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KAZ-2Y5

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If that's the price to experience joy then I don't want it. I don't want any of it.

If we have free will then I use my free will to ask God to intervene in my life and save me and help me from anything abuse related.

I can handle other sorrows or bad events, but NOT abuse.

If the answer of why God doesn't intervene is because we have free will, even evil people are allowed whatever free will, then there should be rules to this free will, or God should use HIS free will to help stop evil peoples will of wanting to do evil... you get me.

it just feels like God has forsaken me and a lot of us on here.
 
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May 3, 2020
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Yeah, I feel the same way. It's like he cares for my abusers more than me. Maybe it was because my abusers would pray like God has intended us to do–something I didn't do, but then at the same time how can God even love anyone who abuses people rather than someone who doesn't. It just doesn't make sense to me
 
parader

parader

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Apr 15, 2023
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i think that if there is a god out there they're not what we make them out to be
 
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_Alfarooq_

_Alfarooq_

Useless bastard almost making the decision to CTB.
Jul 24, 2023
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If that's the price to experience joy then I don't want it. I don't want any of it.

If we have free will then I use my free will to ask God to intervene in my life and save me and help me from anything abuse related.

I can handle other sorrows or bad events, but NOT abuse.

If the answer of why God doesn't intervene is because we have free will, even evil people are allowed whatever free will, then there should be rules to this free will, or God should use HIS free will to help stop evil peoples will of wanting to do evil... you get me.

it just feels like God has forsaken me and a lot of us on here.
I believe this is because he is trying to punish us for our "sins" and how we are ungrateful for life since all we can think of is CTB and always looking for an escape from this "gift" of life.
 
San_Miguel

San_Miguel

I Love You
Aug 19, 2023
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If that's the price to experience joy then I don't want it. I don't want any of it.

If we have free will then I use my free will to ask God to intervene in my life and save me and help me from anything abuse related.

I can handle other sorrows or bad events, but NOT abuse.

If the answer of why God doesn't intervene is because we have free will, even evil people are allowed whatever free will, then there should be rules to this free will, or God should use HIS free will to help stop evil peoples will of wanting to do evil... you get me.

it just feels like God has forsaken me and a lot of us on here.
I think a lot of people feel this way, and it's totally natural. You can also think of it in a more positive way:
God loves each of us unconditionally, no matter what we do. So even though your abuser was cruel and evil to you, God still forgives and loves that person. This is actually good news, because it means none of us can ever be too far gone to be redeemed by His love. All we have to do is repent and acknowledge our sins.

Maybe that seems unfair, but you should also remember that God is a victim of abuse himself. He came down to Earth as Jesus, the human being, with full knowledge that we would torture and crucify Him. Even while He was on the cross in the midst of His suffering, He forgave His abusers. Bring your suffering to the foot of the cross and let Jesus share the burden with you. Allow Him to bear the weight of your pain so you may also forgive your abuser.

I promise if you can find forgiveness in your heart, you will see the beauty which God has planned for your life.

Stay strong my friend, for you are dearly loved.
 
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I think a lot of people feel this way, and it's totally natural. You can also think of it in a more positive way:
God loves each of us unconditionally, no matter what we do. So even though your abuser was cruel and evil to you, God still forgives and loves that person. This is actually good news, because it means none of us can ever be too far gone to be redeemed by His love. All we have to do is repent and acknowledge our sins.

Maybe that seems unfair, but you should also remember that God is a victim of abuse himself. He came down to Earth as Jesus, the human being, with full knowledge that we would torture and crucify Him. Even while He was on the cross in the midst of His suffering, He forgave His abusers. Bring your suffering to the foot of the cross and let Jesus share the burden with you. Allow Him to bear the weight of your pain so you may also forgive your abuser.

I promise if you can find forgiveness in your heart, you will see the beauty which God has planned for your life.

Stay strong my friend, for you are dearly loved.
see I never understood this line of thinking I don't get how its beautiful to love an abuser. I shouldn't have to be forcibly abused by god and his people then love them unconditionally. that isn't okay or fair for me.
 
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San_Miguel

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Aug 19, 2023
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see I never understood this line of thinking I don't get how its beautiful to love an abuser. I shouldn't have to be forcibly abused by god and his people then love them unconditionally. that isn't okay or fair for me.
Unconditional love is radical. "The Giving Tree" is a popular kid's book that demonstrates the apparent insanity of unconditional love. No matter what someone takes from you, or no matter how someone betrays you, God wants us to forgive them. The our individual suffering pales in comparison to the abuse God experienced on the Cross. Jesus feels the pain of everyone's sins, including the pain you feel from your abuser. And even still, he forgives us. He wants nothing more than for us to Love Him.

