if you are dumb, you're done

[Doom]

Because no one has the patience to deal with unintelligent people. Without flashy traits, everyone will judge you. They will start blaming you for all the problems that plague you, because they think that lack of intelligence is purely the individual's fault, they never come to the conclusion that it is not our fault we have low IQ, it depends more on genetics and the environment in which we grew up. We can't just wake up one day and be as efficient as normal or intelligent people - Especially when that deficiency leads to other problems like depression and low self esteem.

There is no merit in intelligence. The world's geniuses didn't have to work hard to have the IQ they have. They were born with such high potential and all they did was take advantage of their high cognitive abilities to learn things they were already capable of learning all along.

The most intelligent people tend to be the most judgmental as well. They become proud of their intelligence, which is just a benefit they won in life's lottery, and go around spitting phrases of motivation and meritocracy - and they use those same phrases to judge those who didn't win like them.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Because no one has the patience to deal with unintelligent people. Without flashy traits, everyone will judge you. They will start blaming you for all the problems that plague you, because they think that lack of intelligence is purely the individual's fault, they never come to the conclusion that it is not our fault we have low IQ, it depends more on genetics and the environment in which we grew up. We can't just wake up one day and be as efficient as normal or intelligent people - Especially when that deficiency leads to other problems like depression and low self esteem.

There is no merit in intelligence. The world's geniuses didn't have to work hard to have the IQ they have. They were born with such high potential and all they did was take advantage of their high cognitive abilities to learn things they were already capable of learning all along.

The most intelligent people tend to be the most judgmental as well. They become proud of their intelligence, which is just a benefit they won in life's lottery, and go around spitting phrases of motivation and meritocracy - and they use those same phrases to judge those who didn't win like them.

It's hard to believe you're talking about yourself because the writings you just put forward in your OP are coherent, well structured, and argumentatively sound. Dumb people would not be able to write like this. Have you really, truly looked at how many people write, with bad sentence structure, misspellings, incorrect grammar, illogical arguments, etc?

 

[jessisme]

Because no one has the patience to deal with unintelligent people. Without flashy traits, everyone will judge you. They will start blaming you for all the problems that plague you, because they think that lack of intelligence is purely the individual's fault, they never come to the conclusion that it is not our fault we have low IQ, it depends more on genetics and the environment in which we grew up. We can't just wake up one day and be as efficient as normal or intelligent people - Especially when that deficiency leads to other problems like depression and low self esteem.

There is no merit in intelligence. The world's geniuses didn't have to work hard to have the IQ they have. They were born with such high potential and all they did was take advantage of their high cognitive abilities to learn things they were already capable of learning all along.

The most intelligent people tend to be the most judgmental as well. They become proud of their intelligence, which is just a benefit they won in life's lottery, and go around spitting phrases of motivation and meritocracy - and they use those same phrases to judge those who didn't win like them.

Agreed.

 

[WhiteRabbit]

I've always been very envious of people with high intelligence. I struggled in school and couldn't pass the right math classes to get into college. It's been a source of shame for me for a long time. I also wish I could write as eloquently as some people on this site can. I have trouble putting my thoughts into words, but that may be partly due to a medication I have to take.

 

[Doom]

It's hard to believe you're talking about yourself because the writings you just put forward in your OP are coherent, well structured, and argumentatively sound. Dumb people would not be able to write like this. Have you really, truly looked at how many people write, with bad sentence structure, misspellings, incorrect grammar, illogical arguments, etc?

I repeat many words in the same sentence and I have difficulties in keeping a line of reasoning in my arguments , constantly get lost between them. I almost never manage to express my thoughts in words.

I see many people here writing so well it makes me feel like a child next to them. Often I can't even process what they say and can't respond on the same level.

I'm definitely below average. Even if I were average, I would still be unhappy about it, because in the world we live in, you can only live well by excelling at something, not just being another ant in the anthill.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I repeat many words in the same sentence and I have difficulties in keeping a line of reasoning in my arguments , constantly get lost between them. I almost never manage to express my thoughts in words.

I see many people here writing so well it makes me feel like a child next to them. Often I can't even process what they say and can't respond on the same level.

