Discussion If I take anti-depressive medicine my suicidal thoughts will cease?

[Quinlor]

Since january I tried ctb many times: hanging, poison, night night and probably in some moment in the future SN or hanging again. My therapist in the same time tried without success convince me to take anti-depressives. If I finally start to take these pills my suicide thoughts will ceased and I will stop to pass most of my time here talking about death and suicide? Seems to me something ridiculous...

 

[Jolene40]

Different people react differently to ADs and it depends on the AD. Sometimes you can actually feel worse as you adjust to the new medication.
I took sertraline about 10 years ago and the first 6 weeks were tough. I had severe severe anxiety and panic and wasn't thinking rationally. They worked very well for me. They took that all away and i was happiest id ever been.
Others here will tell you of bad experiences with ADs. We are all different. Did they give you a prescription? Curious what they are.
Balancing the risks, based on what you are saying now ref cbt attempts, I would try it. But that is just me.

 

[R43L]

For me they did nothing i still suicidal but i guess it works for some ppl

 

[Final Escape]

They just numb u out mainly, but I'm not sure they actually prevent suicide. Some of them increased my suicidal thoughts.

 

[Raggas]

Worth a try I think, but don't count on them fixing you. They only slightly helped me mentally (still suicidal).

 

[phoenixx]

Well I've been on 100mg Sertraline for a couple of years now but I'm still suicidal and still self harm almost daily. All they do for me is numb my emotions, don't take away the bad thoughts or anything. But if I go off them (have a few times over the years) then I do get really unstable and my emotions are all over the place so I guess they help with that a bit.

 

[RRH]

I have treatment resistant depression. I have tried over 15 different anti-depressants, both new and old.

None have helped at all.

 

[IRIYAMA]

I've been on nearly a dozen anti-depressants, anti-convulsants and anti-psychotics to help with mood and mental stabiltiy. Only 2 of them have helped with slowing down wanting to CTB, Lexapro was effective for about 6 months and Endep had minimal results.
Regardless of the medication my illness eventually exceeds the capacity of the depression medication and I always fall back to wanting to CTB.
Over the last year have not taken anything, and only wishing to go ahead and CTB.

 

[Davy]

I am not sure if it directly effects suicidal ideation but it definitely makes you more likely to kill yourself. The medicine may change how your brain works, but it's hard to quickly change what you think. Antidepressants can give a depressed person enough motivation and energy finally pull the trigger and act on their impulses.

I tried to CTB when I was 2 months into taking Sertraline. Now I'm on a new anti-depressant, I'm obsessed with suicide and can't stop thinking about it since I got out of the psych ward which was around 1 month ago.

 

[Fin]

I suggest that you give antidepressants a try. They might not make you less suicidal, especially if your suicidality is not mood-dependent, but they will most likely improve your mood organically by resolving your neurochemical imbalance. You should then be able to treat suicide more rationally and less impulsively, a sign that your underlying mood disturbances have been relieved.

If you decide to try them, don't forget to give them some time to act on you (generally around 2 weeks) before assessing their effects. This means that you might not feel any improvement immediately or might even feel worse in the first few days after starting the treatment.

 

[agreement]

Always worth a try.

 

[MLongshaw]

Since january I tried ctb many times: hanging, poison, night night and probably in some moment in the future SN or hanging again. My therapist in the same time tried without success convince me to take anti-depressives. If I finally start to take these pills my suicide thoughts will ceased and I will stop to pass most of my time here talking about death and suicide? Seems to me something ridiculous...

They make you feel better, not happy.

 

[TheDevilsAngel]

Hasnt worked for me and in fact i feel it made me worse at time i dont think they can stop it and the first few weeks on them is the worst i get very confused on whats real and not paranoid to say.

 

[spanishguy22]

im takin st john wort and it took the edge off so i dont feel like dying every hour, well at least i think it was that.

 

[headinghome]

I've been on nearly a dozen anti-depressants, anti-convulsants and anti-psychotics to help with mood and mental stabiltiy. Only 2 of them have helped with slowing down wanting to CTB, Lexapro was effective for about 6 months and Endep had minimal results.
Regardless of the medication my illness eventually exceeds the capacity of the depression medication and I always fall back to wanting to CTB.
Over the last year have not taken anything, and only wishing to go ahead and CTB.

i think they are all poison but don't want to discourage anyone who has a positive experience I've tried about 4 different ones and some gave me mini seizures.....now all I want is to die I can not bear the agony torture and hell I am being made to endure by living...so angry that I am not given the right to peacefully take my life

 

[Quinlor]

Thank you for all kind words, information and tips here. I really have a certain reluctance in take AD but is always good to know the diverse opinions about the same subject.

 

[kohaku]

Thank you for all kind words, information and tips here. I really have a certain reluctance in take AD but is always good to know the diverse opinions about the same subject.

I can tell you personally that I believe a lot of people who say they don't do anything are ruining it for people who it would work for.
It all varies depending on the person. Antidepressants helped with my physical symptoms, my energy is back. Of course, my personality disorder is still there, which is why I'm planning to CTB, but they definitely make everything easier. I'd recommend trying, even if just to ease the suffering before you actually do it if you do end up doing it. It's not a magic cure, but it improves quality of life drastically when working.