So, if God is the source of all that is Good and Beautiful, we should do our best to imitate Him. And if he loves unconditionally and forgives all of us, we should do our best to forgive as well. As painful as it may seem, the power of Love will liberate you from the darkness you feel now. There's no greater power than forgiveness, but we can't do it alone. We need to have Christ in our hearts before we can achieve such a seemingly impossible task.

I would recommend reading the Gospels and going to Church. Ask the Priest there these hard questions. You're not the first person to ask them. There have been many saints who experienced horrible abuse who were able to experience joy and happiness through Christ. St Josephine Bakita and St Paul Miki are two people I think of most when I think of heroic forgiveness.

I'm always happy to talk about the beauty of Life with Jesus. Please reach out if you want to learn more. Love you!
 
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mixshi

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Aug 17, 2023
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If that's the price to experience joy then I don't want it. I don't want any of it.

If we have free will then I use my free will to ask God to intervene in my life and save me and help me from anything abuse related.

I can handle other sorrows or bad events, but NOT abuse.

If the answer of why God doesn't intervene is because we have free will, even evil people are allowed whatever free will, then there should be rules to this free will, or God should use HIS free will to help stop evil peoples will of wanting to do evil... you get me.

it just feels like God has forsaken me and a lot of us on here.
I'm going to answer your question assuming, and hoping, that you are genuinely questioning this and not just making an argument against Christianity.

there are many interpretations of God, and I don't think there's a single person whose interpretation of god is actually of the true God. even sill I have a rough idea of who my God is. God gave us free will, but he also gave us the mission to use that free will to guide his people to him. God has free will as well but, in my experience with him, he refuses to use it unless it's through us. We have the ability to pray for something and God will use our will and fulfill it if he sees it fit to do so. an example of this is altar healings, people sickened with disease, or blind or deaf, depressed or abused, or anything really, can be healed simply by coming before God and asking. You might find it hard to believe, but God only works when you ask him to, not because he doesn't know what you want Or anything, its because he wants you to ask. as humans we have nothing to give God that's worth anything except for our praise. nothing on this planet or off this planet could possibly please god except for the admittance that he is good, and as such when we praise him and ask for healing, he appreciates it and he provides. he's healed me, he's healed others, and he could heal you.

Furthermore, the question "why does God let bad things happen?" Is so easily answered in so many different ways that it's hard to go in depth on all of them, but here's an over view on a few arguments that I have heard and/or believe

"To sift/form us", in the Bible He compares our suffering to that of wheat as its sifted and ground into flour. The wheat being us before the hardships, and the flour being what remains of us after he removed every part of us that doesn't please him. This can obviously be seen as problematic but I personally don't think this is true because God's supposed to help us so the idea that he intentionally lets us suffer just to make us into something better for him seems a little far fetched, but its still and idea. Another comparison is a blacksmith forming a blade, but I like to see God as more of a potter, Instead of using heat and force to get what he wants he gently guides us to his desires, should we request it, and lets us move to that position however we'd like, if we'd like. and if we decide not to be formed, then we become wasted clay sitting on a shelf, slowly drying and crumbling away.

"Because we deserve it, suffering as punishment for our sins." this one I believe more than the last one, though still it Doesn't sit right with me 100%. in genesis after Adam and Eve sinned for the first time he set certain, different, punishments for man, women, and serpents. For men he made it so that their time on earth would be full of toils and hard work instead of the luxurious life that they had in the garden of Eden. for women it was the pain of child birth, and being ruled over by their husbands. He also cursed all humans, male and female, with eventual death, pain and suffering, as well as cursing all serpents to scurry around on the earth in their bellies by removing their legs. This is a clear demonstration that God has no problem punishing us for our sins, but even still he makes it his mission to relieve the pain and suffering we go through, and all we have to do is ask.

"Because we didn't ask him to save us."
this is not something I believe, and it kind of crosses over into prosperity gospel territory, but it still kind of tracks, cause if we do ask he will relieve some of the pain and suffering we go through, or at least he did with me.

"it doesn't matter, have Faith." this one is the one I resonate the most with, it basically just means that you should, no matter how hard things get, stay faithful and believe that God is with you and for you even if it doesn't feel like it. the argument's based on the belief that God is all knowing, all powerful, and all for you. even if you're hurting in the now, it'll all be worth it in the end, because God knows what he's doing.