I'm definitely below average. Even if I were average, I would still be unhappy about it, because in the world we live in, you can only live well by excelling at something, not just being another ant in the anthill.

I stand by what I said. There is nothing wrong with your writings, and I would wager that you demonstrate intellect in other areas, as well. Oftentimes, we are our own worst critics.

 

[FuneralCry]

This is very true. The reality is that there is nothing fair about this life in any way which is why I believe that never existing at all is the way better option (if only we had a say in this). But yes, I've always had very low intelligence and it's just the way that I am, I'm not meant for existing in every single way. But I've never desired being so smart or anything like that, I just want to not exist, I only envy dead people. Those who are all so arrogant about their intelligence are irritating to me as well. But yes, those people who think that effort can achieve anything are so deluded, no luck determines everything in this world and so many people will suffer more than others through no fault of their own.

 

[𖣴 nadia 𖣴]

the writings you just put forward in your OP are coherent, well structured, and argumentatively sound. Dumb people would not be able to write like this. Have you really, truly looked at how many people write, with bad sentence structure, misspellings, incorrect grammar, illogical arguments, etc?

Grammar, structure, and spelling etc aren't always good indicators of intelligence, I'm thinking of people who have dyslexia, people whose native language isn't English and people who have different dialects. This is why some people argue that this is an elitist way of measuring intelligence. Other things like medication, mental health, and brain fog also affect how articulate and coherent someone comes across. A lot of factors can hinder someone's ability to express themselves, so I think content is more important than style of writing.

 

[Winterreise]

If you see a light in the dark, it's my lack of interlect

 

[Pluto]

I've always copped this, too. As a young adult I tried to learn as much as I could to overcome it, but I still always felt too slow and dull to keep up with normal social situations.

The only thing I can add is that we could replace the word 'intelligence' with 'looks', 'money/status' or 'personality/confidence'. Life only goes down the loo when we either have an extreme deficit in at least one category, or a substandard overall score. Normies cannot relate.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Grammar, structure, and spelling etc aren't always good indicators of intelligence, I'm thinking of people who have dyslexia, people whose native language isn't English and people who have different dialects. This is why some people argue that this is an elitist way of measuring intelligence. Other things like medication, mental health, and brain fog also affect how articulate and coherent someone comes across. A lot of factors can hinder someone's ability to express themselves, so I think content is more important than style of writing.

I understand your point, but your point is predicated on someone not writing well. My comment was based upon some who does write well. Of course, in all the examples you indicate, not being able to write well would be a poor indicator of intelligence.

The OP writes very well, though. My comments are based upon that. Surely, you wouldn't consider someone who writes well as being unintelligent, would you?

 

[wantittoendsoon]

Does anyone else feel like me, I am very book smart but damn have I done a lot of stupid shit to mess up my life.

 

[𖣴 nadia 𖣴]

Surely, someone who does write well would not be considered as having low-intelligence, would they?

Writing well is about the ability to express the thoughts, feelings, and ideas that are in your head. It doesn't necessarily follow that those thoughts and ideas are intelligent. For example, someone could articulately write narrow-minded and ignorant statements or opinions about something they have little knowledge of. I guess we'd have to go down the rabbit hole of defining what intelligence is and the different types of intelligence but imo, you can be articulate but also lack critical thinking skills, intellectual humility, reflection, and have a tendency for dichotomous thinking.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Writing well is about the ability to express the thoughts, feelings, and ideas that are in your head. It doesn't necessarily follow that those thoughts and ideas are intelligent. For example, someone could articulately write narrow-minded and ignorant statements or opinions about something they have little knowledge of. I guess we'd have to go down the rabbit hole of defining what intelligence is and the different types of intelligence but imo, you can be articulate but also lack critical thinking skills, intellectual humility, reflection, and have a tendency for dichotomous thinking.

If you'd like to tell the OP that they are still stupid, even though they are able to express their thoughts in a clear and concise manner, be my guest.

 

[𖣴 nadia 𖣴]

If you'd like to tell the OP that they are still stupid, even though they are able to express their thoughts in a clear and concise manner, be my guest.

None of my comments were about the OP, they were just general comments pointing out that measuring intelligence in this way can be superficial and exclusionary.

