I wish women knew that mens' lives aren't peacefull success.

[Bombastus]

I used a mortar and pestle to grind up about 80 of my seroquel, and im drinking hard, reallly hard. im going to mix it into my drinks and food to try to go again. I don't have the cash abs or face to be able to meet someone. the human experience is locked away from me. i told a friend, but she doesn't get it.
step back and understand, statistically speaking SOMEONE is going to ctb, SOMEONE is going to die alone. life is life, death is death, the only hope i have is that im reborn a rich athlete. My suicide is a Suicide by exposure to women.

 

[HappyForever?]

I wish too, and I'm considering killing myself for the exact reason. Women have a much easier time finding partners, and very few of them suffer from a lack of attention from the other sex. Most of them actually suffer from an excess of attention from the other sex. For a man, if you are not very physically attractive or rich, you are going to have a difficult time finding a partner. I wish for people to be aware that physical appearance is nothing but luck, and it is never indicative of anything else, it is even indicative of bad traits like terrible personality and disloyalty.

 

[lonewolf22]

I've been told that I'm very attractive. When I used to be on tinder I had thousands of matches yet I still struggle to get women. Apparently looks can only go so far. Women in general do not solely select for looks, they select for things like like personality, stability, and status. Looks while important, is probably last on their list of priorities when seeking a man. On dating apps, having good looks can get you laid but it will not help you sustain a relationship. I would gladly and without hesitation, swap my looks for a fucking personality. I'm just not personally seeing all the life changing advantages that good looks are supposed to offer.

 

[katara]

You guys have no sympathy for women, i get it. Just saw a post from one of you a few days ago.. Stop posting the same threads over and over. I know you guys are lying too, but it's weird how you talk down about women yet you want sympathy from us.

 

[lofticries]

Hell on earth exists for both women and men. Misery does not discriminate.

 

[lostmyacc]

I've been told that I'm very attractive. When I used to be on tinder I had thousands of matches yet I still struggle to get women. Apparently looks can only go so far. Women in general do not solely select for looks, they select for things like like personality, stability, and status. Looks while important, is probably last on their list of priorities when seeking a man. On dating apps, having good looks can get you laid but it will not help you sustain a relationship. I would gladly and without hesitation, swap my looks for a fucking personality. I'm just not personally seeing all the life changing advantages that good looks are supposed to offer.

Tinder is just a dopamine hit. Most people who match don't have any intention of really anything other than getting 'likes' It's all geared towards that. You can't develop a genuine relationship off an app/ internet.

 

[lonewolf22]

Tinder is just a dopamine hit. Most people who match don't have any intention of really anything other than getting 'likes' It's all geared towards that. You can't develop a genuine relationship off an app/ internet.

That hasn't been my experience. Most of the women that messaged me first on a dating app eventually wanted to meet up. Some made it very clear that they wanted sex. However, none of my relationships lasted for more than a month and it's not because genuine relationships are unattainable via dating app, it's due to the fact that I have no social skills.

 

[HappyForever?]

You guys have no sympathy for women, i get it. Just saw a post from one of you a few days ago.. Stop posting the same threads over and over. I know you guys are lying too, but it's weird how you talk down about women yet you want sympathy from us.

When all we get from women is rejection and even humiliation it's hard to have sympathy for them. Moreover, due to our issues, we have few to none opportunities to have deep interactions with women, further exacerbating our misunderstanding.

That hasn't been my experience. Most of the women that messaged me first on a dating app eventually wanted to meet up. Some made it very clear that they wanted sex. However, none of my relationships lasted for more than a month and it's not because genuine relationships are unattainable via dating app, it's due to the fact that I have no social skills.

Fortunately for you, social skills can be learned, and with your looks, people will be more than forgiving in the process. I went from being very anxious around people to being described as "chatty" by an acquaintance in just half a year. Still does nothing for my situation though because neither face nor height can be learned.

 

[Trezzohno]

When it comes to attracting the opposite the sex for women, we are looking for clean water in a putrid swamp and for men they are looking for water in a dessert. Either way we loose due to the complex nature of love and romantic relationships. The grass is not greener on the other side

 

[HappyForever?]

Edit by @Foresight: *removed content*

Normies also think we are "mentally ill" and "murdering children", when it's them who are causing our suffering. Sorry to see that you've become a normie.

Where the FUCK did I say "uwu y r all women so mean when I am so nice"? I merely complained about my troubles caused by my appearance, which is unfair because I did not get to choose. If I weren't born into unattractiveness, but merely ended up in my current situation due to my own fault, I wouldn't have complained about women at all.

