If reincarnation in some form were scientifically proven beyond doubt, what do you think that would do to the suicide rate?

[GoingAwayParty]

If it were known with absolute certainty that death led simply to more life, do you think more people would CTB as a gamble?

 

[FuneralCry]

I think that the suicide rate would maybe decrease, as people would not do it out of the fear that the next life would be a lot worse, but maybe it would not have that much of an impact on the suicide rates, as if reincarnation was proven to exist, we would have to face it one day no matter what, if we decide to ctb or not. Reincarnation sounds so horrible to me. I am pleased that it is not proven to exist.

 

[WorthlessTrash]

It would not deter me personally. If anything, it would make me more eager to do it.

 

[Graytaichi]

It would mix up my mind. The world is hellish already why should there be ..

 

[Hercules]

I think that the suicide rate would go up. If people knew that reincarnation was real, and their life was really bad, they might be more willing to ctb and take a gamble that their next life would be better than this one. If their next life is worse than this one, they could just keep ctb until they get a life that they like.

 

[Glowarm]

I think the rate would sky rocket! Don't like how this life is going, just trade it in for another. Keep trading until you find the perfect one. Right now there is a factor of unknown when someone dies. Take away the unknown and I think people would be very open to it

 

[Starylain001]

Spirituality says that in the next life you will face similar circumstances that drove you to suicide until you pass the lesson.
If its so, I will rather stay here as a earthbound spirit than go to the light where I will rest a bit and then come back to earth as a worse cripple than I already am.

 

[OldDrummer]

There's enough empirical research by Dr. Brian Weiss and Dr. Ian Stevenson to prove that it's real.

 

[JamieJambo]

I believe in reincarnation and an afterlife. I have heard mixed things about what happens to a soul after taking their own life.

Some say that actually you can go straight back to god being all loving and others say that the suffering of being violently extracted from your body is a suffering beyond imaginable.

Because of the second image I can't go through with it. I have made some pretty bad mistakes here on earth and I am scared of making a nother bad mistake as I am leaving.

That keeps me here

 

[.............]

If reincarnation was definite, I'd rather take the chance and get a new life. If I end up bad in that next life's future, at least the possibility of being a dumb kid is there.

 

[Wizard999666]

It's difficult to kill yourself either way. I personally believe in reincarnation because I view the world as a game. You wouldn't design a game that destines someone to hell for just one life, and that's it. There has to be ups and downs. I have trouble with killing myself despite my beliefs.

 

[Al_stargate]

If reincarnation were to be proven real, then karma might as well be real, and I would believe suicide has a karmic consequence. So, in that way one would trade one bad position for another perhaps worse.

 

[GoingAwayParty]

Spirituality says that in the next life you will face similar circumstances that drove you to suicide until you pass the lesson

There are different kinds of reincarnation, though. Buddhist rebirth isn't really reincarnation; all it says is that the conditions of life (suffering and need) recur.

 

[loststar]

I think a lot of people would stick around rather tham ctb. When presented with two probable bad out comes, its better the devil you know.
Having said that id personaly take the risk

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Definitely would tempt me to do it. I see it as drawing a new hand from a deck of cards.

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

Definitely would tempt me to do it. I see it as drawing a new hand from a deck of cards.

i like your username and i agree yes life is just playing the cards we are dealt.

also your signature, you may not be a cis gender woman but you can still be a woman.

you can dress in womans clothes, wear makeup, have a woman name , get sex reassignment surgery etc.

you are valid and a woman❤

 

[WorthlessTrash]

i like your username and i agree yes life is just playing the cards we are dealt.

also your signature, you may not be a cis gender woman but you can still be a woman.

you can dress in womans clothes, wear makeup, have a woman name , get sex reassignment surgery etc.

you are valid and a woman❤

I really hate that you brought this up lol, because I feel the need to defend my position on why I would rather CTB than go through any of that and it will make me come off as transphobic even though it is not my intention, so I will put a disclaimer as follows:

DISCLAIMER: NONE OF WHAT I SAY SHOULD HAVE ANY IMPACT ON HOW OTHER DYSPHORIC PEOPLE SHOULD FEEL. THESE ARE MY PERSONAL FEELINGS ABOUT MYSELF AND SHOULD NOT INFLUENCE HOW OTHERS FEEL ABOUT THEMSELVES AND VICE VERSA.

I've heard that time and time again. I want boobs, I want a vagina, I want to experience pms (as terrible as it can be), I wanted to go through puberty as a female and I wanted to never have certain body parts between my legs and not have ever seen them.

I respect what you're trying to do, but I'm on the internet so I definitely have been made aware of those things (through reddit, google, therapy etc.). There's a reason why I specify "cis" in my signature. It's all or nothing for me and I respect that for some people, they see themselves as such when identifying as such, but I don't feel that way. Complete transitioning is also a 5-7 year process which depending on when you start and what you want out of it will not provide adequate results so it is not worth it for me. I also don't have it in me mentally to last long. Can't even look forward to simple things that are a week away, much less something that will have questionable results for me (due to genetics and testosterone) 5+years down the line.

