I'm still worried god will be mad at me for trying to escape early

[BlazingBob]

Growing up Catholic (nominally) we were taught unequivocally that suicides go straight to hell. Even though I'm 99 percent sure that's not the case and is just fear mongering, it still scares the living shit out of me. Childhood brainwashing can be tough to undo.

 

[Darkover]

religious indoctrination is a form of child abuse ever notice how most religious people inherit their religion from their parents

Religiously-based psychological abuse of children can involve using teachings to subjugate children through fear, or indoctrinating the child in the beliefs of their particular religion whilst suppressing other perspectives.
humanity has created 18,000 gods, goddesses and various animals or objects have been worshipped by humans
there is no god

 

[hevlalab]

Yes as a catholic I agree definitely. One of the 10 commandments is that thou shall not commit murder and suicide is essentially self-murder. I've seen different arguments to this. The whole main point of Christianity is sinning and forgiveness. So if committing suicide is a sin and you repent for this then surely it can be forgiven. And anyway it is said God welcomes those who have faith and accepted Jesus. If you die with these qualities then surely you'll be accepted into the gates of heaven. What if a persons choice to CTB is to be with God sooner or with a deceased loved one sooner? Religious people shouldn't be punished for suicide. After all God should have invented a world with no suffering yet there still is

 

[Deleted member 65988]

religious indoctrination is a form of child abuse ever notice how most religious people inherit their religion from their parents

Religiously-based psychological abuse of children can involve using teachings to subjugate children through fear, or indoctrinating the child in the beliefs of their particular religion whilst suppressing other perspectives.
humanity has created 18,000 gods, goddesses and various animals or objects have been worshipped by humans
there is no god

It's one of many things about humanity that I absolutely detest, to subject children to such an form of abuse and not even recognize it as such. The one reason why people believe in the God's they have and currently do is all due to social cohesion, it's easier to be part of the group when you adopt the same beliefs, culture and way of life.

 

[kelimackie]

I feel you, I still have doubts about actually doing it because I'm afraid I'll get punished some way. What helped me was having different religions perceptions in mind.

I read that in some ancient religions, you have absolute authority over your own life, and you can choose how and when to end it.

I don't buy into one god religions because it's often just design to benefit rich men, while keeping the sheep silent and obedient.

 

[FuneralCry]

It's just so horrible how people end up being brainwashed like that but the only hell that exists to me is this hellish world. I very strongly believe death to be nothing more than a dreamless and eternal sleep, we simply won't be able to experience anything at all which is so ideal to me.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Religions are man made and indoctrinated beliefs to control the masses of people by fear.

 

[Sprite_Geist]

Where is God whenever you are struggling @BlazingBob? Why is God not there when you need him/her/it the most? If an omnipotent being like God exists: they saw fit to throw you into a world rife with so much unnecessary suffering, and you had no decision in the matter. God should be in no position to punish you for wanting to leave an existence that you did not ask for.

This is not a criticism on your way of thinking, and I am not trying to say that it is easy to get rid of the religious fearmongering that you have experienced; I just thought that what I have said in the first paragraph might help to calm your nerves, and to not worry about eternal damnation. It is an attitude that I have adopted, and it certainly helps.

 

[SVEN]

Growing up Catholic (nominally) we were taught unequivocally that suicides go straight to hell. Even though I'm 99 percent sure that's not the case and is just fear mongering, it still scares the living shit out of me. Childhood brainwashing can be tough to undo.

Well, Samson not only killed himself, but murdered a whole shed load of other folk at the same time, after a lifetime of adultery and violence. And he gets mentioned as one of the "Heroes of the Faith" in Hebrews 11. If he was okay, why wouldn't you be ?

 

[Passersby]

Yeah it is concerning and brainwashing at the same time. I feel you. I just wish I had never been brought into this world in the first place and then we wouldn't even have to spend yrs or a whole lifetime thinking about it and suffering. The reality is that it's all speculation and nobody can know for sure what will happen after death.

 

[sash]

Hi. The way I see it if there is a god or gods, I hope they will have compassion and we can have a chat. I hope they would understand. If his beautiful animals can be put out of pain cos they are inhumanely suffering, why not us? If it is the god I will ask him why he was ok for his son who chose to give his life for others. Why cant we?
There are ppl who do such bad things to others, but those of them who believe in god dont feel guilt or fear for what they do! I would hope (if) god they would be angry at those ppl, not us who have had bad ppl or bad things happen to us.
Guilt is a way of keeping us controlled. It is a fear.
This is your life. Suffer here, suffer there, what a choice eh.
If there is a hell, maybe they'll put us ctbers in the same punish room, as far as I see on this site, it'll be a nice place for me.

 

[cosifantutti]

I'm Catholic too and I grew up believing in hell. I don't now but when I think of ctb I feel a bit uneasy.

My grandsons go to a Catholic school and I'm glad to say hell's never been mentioned and they're 11. If they were taught about hell I was quite prepared to ring the school and complain.

 

[BlazingBob]

Yeah it is concerning and brainwashing at the same time. I feel you. I just wish I had never been brought into this world in the first place and then we wouldn't even have to spend yrs or a whole lifetime thinking about it and suffering. The reality is that it's all speculation and nobody can know for sure what will happen after death.

Nobody knows what happens. What I do know is that my life is unbearable to the point of willing to take that risk. My body that god supposedly made is torturing me.