As for the evisceration part, I do admit that I've posted about it, and it is now deleted due to overwhelming negative responses. I thought this site was a safe haven for us to vent our darkest thoughts, yet you are here to ruin it. When you are stuck in an helpless situation, you cannot help but become jealous about the ones who have precisely what you want. And with time, strong jealousy festers into hate, hate for the people who rub salt into your wounds. I do not condone any action to hurt others, and the fantasy is merely a coping mechanism with the help of which I may have a semblance of a normal life. The fact that I deleted the post means that I have realized what I posted is unacceptable, and you digging it up is simply a childish attempt to put me in a bad light. What would you feel if I recorded the impulsive words you said when you were angry/immature and displayed them in public?

When it comes to attracting the opposite the sex for women, we are looking for clean water in a putrid swamp and for men they are looking for water in a dessert. Either way we loose due to the complex nature of love and romantic relationships. The grass is not greener on the other side

I agree with you. Men and women have radically different experiences, thus it's hard for either side to understand the other.

 

[Chinaski]

Sorry to see that you've become a normie.

Am l meant to take this seriously, l mean wtf does this even mean.

Anyway yeah, once again the "this is a place for empathy and hugs" bullshit this place presents as really doesn't stand up to much scrutiny imo, imagine posting the misogo crap posted in this thread, on top of your now deleted homicide fantasies, and still expect to be spoon-fed empathy from the people you profess to despise.

 

[lonewolf22]

When all we get from women is rejection and even humiliation it's hard to have sympathy for them. Moreover, due to our issues, we have few to none opportunities to have deep interactions with women, further exacerbating our misunderstanding.

Fortunately for you, social skills can be learned, and with your looks, people will be more than forgiving in the process. I went from being very anxious around people to being described as "chatty" by an acquaintance in just half a year. Still does nothing for my situation though because neither face nor height can be learned.

Social skills can certainly be learned but so can other things that women find attractive like confidence, humor, and improving one's financial status. Just having a well paid six figure job puts you ahead of 95% of men. Being white also helps if you are looking to date someone outside of your race. Average and even below average looks are not deal breakers for men. It's more of a deal breaker for women because men are the ones that put enormous stock into looks.

 

[HappyForever?]

Social skills can certainly be learned but so can other things that women find attractive like confidence, humor, and improving one's financial status. Just having a well paid six figure job puts you ahead of 95% of men. Being white also helps if you are looking to date someone outside of your race. Average and even below average looks are not deal breakers for men. It's more of a deal breaker for women because men are the ones that put enormous stock into looks.

"Just having a well paid six figure job puts you ahead of 95% of men"
This is true, and will certainly help in finding a partner, but it cannot even compare to the importance of appearance, as you are often rejected due to your appearance alone before women are able to get to know you and your financial status. Plus, this might attract people who are only after your money, and would dump you as soon as you stop giving them money.
"Being white also helps"
You cannot choose your race.
"Average and even below average looks are not deal breakers for men."
They are not deal breakers, sure, but they are great hindrances. Looking (below) average means you probably have to look for years after years to finally find someone who would accept you, and there is no guarantee.

 

[Messgram]

This thread is pathetic, i dont need women to understand or feel sympathy for me, neither men, because that wont change anything in my life

 

[HappyForever?]

Am l meant to take this seriously, l mean wtf does this even mean.

Anyway yeah, once again the "this is a place for empathy and hugs" bullshit this place presents as really doesn't stand up to much scrutiny imo, imagine posting the misogo crap posted in this thread, on top of your now deleted homicide fantasies, and still expect to be spoon-fed empathy from the people you profess to despise.

Read my post again. Judging from your previous posts, you don't seem like an unreasonable person, so I hope we can resolve this conflict peacefully, so I edited my post to make myself clearer. You should understand that being sarcastic only makes you sound like an asshole (which I'm pretty sure you're not).

If you want an explanation for the sentence, here it is: victim blaming.

How is "women don't like us through no fault of our own and we are unhappy about it" misogyny?

If you've been wronged, rejected, isolated, humiliated by people simply because of the way you look, you ARE going to hate them. And part of that hate is desire for revenge.

