the bullet enters the braincase and the brain itself is struck at 3000 fps with a 150-grain projectile, survival probability is **0 %** for any land animal that has ever existed. Death is instantaneous (within 0–2 seconds at most).
### Why survival is essentially impossible:
- **Energy transfer**: A 150 gr bullet at 3000 fps carries ~3000–3200 ft-lbs of muzzle energy (depending on exact load). Even after some range loss, a head/brain shot still delivers 2000+ ft-lbs.
- **Hydrostatic shock & cavitation**: At these velocities, the temporary wound cavity in brain tissue is massive (often 10–20+ inches in diameter). Brain tissue is extremely fragile and does not tolerate this level of disruption.
- **Bullet construction matters slightly**:
- Expanding/soft-point/hollow-point (most hunting bullets): explodes inside the skull → immediate destruction of brainstem/cerebellum.
- Solid/FMJ (rarely used on game): still tumbles and fragments heavily in brain matter → same result.
- Documented real-world outcomes:
- Deer, elk, hogs, bears, African plains game, and humans all drop instantly or within 1–2 seconds on confirmed CNS (brain/spine) hits with this class of round.
- There are **no credible, verified cases** of a mammal surviving a direct brain shot with a centerfire rifle bullet of this power and velocity once the projectile fully penetrates the brain.
### Extremely rare exceptions (still not "survival" in any meaningful sense):
- Grazing hits that only clip the skull or scalp (not penetrating brain).
- Shots that pass through the jaw, nasal cavity, or neck without touching the brain.
- Very tough animals (e.g., large bears) with thick skulls that deflect or slow a marginal hit — but even then, if the brain is actually struck, the animal dies.
### Bottom line:
If the bullet **directly impacts and penetrates the brain** of any land mammal with a 150-grain bullet at ~3000 fps, survival probability is **< 0.1%** — essentially zero for all practical purposes. The animal is dead before it hits the ground.
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For a 150-grain rifle bullet striking the head at **3000 fps impact velocity** (i.e., the bullet is still moving 914 m/s when it hits the skull), the survival chance for **any land mammal** — from a rabbit to a grizzly bear — is effectively **zero** if the bullet actually penetrates and disrupts the brain.
### Why the outcome is the same or even more certain than at muzzle velocity:
- 3000 fps at impact means the shot was taken at very close range (under 100–150 yards for most .30-caliber cartridges), so the bullet has lost almost no energy or velocity.
- Kinetic energy at impact: ≈ 3000–3200 ft-lbs (exactly the same as muzzle energy for many factory loads).
- At this velocity, even heavily constructed bullets (CUP solids, FMJ, bonded hunting bullets) create massive temporary cavitation and hydrostatic shock in brain tissue. The brain is literally liquefied or shredded in a volume many times larger than the bullet diameter.
- The skull offers almost no meaningful resistance at this speed and energy; the bullet punches through and transfers virtually all its energy inside the cranium.
### Real-world data (hunting, military, forensic):
- Thousands of documented one-shot kills on deer, elk, moose, feral hogs, black bears, brown bears, African game (including buffalo and elephant when using proper tough bullets) with similar or lesser loads at close range — all instant or near-instant deaths on brain hits.
- Human forensic data (high-velocity rifle wounds to the head) show 100 % immediate incapacitation and 99+ % mortality when the brain is traversed.
- There are **zero verified cases** of any mammal (including the toughest — grizzly, cape buffalo, hippo on land) surviving a direct brain hit from a 150-grain bullet at 3000 fps impact velocity.
### Bottom line (unchanged from the previous answer, but even more emphatic):
If the bullet enters the braincase and the brain itself is struck at 3000 fps with a 150-grain projectile, survival probability is **0 %** for any land animal that has ever existed. Death is instantaneous (within 0–2 seconds at most).
In summary, across decades of documented euthanasia (tens of thousands of cases) and hunting (millions of harvests), no credible evidence exists of land animals surviving a centered brain shot at this velocity/power. Reflexive movements may occur for 1–5 seconds due to spinal cord firing, but these are not indicators of viability.
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that was part of an answer from ai. i went to an ai website and didn't log in to remain anonymous. i mistakenly asked in google ai and it said some really to me scary things like it couldn't provide such dangerous info or whatever. so i went to other ai websites which for now can answer such questions of "violence" or "hurtful" things.
the ai said not even a T-rex , elephant, bear could survive such a shot from a rifle or shotgun as i phrased it at that impact velocity and in the center of the head.
Imo where failures occur are mainly human errors in aiming or flinching before the shot. But imo with a lot of the right kind of practice every day can get the method to 99.9%
Even a handgun from a distance is usually deadly from a distance . A handgun might only have 400 ft lbs of energy. While the rifle and shotgun can have 3000 ft lbs of energy exploded into the brain = not survivable
A contact shot is more energy than from a distance and hot gasses exploded into the brain.
most animals hunted were from a distance but still there is not a case of animal or human surviving with this kind headshot and this kind rifle or shotgun with 3000 ft lbs impact energy or even 2500 or 2000 lbs impact energy
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