I'm sure there are more, but those are the main ones I guess. You say that you can take regular sorrows and such but not abuse, which is a little confusing, but I can tell you now that you don't have to ask god to help with you being abused, for now a 911 operator will do. just know that God has not forsaken you, or anyone. God loves you and hurts when you hurt, cries when you cry, but will never stop loving you even when you are actively spiting him. I truly hope God helps you and your situation and I pray that you can recover from whatever you've been through. With Love, cya <3
 
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Because he doesn't exist.
 
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Forever Sleep

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see I never understood this line of thinking I don't get how its beautiful to love an abuser. I shouldn't have to be forcibly abused by god and his people then love them unconditionally. that isn't okay or fair for me.

I agree that you shouldn't have to love an abuser. Why should they deserve love or forgiveness? Having said that- while I'm not great at it- the forgiveness part does actually make a sort of sense. If we carry that grudge the rest of our lives- that person goes on traumatising us. Because all that initial pain is still there and we're constantly recalling it and how unfair it was. I suppose forgiveness is a way of releasing that (rightful) feeling of anger so we can hopefully move on. So- it's something that mainly helps us- rather than them. I'm not saying you should forgive of course. Some actions seem simply unforgiveable. I'm just saying- perhaps it leads to a more peaceful life if we can forgive.

With regards to God though- if there is one- I get the strong impression that they aren't involved too much in the day to day workings of the world. Maybe they just create worlds and bugger off to work on a new project. Just looking at how this world was created- the simple fact that creatures were given sentience in the first place- I can't see how God is what we would consider a 'good' 'person'. Unless there's some utterly fantastical plan that accounts for and rewards all this suffering, then I think we have to assume that God is a sadist and enjoys watching their creations suffer! If there truly is a God- I think we should all be very worried.
 
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Replied to your other post, from what I recall in the bible the garden of even, 2 humans Adam and Eve, essentially paradise, issue was the devil, Satan etc, got eve to eat the apple of truth, which cast them out of heaven aka humanity out of paradise and down on earth. So to sum it up, humanity even when in paradise will always seek knowledge, anyway now since the devil is on earth, he started to spread evil and sickness, rape murder etc. so essentially it's not gods fault but more of the devil fault. The reason why god doesn't step in is because he is god, he watches over his creations, second it's his angles that do his work, then this brings demons in questions evil vs good etc.

I know it's depressing that if a all powerful being would let all of his creation suffer horribly. Hopefully this can semi explain, though every religion has a different reason on why evil exists
 
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KAZ-2Y5

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Replied to your other post, from what I recall in the bible the garden of even, 2 humans Adam and Eve, essentially paradise, issue was the devil, Satan etc, got eve to eat the apple of truth, which cast them out of heaven aka humanity out of paradise and down on earth. So to sum it up, humanity even when in paradise will always seek knowledge, anyway now since the devil is on earth, he started to spread evil and sickness, rape murder etc. so essentially it's not gods fault but more of the devil fault. The reason why god doesn't step in is because he is god, he watches over his creations, second it's his angles that do his work, then this brings demons in questions evil vs good etc.

I know it's depressing that if a all powerful being would let all of his creation suffer horribly. Hopefully this can semi explain, though every religion has a different reason on why evil exists
everyone knows this story, doesn't help much
 
MrDarkness

MrDarkness

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Jun 18, 2023
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everyone knows this story, doesn't help much
Best way to put it, humanity was once under the direct protection of god, but due to the devil influence we fell from god and now evil exist and it's why bad things will continue to happen.

I ain't fully religious but it's depressing to really think about ngl, anyway I know this is won't ease the pain of your trauma. But I do hope your life gets better
 
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Dec 15, 2021
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If that's the price to experience joy then I don't want it. I don't want any of it.

If we have free will then I use my free will to ask God to intervene in my life and save me and help me from anything abuse related.

I can handle other sorrows or bad events, but NOT abuse.

If the answer of why God doesn't intervene is because we have free will, even evil people are allowed whatever free will, then there should be rules to this free will, or God should use HIS free will to help stop evil peoples will of wanting to do evil... you get me.

it just feels like God has forsaken me and a lot of us on here.
That's an easy one. God can't forsake you because he is a fantasy, made up by humans.
 
