Discussion i’m skeptical of the “why ODs fail miserably” post

[twinfantasylover]

i feel like it's really misleading tbh, it's based on the LD50 values for the toxicity of the drug in animals, which 1) obviously can't be extrapolated to humans, and 2) toxicity isn't the thing that kills in the majority of overdoses. the majority of overdose deaths happen because of either respiratory depression or vomit asphyxiation, and this would happen WAYYYY before the toxicity of the drug would kill you. also, they only show values for the drugs on their own, which is stupid because taking multiple different depressants almost always causes them to potentiate eachother and make the depressant effects so much stronger, therefore lowering how much is needed to kill you. idk man maybe this is just the dunning-kruger effect but it really annoys me when people just immediately reply to every OD post with links to the same 2 posts without even thinking about it.

 

[Hime]

I agree. There's a reason why OD deaths (especially on opioids) are known to just happen without any thought. It's deceptively easy to take too much especially when you combine it with other depressants. One moment the effects are kicking in, the next you are nodding out and then... Bam! Respiratory depression. And if you're not in the recovery position, it will make it even more unlikely to live.

Now, I still think the SN protocol is better suited for ctb. But this path could also work for some, it just requires to be studied thoroughly similar to every other method.

 

[LaVieEnRose]

It's about probability and risk awareness.

 

[tempest_]

i knew someone who committed by od'ing on meds. it very much is possible. i don't know which exact meds they used, though.

i could've died last year after getting blackout drunk on effexor. i vomited in my sleep. if i had been laying on my back, i would've 100% choked on it and died.

 

[Forveleth]

... 2) toxicity isn't the thing that kills in the majority of overdoses. the majority of overdose deaths happen because of either respiratory depression or vomit asphyxiation,

Citation?

... because taking multiple different depressants almost always causes them to potentiate eachother and make the depressant effects so much stronger,

Citation?

There's a reason why OD deaths (especially on opioids) are known to just happen without any thought. It's deceptively easy to take too much especially when you combine it with other depressants.

Most people on this forum are not looking to OD on strong opioids and another depressant. They are trying to OD with whatever they have in their medicine cabinet, which most of the time is not going to do the job.

Most people come to this forum asking for methods that have a very high chance of killing them with very little pain and suffering. ODs have been shown to be highly unpredictable and usually involve at least some mild to moderate discomfort. Therefore, they do not fit what most people are looking for when they come here for information on how to kill themselves.

Even anecdotally on this site, there are many threads of people attempting or have attempted to kill themselves with a pill OD that all report failure and, occasionally, some pretty significant suffering. I always try to mention when posting to the OD failure thread that yes you can die from OD's but it is difficult to do so predictably.

 

[Hime]

Citation?

Citation?

Most people on this forum are not looking to OD on strong opioids and another depressant. They are trying to OD with whatever they have in their medicine cabinet, which most of the time is not going to do the job.

Most people come to this forum asking for methods that have a very high chance of killing them with very little pain and suffering. ODs have been shown to be highly unpredictable and usually involve at least some mild to moderate discomfort. Therefore, they do not fit what most people are looking for when they come here for information on how to kill themselves.

Even anecdotally on this site, there are many threads of people attempting or have attempted to kill themselves with a pill OD that all report failure and, occasionally, some pretty significant suffering. I always try to mention when posting to the OD failure thread that yes you can die from OD's but it is difficult to do so predictably.

Ahh yeah you're right. My brain defaulted to strong opioids and forgot to consider people trying to OD on e.g. antidepressants. It is really unreliable/sketchy to OD on any other "medication".