tvoisluga

tvoisluga

trapped in a body
Dec 22, 2023
96
Every time i hear of normies finding the site and blaming it i cant help but laugh. Tou push people beyond the edge to the point they look up some ish, then as an ultimate copout you blame everyone but yourself. Stay delulu. How can you save people from ctb when you shoot down any desperate attempt for finding help. Part of me wants to care for my familys reaction so bad, but just cant bring myself to do this anymore, as i see disrespect from the same people every day. There comes a time when you cut your losses. You know what i sorta get it. Most people arent self aware and dont work on being. Damn. Born misunderstood, will go out misunderstood, i feel like a psychopath for not caring about my familys grief when i pass but i gotta be honest somewhere. (They read my diary so i dont trust in journaling anymore, i gotta get this out of my system)
I got my phone repaired but the keyboard is still wonky soni might misspell but around christmas my keyboard was reappy actin up so for anyone who has read my part posts im not illiterate, or maybe i am, but my keyboard is very shi€t.
 
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Gonnerr

Enlightened
Mar 12, 2023
1,322
They are crazy right , they think happy and healthy people come on that site and all of a sudden they want to commit suicide because of the site.

We are here because we are broken by life itself , society and plenty of other reasons.

We were already suicidal before joining that site.
 
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throneofdispair03

throneofdispair03

is a mistake
Jan 10, 2024
236
I don't think they realize that there would be just as many suicidal people if this site never existed and that this site doesn't make one suicidal. It just helps people not injure themselves when they try to find peace.
 
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sserafim

sserafim

brighter than the sun, that’s just me
Sep 13, 2023
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It's funny how they never blame themselves, society or capitalism. Personally I think those are bigger contributors to suicide than this website. Life under capitalism just so depressing. As a wise man once said, "It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."
 
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leloyon

leloyon

I'll see you in the Wired.
Feb 4, 2023
1,102
These idiots don't realise that people likely wouldn't find or join this forum if they didn't already feel this way.
Also, convenient that these people who have known members of the forum who committed suicide, they never ask where they were. If we're so evil, then why did this person who you apparently deeply care about come to us? Did you not know they were struggling? If they didn't tell you, then why did they only trust us to know?
 
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SexyIncél

SexyIncél

🍭my lollipop brings the feminists to my candyshop
Aug 16, 2022
1,482
Maybe I'll start wearing a sanctioned suicide tshirt. I never wear logos, this'd be my first

Because fuck their mindless opinions, and this forum helps a segment of people
 
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UKscotty

Doesn't read PMs
May 20, 2021
2,450
They never stop and think why people end up here.

Normal healthy people do not consider CTB as a sensible option in life, only those of us who are broken will.

We end up here because the government has failed us and recovery is not an option any longer.

Society makes suicide far too easy and offers no safety net for us.
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
5,219
People will always blame things external to life being shitty when it comes to this. They blame this site because their minds cannot comprehend the current system being bad enough to where people don't want to participate in it
 
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Neowise

Neowise

We fly and fly but never reach our destination.
Oct 7, 2020
494
I was on that "Stop Sanctioned Suicide" Facebook group again yesterday. All those mothers writing "my poor kid, these monsters killed him" denying that they should have cared for their kid! They should have noticed their beloved kid is depressed. But they didn't. And they don't want to hear the truth and now they need a scape goat. That is us. We are at fault for 20+ years of bad parenting.
 
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Forever Sleep

Earned it we have...
May 4, 2022
9,900
I was on that "Stop Sanctioned Suicide" Facebook group again yesterday. All those mothers writing "my poor kid, these monsters killed him" denying that they should have cared for their kid! They should have noticed their beloved kid is depressed. But they didn't. And they don't want to hear the truth and now they need a scape goat. That is us. We are at fault for 20+ years of bad parenting.

On the one hand, I don't like to trample on their grief. But, you do have to wonder. Did they put this much time, attention and love towards their child while they were alive? I don't know. Maybe that is unfair. Maybe they were incredible parents. Mine weren't bad and I don't think they realised I developed ideation from age 10.

What I do wish though- is that- rather than spending all their time bashing this forum, they would use it constructively to raise awareness with other parents. If your children are coming here- WHY do you suppose that is? If you can't be bothered to question why they are so troubled and do something about it then, take the easier option- provide them another safe space to be able to talk about their problems honestly and openly without fear of being ridiculed, ignored or sectioned. Just don't provide method information there. That would be fantastic though. You could make it as pro-life as you wanted but for God's sake- listen to your children!