 

[leeloosnow]

lack of education is not the same as lack of intelligence. the amount of self awareness portrayed in OP and below are indicative of a level of intelligence far above avg. there are different types of intelligence, many things i don't know fuck all about but i'm not stupid. i'm sure there's someone comparatively better than me in every category, but again, i'm not stupid. neither are you.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

It's hard to believe you're talking about yourself because the writings you just put forward in your OP are coherent, well structured, and argumentatively sound. Dumb people would not be able to write like this. Have you really, truly looked at how many people write, with bad sentence structure, misspellings, incorrect grammar, illogical arguments, etc?

Does bad sentence structure misspelling an incorrect grammar define intelligence?

 

[Lost Magic]

I am actually rebelling against the system anyway. Fuck their education. It will be of no use to me when I am gone. I did learn one big thing though, the world is a delusional shit show. Is that enough? Good!

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Does bad sentence structure misspelling an incorrect grammar define intelligence

I think this discussion would be more appropriate in the Off Topic Forum.

 

[Doom]

Writing well is about the ability to express the thoughts, feelings, and ideas that are in your head. It doesn't necessarily follow that those thoughts and ideas are intelligent. For example, someone could articulately write narrow-minded and ignorant statements or opinions about something they have little knowledge of. I guess we'd have to go down the rabbit hole of defining what intelligence is and the different types of intelligence but imo, you can be articulate but also lack critical thinking skills, intellectual humility, reflection, and have a tendency for dichotomous thinking.

I think theres a margin between ignorance and intelligence . Intelligence is your natural ability to absorb information in a shorter amount of time and use that information as efficiently as possible. While ignorance has to do with lack of experience. People with extremely high IQs can put together absurdly idiotic writing, simply because they haven't experienced the side they're criticizing.

However, I think writing skills and intelligence go hand in hand. It's hard to imagine someone who is extremely eloquent and knowledgeable about grammar to be a low IQ. I've tried to study languages, but I just can't absorb that many rules. It's so draining trying to learn something when your brain just won't work.
And of course my writing is nothing special, so much so that I always got absurdly low grades in writing classes.

I think people calling me smart here are being too optimistic about me. I've been called smart several times, all the people who called me that were disappointed and today they consider me a big imbecile when they realized I was a good at nothing.

 

[TakeMeBack07]

i feel it makes a lot of things redundant. i can easily and quickly become overwhelmed by information and not recover. it made studying arduous, impossible in some important classes so i failed them, most of the time, my thoughts are incoherent, boring and unoriginal. to make things worse, i have shit social skills and anxiety that arises in conversation. no social life, no career, no education. i'm done.

 

[MideonNViscera]

I disagree. I've known plenty of "dumb" people in my life, mostly through work, but as long as they are good people we all treat them with respect and do our best to help them along.

Sure, I wouldn't want to be less intelligent than my other problems have made me, but it's hardly a death sentence. Lots of dumb people make it pretty far if they don't have other things holding them back.

 

[Doom]

I disagree. I've known plenty of "dumb" people in my life, mostly through work, but as long as they are good people we all treat them with respect and do our best to help them along.

Sure, I wouldn't want to be less intelligent than my other problems have made me, but it's hardly a death sentence. Lots of dumb people make it pretty far if they don't have other things holding them back.

What kind of work did they do? if it's a repetitive job that doesn't require any level of intellect, then yes, people won't complain about me. But since my life demands more than that, judgments are inevitable.

 

[MideonNViscera]

What kind of work did they do? if it's a repetitive job that doesn't require any level of intellect, then yes, people won't complain about me. But since my life demands more than that, judgments are inevitable.

Various stuff, although I have seen some really dumb people somehow manage to make a living with complex office work. Like I said though, they get lots of help.

How does your life demand more? Is it you putting these pressures on yourself, or others?

 

[Doom]

Various stuff, although I have seen some really dumb people somehow manage to make a living with complex office work. Like I said though, they get lots of help.

if they can perform complex activities and live well with it, i doubt they are dumb.

How does your life demand more? Is it you putting these pressures on yourself, or others?

because I don't want to be a wage slave. Sure, I could easily keep a job like that, but I don't accept a life of slavery.
only jobs from the government are good, but for that I'd need at least above average intelligence, because the fierce competition.
I'm tired of everyone throwing heavy judgments on me, because I can't be good at the things they ask me to be and the things I need for my living.

