pento
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- Nov 12, 2021
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Hi. I'm pento. I was somewhat active in this forum a year or so back when I had those familiar suicidal thoughts. I had obtained N and intended on using it. Unfortunately, it has since been discarded by my ex-boyfriend. Fortunately, though, this provides me with a unique opportunity. As a completely resourceless (I have $0 to my name, not exaggerating, and I'm in five-figure debt) individual who is decently representative of a typical user of this site (21, LGBT, American), I thought I would accomplish a life goal of mine on my way out, helping others out of suffering.
My best (and arguably only guaranteed) option, due to inability of getting N or SN with no resources, is to VSED, which stands for Voluntarily Stop Eating and Drinking. When done in a hospital or other palliative-care setting, VSED is associated with little to no suffering due to the near-constant administration of pain medications, benzos, and other drugs to manage any negative symptoms that may arise. I have previously argued that this may just be the gold standard once N and SN availability becomes increasingly limited worldwide, and it has the benefit of requiring literally no resources (U.S. has universal healthcare in the form of Medicaid for low income people, and other wealthy countries have universal healthcare for all people) and being accessible at any time and any place. My post got some pushback, the main one of which being that the hospital would merely deem one mentally incompetent and force feed/hydrate them. I didn't seriously contest this assertion, because I have no experience to draw from to the contrary (whereas many, including myself, have been deemed mentally ill in many other settings).
My theory is that presenting to the hospital as a rational, non-obviously clinically mentally deficient, adult expressly with the intent of VSEDing in a palliative care setting would be met with outright acceptance at best, or hesitant acceptance (after some initial confusion due to it being unprecedented) at worst.
It is criminal assault and battery, and serious one at that, to force feed an individual. The sheer bodily violation required to accomplish this feat is enough to give anyone serious pause before even considering it, no? Medical providers are no different. They are aware and subject to the same laws as everyone else in this regard. Countless terminally ill or elderly patients, who could easily be forced otherwise by the way, VSED in the hospital. It's the only suicide method legal and easily accessible in all 50 states. I see no reason why an adult, who rationally simply doesn't enjoy their life, couldn't do the same.
But theory is only theory, a thorough search of the forum revealed zero documented cases of any young, physically healthy person actually attempting VSED in the hospital. No one, it appears, actually knows what would happen. In my mind, there are 3 plausible outcomes.
1. Ideally, they simply treat you as any other palliative patient and provide you with care to make VSEDing suffering-free. We all deserve this after the shit we've been through.
2. They reject admission outright or eject you from the hospital after you make your intention (and seriousness) clear.
3. They attempt to get you declared incompetent so they can force feed you.
Now, 2 is potentially scary, but I don't imagine this would be a profitable strategy on their part since you would continue to suffer physical effects of VSEDing like organ failure and pain that they would be actively refusing to treat. They would have to accept you as a patient on the sheer triage basis alone.
3 I simply don't think would be an effective strategy on their part. If I'm not mistaken, mental incompetency on a substantive basis is a legal matter that would have to be decided by the courts if contested. In America and other countries, you cannot simply be forced to have medical procedures (and certainly not force feeding) on the basis of appearing to have intent of ending your life.
I am going to be a test case and update you guys on here every step of the way, hopefully up to the point of my death. And I will quickly admit if I am wrong on these points if things don't work out as planned. Wish me luck!
My best (and arguably only guaranteed) option, due to inability of getting N or SN with no resources, is to VSED, which stands for Voluntarily Stop Eating and Drinking. When done in a hospital or other palliative-care setting, VSED is associated with little to no suffering due to the near-constant administration of pain medications, benzos, and other drugs to manage any negative symptoms that may arise. I have previously argued that this may just be the gold standard once N and SN availability becomes increasingly limited worldwide, and it has the benefit of requiring literally no resources (U.S. has universal healthcare in the form of Medicaid for low income people, and other wealthy countries have universal healthcare for all people) and being accessible at any time and any place. My post got some pushback, the main one of which being that the hospital would merely deem one mentally incompetent and force feed/hydrate them. I didn't seriously contest this assertion, because I have no experience to draw from to the contrary (whereas many, including myself, have been deemed mentally ill in many other settings).
My theory is that presenting to the hospital as a rational, non-obviously clinically mentally deficient, adult expressly with the intent of VSEDing in a palliative care setting would be met with outright acceptance at best, or hesitant acceptance (after some initial confusion due to it being unprecedented) at worst.
It is criminal assault and battery, and serious one at that, to force feed an individual. The sheer bodily violation required to accomplish this feat is enough to give anyone serious pause before even considering it, no? Medical providers are no different. They are aware and subject to the same laws as everyone else in this regard. Countless terminally ill or elderly patients, who could easily be forced otherwise by the way, VSED in the hospital. It's the only suicide method legal and easily accessible in all 50 states. I see no reason why an adult, who rationally simply doesn't enjoy their life, couldn't do the same.
But theory is only theory, a thorough search of the forum revealed zero documented cases of any young, physically healthy person actually attempting VSED in the hospital. No one, it appears, actually knows what would happen. In my mind, there are 3 plausible outcomes.
1. Ideally, they simply treat you as any other palliative patient and provide you with care to make VSEDing suffering-free. We all deserve this after the shit we've been through.
2. They reject admission outright or eject you from the hospital after you make your intention (and seriousness) clear.
3. They attempt to get you declared incompetent so they can force feed you.
Now, 2 is potentially scary, but I don't imagine this would be a profitable strategy on their part since you would continue to suffer physical effects of VSEDing like organ failure and pain that they would be actively refusing to treat. They would have to accept you as a patient on the sheer triage basis alone.
3 I simply don't think would be an effective strategy on their part. If I'm not mistaken, mental incompetency on a substantive basis is a legal matter that would have to be decided by the courts if contested. In America and other countries, you cannot simply be forced to have medical procedures (and certainly not force feeding) on the basis of appearing to have intent of ending your life.
I am going to be a test case and update you guys on here every step of the way, hopefully up to the point of my death. And I will quickly admit if I am wrong on these points if things don't work out as planned. Wish me luck!
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