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Aug 17, 2023
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I ask myself this a lot. When the abuse started happening to me I was probably what was seen as a good Christian. I loved God and I prayed and I genuinely loved that life. But then people started hurting me. I remember asking God to make it stop but he never did. It went on for a while.
Then when all that is happening you hear all those things in church that fuck with your head. Things like everything happens for a reason or His protects those whom he loves or God has the power to stop anything or bad things only happen to bad people.
And eventually I started hating God. But I still have to go to church and everything. Gotta hear people saying God is always good and it hurts. It really does
 
Ambivalent1

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Either he's trying to break you to build you up stronger or he hates you or he doesn't exist

In the book of Romans, it's clear God has vessels (people) he created prepared for destruction
 
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If that's the price to experience joy then I don't want it. I don't want any of it.

If we have free will then I use my free will to ask God to intervene in my life and save me and help me from anything abuse related.

I can handle other sorrows or bad events, but NOT abuse.

If the answer of why God doesn't intervene is because we have free will, even evil people are allowed whatever free will, then there should be rules to this free will, or God should use HIS free will to help stop evil peoples will of wanting to do evil... you get me.

it just feels like God has forsaken me and a lot of us on here.
This is actually a very easy but also very reasonable question to ask. I feel most of the people asking this question do not actually wish to be convinced otherwise. Any other question of a different domain, like history, or science, or language, or geography, or art, or culture, or whatever, you would naturally make an effort to look up and find out the answer yourself by drawing on the knowledge and works of other more studied peoples. But when it comes to this question, the person asking it always seems contented with their own thoughts and explanations which I would guess ended up being not at all satisfying in their conclusion. This question is not so idiosyncratic that you alone are the most qualified person to answer it. It essentially involves every person alive, in a way. I just started reading The Problem of Pain by C.S. Lewis which addresses this question, but it's difficult to understand. Maybe I could better understand and help in the future, but not yet. But you should consider it unanswered until you collect all the pieces, though.
 
CloudyNight

CloudyNight

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Apr 15, 2023
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I think a lot of people feel this way, and it's totally natural. You can also think of it in a more positive way:
God loves each of us unconditionally, no matter what we do. So even though your abuser was cruel and evil to you, God still forgives and loves that person. This is actually good news, because it means none of us can ever be too far gone to be redeemed by His love. All we have to do is repent and acknowledge our sins.

Maybe that seems unfair, but you should also remember that God is a victim of abuse himself. He came down to Earth as Jesus, the human being, with full knowledge that we would torture and crucify Him. Even while He was on the cross in the midst of His suffering, He forgave His abusers. Bring your suffering to the foot of the cross and let Jesus share the burden with you. Allow Him to bear the weight of your pain so you may also forgive your abuser.

I promise if you can find forgiveness in your heart, you will see the beauty which God has planned for your life.

Stay strong my friend, for you are dearly loved.
beautiful man <3
 
Superdeterminist

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suffering rules out a tri-omni god, imo. if god exists, it is probably the omnibenevolence which is lacking, and they are malicious.
 
wristcutangel

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What value is there to a life that wants to end?
Jul 5, 2023
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i'd rather he not exist in the first place, but even if he does i'll never forgive him for what he put me through. i don't want to worship a god like that.
 
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I believe this is because he is trying to punish us for our "sins" and how we are ungrateful for life since all we can think of is CTB and always looking for an escape from this "gift" of life.
Why should we be grateful for life? Life is nothing but suffering. I'm not grateful for mine, I wish I was never born in the first place
 
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HollowDrop

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Oct 4, 2023
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If there is god or not is up to what you personally believe.
 
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Meditation guide

Meditation guide

Always was, is, and always shall be.
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I have the opinion this is a version of hell. I know I have actually BEEN in hell when I had a kidney stone.
I suffered depths of hell most people probably do not.
 
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cosmic-joke

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Oct 6, 2023
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If that's the price to experience joy then I don't want it. I don't want any of it.

If we have free will then I use my free will to ask God to intervene in my life and save me and help me from anything abuse related.

I can handle other sorrows or bad events, but NOT abuse.

If the answer of why God doesn't intervene is because we have free will, even evil people are allowed whatever free will, then there should be rules to this free will, or God should use HIS free will to help stop evil peoples will of wanting to do evil... you get me.

it just feels like God has forsaken me and a lot of us on here.
The trouble is god is not what 99% of people think it is, we are most likely in a simulation quantum mechanics and string theory mixed with relatively basic math backs this heavily, and either way there are infinite timelines and the universe is self aware. There is a higher power but no "god" to intervene
 
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Obviously god is not loving or all powerful or both. I had a thread a while back titled "Is god a psychopath?"
 
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