 

[AshClouds]

Growing up Catholic (nominally) we were taught unequivocally that suicides go straight to hell. Even though I'm 99 percent sure that's not the case and is just fear mongering, it still scares the living shit out of me. Childhood brainwashing can be tough to undo.

I should feel fortunate that I lack belief in any god or divine force, as it frees up my will to die.

 

[sserafim]

Yeah it is concerning and brainwashing at the same time. I feel you. I just wish I had never been brought into this world in the first place and then we wouldn't even have to spend yrs or a whole lifetime thinking about it and suffering. The reality is that it's all speculation and nobody can know for sure what will happen after death.

Literally! I hate the fact that I was brought into this world. I never even asked to be here in the first place. If guaranteed and effective ctb methods (VAS) were more accessible I would've been long gone.

 

[Per Ardua Ad Astra]

I'm not Catholic — but raised loosely as
Christian per family background/ school curriculum many moons ago

However — last year before my failed attempts — I found this legitimate/ highly respected Priest — and his kind empathetic words relieved my fears

— Please search : Father Ron Rolheiser online

— Then Use Search on his blog for : "suicide"

1. has written compassionately about suicide for decades — has also respectfully reported on suicides of his colleagues

2. I don't know or claim he's
"Pro- choice" — but he UNDERSTANDS

Eg —

"No different than cancer or heart disease of the soul" ;

'the soul wants what the soul wants' ;

"not a weakness nor immoral" … etc etc


3. every year he repeats / clarifies / adds new insights — based upon his personal/ professional experience

*4. Fr Ron clearly states official position of the Church / Bible = *suicide is NOT A SIN*

5. He seems to assist the surviving loved ones of suicide victims to understand ; not be ashamed + to celebrate— not stigmatize— > the gentle but wounded souls whose lives were — as worthy of equal love and remembrance— as a person lost to any other illness or accident

Hope this helps someone


PS : For his privacy and consideration—
PLEASE DO NOT post link to his site from SaSu — It would be a great loss to us all — if he got unwittingly entangled in the current public controversy — TY

@BlazingBob

 

[Ε. Η. R.]

If god existed, he would never punish a person for suicide.

 

[sserafim]

If god existed, he would never punish a person for suicide.

Yeah literally. I don't see why you would be punished for wanting to escape suffering, and be forced to endure even *more* suffering (in hell). This doesn't make any sense to me

 

[bungalow13]

Growing up Catholic (nominally) we were taught unequivocally that suicides go straight to hell. Even though I'm 99 percent sure that's not the case and is just fear mongering, it still scares the living shit out of me. Childhood brainwashing can be tough to undo.

Your not going to hell. Same up bringing has myself. The God of the bible is a desert storm God, mixed with another named L. That's the loving creation side, if you do die I hope yours and my spirit lives on, there's a higher power out there.

religious indoctrination is a form of child abuse ever notice how most religious people inherit their religion from their parents

Religiously-based psychological abuse of children can involve using teachings to subjugate children through fear, or indoctrinating the child in the beliefs of their particular religion whilst suppressing other perspectives.
humanity has created 18,000 gods, goddesses and various animals or objects have been worshipped by humans
there is no god

I can see.. alot of us have been hard wired to be slaves to this createor God. Look deep into the origins of Yahweh, (pagan) routes. Jewdasiam is pagan!! Thats makes than both muslim & christanity pagan. I still believe some where theres a specicies in existance who created us all, big bang just been disprovened.

Your not going to hell. Same up bringing has myself. The God of the bible is a desert storm God, mixed with another named L. That's the loving creation side, if you do die I hope yours and my spirit lives on, there's a higher power out there.

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

why? is there one? he/she created a world where you have to figure out how to ctb over and over? so a man and woman get together and somehow your soul gets stuffed inside?

 

[nptg5]

Growing up Catholic (nominally) we were taught unequivocally that suicides go straight to hell. Even though I'm 99 percent sure that's not the case and is just fear mongering, it still scares the living shit out of me. Childhood brainwashing can be tough to undo.

i second the others here who say this is a form of abuse and mind control - as you yourself recognize. all this stuff is just... all made up. it's literally unknowable. (shout out to the ppl participating in the thread i started where i questioned whether anything is actually real or not in the first place...)

it's so frustrating that we can have irrational beliefs wired into our brains, but that even if we *know* it's irrational, that's not enough to get it out of our brains.

on a slight tangent... i think it's so funny that as kids, we just accept society and the world around us pretty much as "given." over time, growing into adulthood, i gradually realized that all this shit - society, infrastructure, bureaucracy, everything - is just a bunch of shit made up by other people. some of it kind of works, some of it really doesn't - it's just a big, dumb, chaotic mess, because people are mostly kinda just making it up as they go along. even really smart people who are trying their best don't really know *that* much. i'm not sure if i have a point here. i guess it's late and i just feel like rambling...

 

[gbi2]

Growing up Catholic (nominally) we were taught unequivocally that suicides go straight to hell. Even though I'm 99 percent sure that's not the case and is just fear mongering, it still scares the living shit out of me. Childhood brainwashing can be tough to undo.

The film What Dreams May Come, starring Robin Williams kind of dealt with this dilemma.

Personally I have no beliefs so there isn't anything for me to talk about regarding this so what the film dealt with about death makes no difference to me and it wont be to everyone's agreement or satisfaction but it is a great film.