 

[CursedSoul]

tbh both genders are taken as a joke, 50/50, ive seen as much women suffering of the same reasons equally. The only difference is that more males try suicide, but the difference is not that high. All women aren't stupid whores, all men aren't stupid unsensitive/unemotionnal/hypersexual pieces of shits. Difference is : MOST NORMIES ARE. Hating on a opposing/same gender and becoming an incel, no matter what you are is not the way to go. I have plenty of reasons to absolutely hate women, yet i refuse to go that low or even consider thinking it is right and positive for my life/thinking. But yet i'm not a perfect someone that can just not hate anyone, i instead place my hate on both genders, and decide to target instead, those unsensitives pieces of shit, whoring themselves, freely manipulating everyone in their ranges/playing with emotions, only to throw them out when they are done playing, those kind of people, male, female, other, whatever, i don't care,

i just focus on them entirely. Even if you're a man, i will not be like "oh wow, you had sex so many times, what a chad you are" i will be disgusted as equally as it were a woman (not speaking about people that had alot of sex life, i'm speaking about those who had alot of sex life by manipulating/playing with the feelings/emotions of others, ofc people with low bodycounts still do this, but they are rarer, so i'm making a generality, feel free to insult me about it, i explained my thinking there, good for you if you agree/disagree.), i will be equally disgusted if you abandon people, play with their feelings etc... Romantic Relationships or not.

my point is, it's useless to focus on a gender, focus on a type of people instead. Hating on a gender, even if the nicest guy/girl see your message, she/he will just not want to bother you, as she/he will see his/her gender brings misery to your being. I think it's more just to fix the title to " i wish Normie (insert partners or the gender of your choice) knew that our lifes aren't peaceful success. I know girls here that are fantastic women, and have been treated absolutely miserable by men, and well, obviously, i know men here that got treated horribly by women. As @lofticries said : "Misery does not discriminate".

i can guarantee you OP, i've seen Women writing the same thing then you, or rather, the same subjects. In the end, everyone is taken as a joke, i'm someone that is considered very handsome as well, and it doesn't make it better, i mean, if i was... Hmm, how do i say it with respect, very "free" sexually, and wouldn't mind commit to sex regularly/with multiple partners, sure, my physics would be absolutely a perk. But sadly i'm not like that haha, i'm borderline even religious as a atheist in my ways of relationships, 80% love and care of my partner, 20% lust and other things, it's not that i hate it, i just consider it very sacred, and it MUST be with someone i love incredibly as it is something very intimate and loving. At least in my case and my potential partners, but i understand, and absolutely tolerate/encourage different thinking and sexual behaviors. What i'm trying to say is, looks doesn't make it easier in the slightest, like personality, both are cons and pros, TRUST ME. I've been considered a 7 all the way to a 10 by both men and women, and i'm a virgin at 21, only had 2 online relationships, and i'm basically incredibly heartbroken. I think if i was worse physically, that wouldn't make me better or worse tbh.

(btw tinder doesn't mean shit, i only found sexually incompatible partners that just wanted me for my body, so yeah, tons of success, but in the end, i'm still incredibly lonely lol)

See it as this, Normies doesn't understand shit, doesn't have an ounce of empathy, doesn't have an ounce of regret, etc... Hate the Personality, not the gender. I know alot of women that supports us, i even know women that feels bad themselves because of the empathy they feel towards incels. There's alot of good women, especially here, that understands the struggles of the males, i think we should thank them by not making them a generality, just because we, and i say, WE, got played by stupid whores. Fuck Normies, i feel you OP, be sure i'm gonna make my ex suffers a shit ton when i die, extorting a very sadistic pleasure as i fade away to the arms of death. Doesn't matter if she is a girl, if i was a woman/still a guy, and she would be a man, there would have been the same thing, and the same ending.

in the end, not trying to give a lesson to anyone, just saying what i think, not saying it's right, just sharing my POV :) Feel free to behave/do what you want, i just think it would be better if we united and shitted together, men and women, on the same pieces of shits that torment us. After all, misery does not discriminate, so let's make it a powerful tool ;)))"

sorry, tried to answer everyone, and i'm a bit of a boomer, trying to get the hang of how the website works. Take care all o/

 

[Chinaski]

Hahaha ffs, as if my post is deleted for being a "personal attack" when this whole thread, seeking sympathy for misogyny, continues to exist. I can't help but wonder if the deletion was done by the same mod who hug-reacted the grotesque murder fantasies thread before it was deleted. Incredible scenes.

 

[HappyForever?]

Hahaha ffs, as if my post is deleted for being a "personal attack" when this whole thread, seeking sympathy for misogyny, continues to exist. I can't help but wonder if the deletion was done by the same mod who hug-reacted the grotesque murder fantasies thread before it was deleted. Incredible scenes.