I'd argue that it's more than just method information people come here for. It's the support side to it as well. People come and stay here because they clearly can't find that kind of support elsewhere. And it isn't about coaxing them to CTB. It's actually listening to them and taking their problems seriously and compassionately. Why aren't there more spaces like that? Especially for young people? I wish they'd put their energy into doing something about that.

I'll be brutally honest... I feel bad for your children- of course. I was a suicidal minor myself. But, speaking very selfishly- I don't want to see your children here! It puts the whole forum and those who participate in it at risk. Far from gleefully pushing children towards suicide, I'd hazard a guess that most of the older users here don't want to see them here at all. Why would we want angry parents coming after us?

As to the existence of the site itself and the 'threat' it poses- especially to minors. Would you give up things you feel you are entitled to- alcohol, smoking, porn, sex because minors lie about their age to gain access to those things? No- I doubt you would. The adults on this site happen to believe we have autonomy over our own lives. We believe we should have the right to choose to end our lives if we are finding them intolerable.

Seeing as most of our governments disagree with that right- or, limit it as far as possible by not providing VAD and restricting methods, we feel the need to research these things so that we don't botch an attempt and make life so much worse for ourselves.

A huge amount of people also rely on this site to keep them alive! It provides enormous emotional support for a lot of it's members. (Including me.) I wish someone would actually pick up on that and recognise it as something this world sorely lacks. Just look at the amount of posts that say this place is unique in how (mostly) open it is to share and talk about problems. Why can't people do this elsewhere?
 
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ctbcat

ctbcat

Yes, the everlasting contrast.
Jul 14, 2023
228
any place on the internet is an echo chamber. people who are sick seek other sick people. it's the way it works. isn't it better to not feel alone, while we're feeling these feelings? isn't it better to have one spot where we can talk about suicidal ideation without getting slammed by the authorities, or hotline numbers, or whatever? whenever i think of situations like this, blame and whatnot... it's best places like this can STAY accessible on surface web. arguably i think more people would die without this website, or at the very least... more would be in hospital, miserable, failing another attempt, forced to stay alive by an invisible, giant, everlooming hand.
 
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Meteora

Ignorance is bliss
Jun 27, 2023
2,007
People will never understand, that's right. Its always easier to blame others. People like us are sent to therapy to analyse, reflect, to change our behaviour while the rest out there just carries on. The whole system is fucked up. The smart ones become more sensitive and smart, the dumb ones more dumb.

What concerns me is that it happens here on the website, too, that people use their "power" to block users because the dont wanna hear anything that threatens their world view. So they stir up others against one person. Thats very abusive in my opinion and it should not be allowed here at all.

Whatever, the smarter one is, the harder life becomes.
 
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Tokugawa_Yoshinobu

Tokugawa_Yoshinobu

Arcanist
Sep 10, 2023
424
If society was that great, then this site would not exist. Suicidality was there before and this site is merely a symptom and not a cause.
 
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RainAndSadness

RainAndSadness

Administrator
Jun 12, 2018
2,146
or capitalism.

Literally the roots of so many problems that drive people to suicide but these lib journalists are so incredibly dense, it's almost comical.
 
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If society was that great, then this site would not exist. Suicidality was there before and this site is merely a symptom and not a cause.
Oh for sure, If there was a concerted effort to address the reasons why people even come to sites like this then this site wouldn't exist at all, get down to why people want to ctb, not restricting the methods in hopes that they'll be cornered into talking about it.
I was on that "Stop Sanctioned Suicide" Facebook group again yesterday. All those mothers writing "my poor kid, these monsters killed him" denying that they should have cared for their kid! They should have noticed their beloved kid is depressed. But they didn't. And they don't want to hear the truth and now they need a scape goat. That is us. We are at fault for 20+ years of bad parenting.
Ah yeah, I was wondering about that page since I came across it after reading about the sn deaths. I think to blame the forum is just part of the grieving process but they should've been responsible for their kid with regards to how they were doing but they didn't see it. I've seen even seen a few parents direct their anger towards the fact that their kid weren't given a chance to reconsider options before ctb and if they just paused and thought first, they would've probably still been alive but is that really this forums fault? They need something to blame for their child's actions because they'd never believe such innocence did this on their own course of action for reasons they'll probably never make peace with.
 
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Raindancer

Raindancer

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Nov 4, 2023
323
It's interesting and confusing when on another board someone will say they are ready to give up and then comes the hundreds of banal responses. I do not think ever once did I see someone ask why they are at that point, or did they want to talk openingly. I guess it's better than your comment being deleted like it used to be and any kind of talk related to suicide was forbidden. For those who have lost a loved one to suicide it's more understandable. They are not capable of looking at the truth and just want someone to blame. They are looking for something to minimize their pain. Yet cannot look outside themselves to see the person who CTB'd point of view. But others responses confuse me. I don't understand why it is not OK to talk about. Obviously what has been done for decades isn't working, maybe it's time to look at new options. For those who trash this site I wish they would openly read what is said on here. I think they could learn so much and maybe even some of it would help them if they could see beyond their anger.
 