 

[Mogley26]

I was never suicidal until trazodone and then they added ziprexa. Suicidal ideation is a side effect for both.
Doctoryourself.com niacin therapy
This vitamin helped take away depression years ago and then I stopped taking it. Biggest mistake ever.

 

[Omega7]

Worth the shot tbh

 

[Donewitheverything]

It depends on the medication and how you respond to it. Some medication can cause suicidal ideation, interestingly enough.

 

[Roadkill]

I tried various anti depressants and they all made me feel much worse--and even more suicidal. I last tried Celexa only one time and it was the worst day of my life... I'm never taking another one

 

[Nifi]

I'm on this site because of an antidepressant. It only numbed my emotions and gave me multible persistent health problems. Nasty shit

 

[headinghome]

I'm on this site because of an antidepressant. It only numbed my emotions and gave me multible persistent health problems. Nasty shit

yes the poison only numbs and gives horrible side effects....

 

[Divine Trinity]

Thank you for all kind words, information and tips here. I really have a certain reluctance in take AD but is always good to know the diverse opinions about the same subject.

Anecdotes aside, research shows they have about the same effectiveness in treating depression as placebos. In fact, the placebo is probably better because there's no side-effects and won't create actual chemical imbalances or neural reconfiguration that can lead to worse depressions. At best you'll retard your depression, until you gain resistance or stop taking it, then everything gets worse until you up the dosage or resolve underlying factors in life.

I'd never advise anyone to take them, but I have no credibility in the field. Though the data supports my opinion.

 

[Endless]

Anecdotes aside, research shows they have about the same effectiveness in treating depression as placebos. In fact, the placebo is probably better because there's no side-effects and won't create actual chemical imbalances or neural reconfiguration that can lead to worse depressions. At best you'll retard your depression, until you gain resistance or stop taking it, then everything gets worse until you up the dosage or resolve underlying factors in life.

I'd never advise anyone to take them, but I have no credibility in the field. Though the data supports my opinion.

Can you point me to this research?

 

[Divine Trinity]

Can you point me to this research?

Types of anti-depressants: https://familydoctor.org/types-of-antidepressants/

Explanations of the meta-analyses reviewing experiments on the effectiveness of anti-depressants: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2412901/

and:

NIMH » Antidepressants: A complicated picture

Dr. Insel discusses the complicated nature of research on the efficacy antidepressants.

www.nimh.nih.gov

There's this mythological belief that somehow everybody is physiologically diverse to the point that there can be no generalized procedures or practices on people. Especially on diet, exercise, and mental health. This belief is quite unfounded, and anti-thetical to science.

Yes, there may be marginal variations, or other complications that require the foundation to be tweaked for special cases. But we're all the exact same animal, and you're not that special (speaking ambiguously). Pisses me off when someone spews that "do what works for you" bullshit.

"The difference between drug and placebo became large enough to be clinically important only in the small minority of patient populations with severe depression (baseline score exceeding 28 in the study population). Even in these severely depressed patients, the difference between drug and placebo was due to the fact that placebo became less effective; there was no evidence that the antidepressants became more effective. The authors concluded that most of the benefit from antidepressants is duplicated by the placebo effect."

 

[Quinlor]

Types of anti-depressants: https://familydoctor.org/types-of-antidepressants/

Explanations of the meta-analyses reviewing experiments on the effectiveness of anti-depressants: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2412901/

and:

NIMH » Antidepressants: A complicated picture

Dr. Insel discusses the complicated nature of research on the efficacy antidepressants.

www.nimh.nih.gov

There's this mythological belief that somehow everybody is physiologically diverse to the point that there can be no generalized procedures or practices on people. Especially on diet, exercise, and mental health. This belief is quite unfounded, and anti-thetical to science.

Yes, there may be marginal variations, or other complications that require the foundation to be tweaked for special cases. But we're all the exact same animal, and you're not that special (speaking ambiguously). Pisses me off when someone spews that "do what works for you" bullshit.

"The difference between drug and placebo became large enough to be clinically important only in the small minority of patient populations with severe depression (baseline score exceeding 28 in the study population). Even in these severely depressed patients, the difference between drug and placebo was due to the fact that placebo became less effective; there was no evidence that the antidepressants became more effective. The authors concluded that most of the benefit from antidepressants is duplicated by the placebo effect."

Thank you for the source!

 

[GeorgeJL]

Depends, yes some medications work wonders for helping people stop suicidal thoughts, and some don't. Try ketamine if the medications don't work. Ketamine is known to help treat people and even cure people of depression where medications have failed to help them.

 

[Ryath]

I have been prescribed various medications over the years to deal with anxiety and depression; Sertraline, Venlafaxine, Mirtazapine, and Diazepam - it depends on each individual, but I have had suicidal ideation since the age of thirteen and I'm currently twenty-four.

 

[Lary]

[QUOTE = "Quinlor, postagem: 293029, membro: 5882"]
Obrigado por todas as palavras gentis, informações e dicas aqui. Eu realmente tenho uma certa relutância em tomar AD, mas é sempre bom saber as diversas opiniões sobre o mesmo assunto.
[/CITAR]
Você só vai saber se vai dar certo se experimentar. Eu já tomei vários antidepressivos. Alguns me fizeram bem, outros fizeram mal e também tem aqueles que não fizeram efeito. Cada organismo reage de uma forma e existem muitos tipos. O resultado nunca é totalmente previsível.