The reason? Making a post explicitly trying to humiliate a member with things the member never said is against the rules. And I fail to see the misogyny in this thread. All OP said is women are not attracted to him due to situations outside his control and he talked to a woman about it and she didn't understand and he is unhappy about it. I concede that the murder fantasy might be shocking and is probably inappropriate, but mentioning it over and over again when I've explained myself clearly enough adds nothing to the discussion.

It seems that you ignored my argument altogether, and I made some false assumptions about you. As you refuse to participate in civil discussion, you will be formally added to my two-way block list. I will block you when I wake up so you will have time to see this.

 

[RainAndSadness]

And I fail to see the misogyny in this thread. All OP said is women are not attracted to him due to situations outside his control and he talked to a woman about it and she didn't understand and he is unhappy about it.

I think it's okay and valid to express frustration about your personal struggles regarding life-long loneliness, rejection and lack of meaningful relationships. There are men who struggle with these issues and I understand it's very hurtful to realize that there is nothing you can do about that. Life is very unfair in these regards, I agree. And this can result in strong ressentiment. I'm a trans woman and there are a lot of people out there that wouldn't want to date us under any circumstances. But I wonder, is it fair to criticise people for their dating preferences? And how far can we go? I'm not trying to inject my own issues into this thread or compare my situation to yours, I'm just wondering if it's constructive to blame people for (sometimes socially engineered) expectations when it comes to dating and this affects everyone, men and women and anyone in between. All of us have preferences, not just women. And they're all exclusionary in nature, right?

Regarding misogyny, what do you think about this statement here?

My suicide is a Suicide by exposure to women.

This sentiment puts the blame on every woman. They're basically implying just being exposed to women in general made them suicidal. I don't know if that's a fair to women and if that maybe isn't a bit disrespectful towards female members of this forum. Because this last sentence changes the focus of this thread from their own struggles to people who are supposedly responsible for their suicide, with a lof of judgement in it.

 

[lonewolf22]

"Just having a well paid six figure job puts you ahead of 95% of men"
This is true, and will certainly help in finding a partner, but it cannot even compare to the importance of appearance, as you are often rejected due to your appearance alone before women are able to get to know you and your financial status. Plus, this might attract people who are only after your money, and would dump you as soon as you stop giving them money.
"Being white also helps"
You cannot choose your race.
"Average and even below average looks are not deal breakers for men."
They are not deal breakers, sure, but they are great hindrances. Looking (below) average means you probably have to look for years after years to finally find someone who would accept you, and there is no guarantee.

"This is true, and will certainly help in finding a partner, but it cannot even compare to the importance of appearance, as you are often rejected due to your appearance alone before women are able to get to know you and your financial status."

This statement holds true in very specific settings like dating apps where people swipe based on physical attractiveness. In the real world, relationships are built organically through social interactions or gatherings, public events, bars, workplace and any other environment which brings people together. This is where you have ample opportunity to communicate your true value. What you lack in appearance can be compensated by other attributes you bring to the table.

They are not deal breakers, sure, but they are great hindrances. Looking (below) average means you probably have to look for years after years to finally find someone who would accept you, and there is no guarantee.

You also have to remember that "below average" is a bit non sensical in the grand scheme of things because it presupposes that there is an objective beauty standard that the entire world conforms to. People with mental illnesses also tend to see themselves in a far more unfavorable light than how others perceive them and if physical appearance becomes the underlying cause for one's mental anguish, it naturally follows that one will most likely rate their own attractiveness much more harshly than how others would. People suffering from this issue also have extremely pessimistic views about their dating prospects and use all sorts of hasty generalizations or to account for why they remain unpartnered. I think you are greatly overstating the importance of looks. Yes it can be a hindrance if you have major facial deformities but for the most part, you can get by on personality alone and if looks were really as important as you claim, there would be a much greater percentage of unpartnered men considering that 80% of men that women encounter are unattractive to them.

 

[nightnightnitrite]

You all are about to be real mad at me, but it must be said: Who put those standards into effect? "A man must provide and a woman stay home a cook and clean", "beauty standards", etc. Don't be mad you can't fit into the roll your gender assigned you. Talk to your fellow man, not women! We fit the roles you assigned us, meet us half way and do the same. We work out, starve ourselves, get cosmetic surgery to become appealing to the most basic smelly man just so we can feel worth it. You do the same?! It is a man's world don't like it? Fix it. But stop blaming women for the roles men created. We weren't even allowed to vote 100 years ago so wherever you pulled "women did this to me with their constant blah blah blah" should really stop. We are still walking holes to you, don't be mad we finally realize it are using it to our advantage now!
Edit- this was a angry post, currently going through a break up from a porn addicted, bible banging, jealous and controlling man. Sorry. But I do stand with what I said, but I do think I could have been nicer wording it. <3