 

[MideonNViscera]

Dude, you're selling yourself short. Trust me, these people are stupid as fuck that I have worked with.

You ever deal with a government employee? They're really nothing special.

Here's the most important thing I can tell you about the working world. It's not how smart you are, it's how smart you can make a few people think you are until they hire you.

None of us want to be wage slaves, but in some form we're all going to be. I have been my whole life. Want to know something though? I have always been more content doing manual labour than I ever was using Excel and managing personalities.

Have you ever considered working on an oil rig? The money can be good, and pretty much all you need to learn is safety, which is 90% common sense with a bit of practical experience. If you really think you can only handle simple work, that is the way to go. You can provide for your family as if you went to college and became a marketing manager or some shit, but you just show up and do your job and don't stress about it.

I consider myself very dumb now as well, because I can't focus or handle stress anymore. My plan was to go to be rigs and make triple the money I made doing my "smart jobs". Shit happened that has put that on hold at best, impossible maybe, but if you're young there's nothing holding you back. I have taken the courses, they are not difficult. You can pass them for sure.

I know you're really just venting and not exactly looking for advice, but I don't want you killing yourself just because you didn't know your options either.

 

[𖣴 nadia 𖣴]

I think theres a margin between ignorance and intelligence . Intelligence is your natural ability to absorb information in a shorter amount of time and use that information as efficiently as possible. While ignorance has to do with lack of experience. People with extremely high IQs can put together absurdly idiotic writing, simply because they haven't experienced the side they're criticizing.

However, I think writing skills and intelligence go hand in hand. It's hard to imagine someone who is extremely eloquent and knowledgeable about grammar to be a low IQ. I've tried to study languages, but I just can't absorb that many rules. It's so draining trying to learn something when your brain just won't work.
And of course my writing is nothing special, so much so that I always got absurdly low grades in writing classes.

I think people calling me smart here are being too optimistic about me. I've been called smart several times, all the people who called me that were disappointed and today they consider me a big imbecile when they realized I was a good at nothing.

Don't want to derail the thread any further, but I think there's more to intelligence than just absorbing and using information and I don't think you need experience to not remain ignorant about topics because we have easy access to so much information. I guess this would be a better example - someone may write in a style which is grammatically correct and eloquent but their content is unoriginal, uncreative, and lacking depth, nuance or insight. On the other hand, someone might be capable of coming up with unique ideas, solutions and inventions but can't write or speak well.

While there is a connection, I think grammar and writing is more a measure of education, it's more reflective of a person's schooling and upbringing rather than their intelligence. We'll probably have to agree to disagree on this since we're probably thinking of different types of intelligence here, but I can relate to not being able to concentrate and learn anymore. I think you're being too hard on yourself, it sounds like you have to deal with unhealthy amounts of pressure and competition, if there are other options you can explore for education and work, it might be worth trying those to prevent burnout.

 

[Nowako]

Because no one has the patience to deal with unintelligent people. Without flashy traits, everyone will judge you. They will start blaming you for all the problems that plague you, because they think that lack of intelligence is purely the individual's fault, they never come to the conclusion that it is not our fault we have low IQ, it depends more on genetics and the environment in which we grew up. We can't just wake up one day and be as efficient as normal or intelligent people - Especially when that deficiency leads to other problems like depression and low self esteem.

There is no merit in intelligence. The world's geniuses didn't have to work hard to have the IQ they have. They were born with such high potential and all they did was take advantage of their high cognitive abilities to learn things they were already capable of learning all along.

The most intelligent people tend to be the most judgmental as well. They become proud of their intelligence, which is just a benefit they won in life's lottery, and go around spitting phrases of motivation and meritocracy - and they use those same phrases to judge those who didn't win like them.

I agree about the fact that the environment and circumstances in which you grow up have a colossal impact on what you have in your head. And yes, probably stupid parents will raise a stupid child but that doesn't mean that the child will always be unintelligent. Changing the environment and the people around can change a person completely. Of course, as you write, everything takes time.