The fact is on the outside I am a hairy faced, hairy chested, hairy arm pitted 300 lbs masculine dude, which grosses me out. There is no essence of female there. Even if I identified as a woman, I wouldn't socially be one. If I found a woman who was lesbian (This is just an example as to why identifying doesn't seem like it'd work for me) that I liked, no way would she liked me back. If I was a cis female lesbian, I wouldn't even date someone who looked like me despite what they identified as. The external is just as important as the internal, because the external is what myself looking in the mirror, and other people will notice. Besides, along with it being a 5-7 year process that is potentially costly, I would have to take extra steps on maintenance on the new body + be on hormones for the rest of my life. Not something I want to go through.

I also refer to my issue as sex dysphoria, because gender dysphoria would be too simplified given how complex my feelings are. I wanted to have to been born the right sex from the get go and cannot accept anything less. It is one of the reasons why CTB is the only viable option for myself and why I have decided that it is only a matter of time before I CTB. Like as I would do if I had cancer or some other life threatening illness, I am choosing not to treat my dysphoria caused depression and am at peace with the depression eventually killing me There is no cure for me, and I am fine with that. I'd just rather die than be content with being a male or going through a tedious 5-7 year process in transitioning. Just my personal feelings as to myself :/

Also, thank you about the username, but I thought of a better one that I will switch to when I am able to change names and if I am still alive by then

 

[whatevs]

The religious beliefs behind the idea of reincarnation include the belief that suicide will land you in a worse life so if it was proven people would do it less, not more.

 

[GoingAwayParty]

The religious beliefs behind the idea of reincarnation include the belief that suicide will land you in a worse life so if it was proven people would do it less, not more.

I'm talking about something more like this ITT.

 

[Shu]

The religious beliefs behind the idea of reincarnation include the belief that suicide will land you in a worse life so if it was proven people would do it less, not more.

I resonate more with what the Egyptians believed.

 

[whatevs]

I'm talking about something more like this ITT.

Believe me, we're buddies, I spend some time every week arguing with materialists in this site, but I didn't find the content compelling. You need to first explain why one perspective would jump to a completely unrelated or distant one once you die. Perhaps I need to read more about this Subjective Continuation thingy and I'm missing something.

I typically use vague ontological philosophy as a starting point for my arguments, for example, why I think reincarnation might be happening in some form is because there's obviously an intent or force that exists before existence, which is what PROPELS existence to manifest, and it stands to reason this intent will return to a similar state than it had before birth when you die, which was NOT nothingness, since nothingness cannot propel existence or cause anything to happen in general.

RNA seems to be a physical manifestations of this mysterious will or intent behind life but it has always existed in some form, energetic or material.

 

[GoingAwayParty]

The argument is that consciousness at the point of death is the simplest possible state consciousness could be in - analogous to consciousness at the point of conception.

 

[MicropBaldCurrycel]

The fact is on the outside I am a hairy faced, hairy chested, hairy arm pitted 300 lbs masculine dude, which grosses me out. There is no essence of female there.

I mean Estrogen actually combats all this, it Feminizes the entire body and hormone system ...

you wont be masculine anymore.

there would be changes in fat distribution to the hips and thighs, breast development, and Hair Growth.

Your skin would become soft and scent would also become feminine.

You would grow breasts.

Your muscles will shrink and your testicles will shrink.

Your entire androgen production would stop.

While this is not perfect its the closest one can get to being a cis female if you werent.

However i understand how you feel, i understand if that isnt enough.

I have looked into transitioning myself but for a very stupid reasons ( hints in my username).

Im sorry you going through this.

I wish you all the best.

 

[whatevs]

I resonate more with what the Egyptians believed.

Tell us more!

 

[Shu]

Tell us more!

I know nothing. I'm leaving this thread.

 

[whitefeather]

Reincarnation is a human construct . Homids are incapabale of imagining how reality works

 

[Achlys]

I'd be concerned to wind up in an even worse position, but I'd likely take my chances regardless. I'd hope that I could also choose to permanently exit reincarnation, though. With my luck, who knows if I'd be dealt the same hand each life?

 

[Journeytoletgo]

I think this is it only "one" life

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Reply (I deleted the points because I don't want this post to take up a considerable amount of space in the thread)

I appreciate that, but it doesn't really address the fact that I wouldn't completely "pass" since there will still be certain aspects that are masculine. I don't want to be a "male-female" blend so to speak. I want to be a petite female, and it once again doesn't alleviate the previous points that were left out of the reply (5-7 year process, life long hormone requirement, not being cis in the first place). I am sorry, but being anything but cis-female is not for me. I don't want want any part of it. I want to look in the mirror and see a cis-female. I don't want to be reminded that I once was AMAB and I don't want to feel obligated to wait out 5-7 years just on the off chance I do pass, when it'd be quicker and more worthwhile for me to just CTB. I don't have it mentally in me to wait 1,825-2,555+ days just to likely see a result I suspect of being there. Just isn't worth it for me. Just like I'd let cancer kill me, I'm more than willing to let my depression kill me. I just do not wish to be talked out of my decision to CTB.

I do wish you the best of luck in what you decide to do, be it transitioning or any other gender affirming therapies and hope you can personally find happiness and contentment with whatever you choose :)