 

[OceanBlue]

Love comes too easily for them. As a result, they have long grown numb to the feeling of love, and they seek partners merely for the primitive urge to have sex. Partners are nothing but emotionless meat sex toys to them, and it's only natural for them to dispose of the sex toys at the first sign of inconvenience.
I'm pretty sure people like me, who cannot find a partner despite our best efforts, would make loving and loyal partners, as we cherish love more than we value sex. Unfortunately the inside has precisely zero value when the outside is repulsive, and that's a major reason why attractive scumbags get to break one heart after another while people with hearts of gold die of loneliness.

Read my post again. Judging from your previous posts, you don't seem like an unreasonable person, so I hope we can resolve this conflict peacefully, so I edited my post to make myself clearer. You should understand that being sarcastic only makes you sound like an asshole (which I'm pretty sure you're not).

If you want an explanation for the sentence, here it is: victim blaming.

How is "women don't like us through no fault of our own and we are unhappy about it" misogyny?

If you've been wronged, rejected, isolated, humiliated by people simply because of the way you look, you ARE going to hate them. And part of that hate is desire for revenge.

You fail to see misogyny in your views? Your posts reek of entitlement, something you expect from the group you other as 'they' (btw it's extremely important that this group has less structural power than the one you belong to) - this is one of the main reasons behind gender based violence. On top of that, you are stating that you'd make a 'loving and loyal' partner and insinuate you're one of those people who have a 'heart of gold'. Your views are extremely unsettling.

I have plenty of reasons to absolutely hate women, yet i refuse to go that low or even consider thinking it is right and positive for my life/thinking. But yet i'm not a perfect someone that can just not hate anyone, i instead place my hate on both genders, and decide to target instead, those unsensitives pieces of shit, whoring themselves, freely manipulating everyone in their ranges/playing with emotions, only to throw them out when they are done playing, those kind of people, male, female, other, whatever, i don't care,

There's alot of good women, especially here, that understands the struggles of the males, i think we should thank them by not making them a generality, just because we, and i say, WE, got played by stupid whores. Fuck Normies, i feel you OP, be sure i'm gonna make my ex suffers a shit ton when i die, extorting a very sadistic pleasure as i fade away to the arms of death. Doesn't matter if she is a girl, if i was a woman/still a guy, and she would be a man, there would have been the same thing, and the same ending.

When there is no equality in the world, actions have different consequences depending on which group you belong to and which group you 'hate'. When you 'hate' a marginalised group, that results in discrimination and violence towards its members. If you're a man and write something like this, that makes your views discriminatory towards women. That's why there is no reverse discrimination, because there must be power behind 'hate' to create it. That's why the 'misandry' that is thrown around on this forum as the worst possible vice does not harm men in any way asides from hurting their feelings and shaking up that entitlement. I don't know why I have to repeat this so often, it would be great if at least admins took some time to learn about intersectionality.

 

[Snatsbats]

You fail to see misogyny in your views? Your posts reek of entitlement, something you expect from the group you other as 'they' (btw it's extremely important that this group has less structural power than the one you belong to) - this is one of the main reasons behind gender based violence. On top of that, you are stating that you'd make a 'loving and loyal' partner and insinuate you're one of those people who have a 'heart of gold'. Your views are extremely unsettling.


When there is no equality in the world, actions have different consequences depending on which group you belong to and which group you 'hate'. When you 'hate' a marginalised group, that results in discrimination and violence towards its members. If you're a man and write something like this, that makes your views discriminatory towards women. That's why there is no reverse discrimination, because there must be power behind 'hate' to create it. That's why the 'misandry' that is thrown around on this forum as the worst possible vice does not harm men in any way asides from hurting their feelings and shaking up that entitlement. I don't know why I have to repeat this so often, it would be great if at least admins took some time to learn about intersectionality.

Discrimination is discimination. Saying that its okay to hate men and not okay to hate women just because of the way the system has worked since humans existed(Men went into the world to seek and conquer, women stayed home to care for the kids), is just fucking sick. And it shows just how unempathetic most women really are towards men. Just fucking disgusting, shallow creatures, damn. Also what is this power you are talking about? The average men doesnt have any more power than an average women has in this western world. Only the top 1% or even less has this power.

 

[RainAndSadness]

I've locked this thread because this really isn't going anywhere constructive. Generalizing and insulting remarks towards anyone based on gender will be dealt with. Such claims aren't okay under any circumstances.