 

[ForeverLonely82]

It's true. Both of parents lack smarts thus passed it on to me. I used to care about being to the point that I am smarter than them two put together, but still have low intelligence. When talking to someone I can't think of words. My brain has a seizure and I get annoyed because the word or phrase escapes me. My wife thinks I've gotten not exactly smarter, but bolder after leaving home. I used to hold myself back, worrying about hurting others, but now it's like I am a razor blade when you piss me off. Made people cry, while I show off that cold stare I'm known for. Thing is I still don't like to hurt people, but I'll be damn if I let someone do the same to me. I am not smart enough to de-escalate a situation, always go allow the fists do the talking. Always failed at school. Never had book smarts, but street smarts to a degree, but that does jack shit when it comes to the real world unless your on the streets surviving day to day. I really wish I was part of a better family. One that was smart, loving and didn't give me this cursed existence. Smart enough to carve a better path, I hear it all the time "But you can just do X,Y,X" and I mean this with all sincerity. Unless you're in this body with this brain...you'll NEVER understand.

 

[godhelpme313]

I'm going to do what I'm socially unpermitted to do and claim high intelligence. In high school I dropped out my sophomore year, went into my GED on drugs, and scored 99th percentile math, 99th percentile science, 96th percentile reading, 94th percentile writing. Also I am summa cum laude, 2.5 years straight A's in upper division courses, phi beta kappa, senior thesis and oral defense, etc. I'm a self-taught engineer and became the youngest technical director of a medium sized organization at 31 just by intelligently talking my way up. It was like a game for me. I won't tell you about my side hobbies, but I'm pretty much a savant.

Intelligent people seem to be the most unhappy. It's a terrible, tremendous burden to always "see" things that others don't. I am seemingly endlessly promoted but I have to quit jobs after 6 months because they realize that I "see" too much. They start to share their confidential information with me, ask me who to hire and fire, and really me to solve the biggest challenges for them. Business will love you because they want to capitalize. But that's about it. In dating and social relationships, you'll be awkward. People won't understand you. It's lonely at the top. I take drugs to "lobotomy" myself so I can see the world like others. I used to go to work blackout drunk as a director of engineering... And people still followed my direction. I can't relate to people because what's on my mind is the latest original idea I have on "Hegelian brain" or other esoteric things that world require hour long conversations just to get people up to speed to receive my input. I spend most my life in imaginary dialogues with philosophers. Its like talking to yourself alone all day, month and years long. It's truly aloneness. And in today's "humble" society you can't reveal yourself or what you're thinking about. I probably should be in some think-tank military or private sector, or where the other savants are, but I never found them.

I see a lot of happy low intelligence people. They don't care about what they don't see. I think what matters in this life is your relationships with others. People often want my brain, but they don't want anything to do with me. I'm pretty much rich, I get job offers in 5 minutes or less, and will be forever employable. But I still drive to firearm stores and look at 45 calibres. There are African tribes where people can't even write their own names and they smiling and laughing.

If you're claiming low intelligence, then let me "educate" you that intelligence does not solve anything. I hope that's not talking down on you. I met this guy in church years ago. He must've been in the 60 IQ range. Barely functioning. The way he talked about overcoming his addiction! Truly brilliant. What's weird is the high and low intelligence people seem to really "understand" each other. The people in the middle of the curve seem to like to hang out with others in the middle too.

Many intelligent people feel guilty and take drugs to diminish themselves, like I do. They feel bad they got a "gift" that others didn't. My brother is homeless. Why? I don't know, but my high powered brain sure loves to punish me over it. And yes I agree, intelligent people are snooty. People don't like my intelligence. They stay away, get suspicious when they see it. Unless they can use it for their personal advantage like increase their business revenue or fix their security model.

I think in life, things look good when you don't have them. The married people wish they were single. The single people wished they were married. The younger people wished they were older. The older people wished they were younger. It seems to be nature's way. We only focus on the benefits and not the negatives. Like, wow it must be so great to be me, that they fly me around the country everywhere and keep offering me more money. But it's not so easy to see how alienated and separated I am from everybody, and how my brain is like a high maintenance dog that needs 6 hour walks everyday. I'm like a genius who wants to cut his own ear off... Often simply batshit crazy to people, because they don't understand my mental trainings.