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lifewasawillowtv

You’re losing me
Nov 12, 2023
216
Yep, instead of investing time into fixing the jokes that are healthcare systems or hell even investing some of their precious time to think as to why these people are feeling suicidal in the first place and put themselves in our shoes, they blame forums like this. As if shutting down sites like this will magically irradiate suicide. It's so illogical that it's laughable. There have always been may suicidal people in society, there have always been many people committing suicide, it just wasn't as widely heard/talked about because social media, the internet and sites such as these didn't exists back then. That doesn't mean the problem didn't exist. You just didn't hear about it because there was no way or no place for suicidal people to discuss these sort of things.
 
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Unsure and Useless

Unsure and Useless

Drifting Aimlessly without Roots
Feb 7, 2023
257
Honestly, even thinking about people who blame this site for "causing suicide/depression" or demonize it infuriates me. It's to the point where I rolled my eyes when a video by Tantacrul showed up on my YouTube homepage.

It just shows how, rather than reflecting on themselves and fixing the problems that drive people to this point, they'd pretend they're morally righteous and get rid of any place for us to be open with our feelings in order to "get rid of suicide." These same people will harp about how "life is worth it" or "they're always there to talk to" when, in actuality, they'd dump you in a psych ward to wash their hands clean of you after whining about how you "trauma dumped" on them.

Besides, why is it any of their business? How I see it, they didn't care—or worse, they looked down on—when some of us were heading on this path, so why is it only now that they're suddenly all "we're here to help" and "we're here to listen to you"?

It just looks like they don't give a shit; they just don't want you to CTB, regardless of how miserable your life is 'cause of their own self-satisfaction. Those type of people in general should keep their mouths shut until they actually know how it feels to want to CTB, none of the "I was super sad once too" comments.

In short: I don't like people who demonize this website, and I'm petty and bitter about it.
 
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underthedatetree

underthedatetree

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Oct 20, 2023
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Tou push people beyond the edge to the point they look up some ish, then as an ultimate copout you blame everyone but yourself. Stay delulu. How can you save people from ctb when you shoot down any desperate attempt for finding help.

I saw a youtube comment I think on someone mourning their own family member it said "Remember TRULY suicidal people never say anything about it, [sibling] was the most beatiful social kind soul and they just up and walked into a forest and shot themself." Then replies just repeat platitudes loneliest ppl are the kindest the saddest ppl smile the brightest etc... "

It's a whats it called, Catch 22? If they spoke about their feelings, would they have just been an attention seeker in their sisters eyes? Normies cant help but be so vapid about those kinds of things.
Capitalism is just kind of hell I went to the bathroom to use a grooming product on my face then I went back to my room (on the other side of the house) and watched a youtube video immediately played an ad for that exact specific product I just used. Googles Super Surveillance is real, the future is FUCKED.
 
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26mmmm

Experienced
Feb 12, 2024
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Every time i hear of normies finding the site and blaming it i cant help but laugh. Tou push people beyond the edge to the point they look up some ish, then as an ultimate copout you blame everyone but yourself. Stay delulu. How can you save people from ctb when you shoot down any desperate attempt for finding help. Part of me wants to care for my familys reaction so bad, but just cant bring myself to do this anymore, as i see disrespect from the same people every day. There comes a time when you cut your losses. You know what i sorta get it. Most people arent self aware and dont work on being. Damn. Born misunderstood, will go out misunderstood, i feel like a psychopath for not caring about my familys grief when i pass but i gotta be honest somewhere. (They read my diary so i dont trust in journaling anymore, i gotta get this out of my system)
I got my phone repaired but the keyboard is still wonky soni might misspell but around christmas my keyboard was reappy actin up so for anyone who has read my part posts im not illiterate, or maybe i am, but my keyboard is very shi€t.
On one hand, some people probably wouldn't have commited suicide without finding out about this forum and the methods recommended in it.
And some of those people probably weren't too fargone, they were only ready to commit suicide in the most peaceful and painless way because they weren't desperate enough to suffer.
Without this forum they potentially could have lived on and maybe overcome their issues.
If someone is not desperate enough to go through some discomfort and suffering when committing suicide they probably haven't lost all hope.

On the other hand however, some people have completely lost hope in life and for justified reasons, its only fair that they find a peaceful enough way to pass. This forum helps many people end their suffering.

Its a dilemma.
 

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