Venting I wish there was more acceptance for people that don't want help, and just want to die.

[some_creative_alias]

I do believe that to some capacity, people could probably help me. But I don't want it. If my body is my choice, then where is my right to die? The situation I'm in feels exhausting just to keep up with, let alone attempt to help myself.

I've been waiting for the opportunity to come, just that little piece of motivation that will get be back on my feet and set me on the road to recovery. Even if "life gets better" I can't be assed waiting another 10 years just to see if it does.

 

[Nexus]

Look, you pretty much just summed how I feel perfectly.
Maybe there is some hope, but maybe not. I guess we're just meant to grow old and senile as we grasp what could be and what could've been.

At least at the moment - I'm open to changing my mind with time - I really don't know that I want to live past 25.

 

[day]

Pro-lifers are so selfish, I get wishing people were okay but it's simply not that easy. Letting people suffer is so inhumane and grotesque. I find existence meaningless and my will to CTB should be accepted rather than criticized.

I didn't ask to be here, but I can take myself from here.

 

[PreCambrianBliss]

Kinda weird but this vid sums it up well

 

[FuneralCry]

I also wish there was and there really should be. It repluses me how there is a lack of acceptance towards the right to die in this world as the right to die is compassionate. Not everyone wants to exist here and for many the only relief lies in death, it's disgusting to expect someone to suffer against their wishes until they die anyway, it's like many people forget that we are all just going to die and be forgotten about, I could never see a point to suffering so unnecessarily when the alternative is permanent relief from this dreadful existence.

 

[DragonWingsOnFire]

Well people are really npc's then its comes too sucide. Since they all think you will regret it later if you do it, but if that is the cases, what about people who does not regret. If you are surer, go for it. If not, then don't. Its your life after all.

 

[Mirrory Me]

Yes, why, for example, assisting suicide is illegal. It's just a matter of deciding one's own life - I guess it depends on trying to decide on another's life, and how it could be beneficial.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I wish the same. What's the point in prolonging my life when I don't want to live? I'm not like others who can obtain pleasure from the small things. I just want to be dead already because there's nothing in this life that I like enough to want to continue living

 

[Mirrory Me]

I wish the same. What's the point in prolonging my life when I don't want to live? I'm not like others who can obtain pleasure from the small things. I just want to be dead already because there's nothing in this life that I like enough to want to continue living

Lack is a difficult state of mind. I guess we don't know how to be grateful naturally, but rather we have to learn direct our focus to it.

 

[WheelSucker459]

I want both

Help with death

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Lack is a difficult state of mind. I guess we don't know how to be grateful naturally, but rather we have to learn direct our focus to it.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean at all. By "lack", do you mean deprivation of good things like joy, happiness etc? As for being grateful naturally, I don't know about that as a lot of pro life people do naturally seem grateful for their own birth and for living overall and also that their present isn't as bad as living conditions were like in the past even though the living conditions right now are still far from ideal. I mean, if one thinks their life has positives which outweighs the negatives then they're more likely to naturally be grateful about that

I honestly don't understand why I should be grateful but I digress

 

[NoAIarmsNoSurprises]

Lack is a difficult state of mind. I guess we don't know how to be grateful naturally, but rather we have to learn direct our focus to it.

Grateful for what? Ah yes, I'm so grateful for this shit. So eternally grateful, I should serve as martyr to God for all the lovely things he's put me through and every living being on this planet. For all the shit He continues to allow. How grateful. How generous of Him. Namaste.

Born into a dying planet, a dysfunctional family, for the poison in our food and water and a backwards society with people like you that constantly shove down my throat how grateful I should be for this ''gift'' called life. Shit shovelers, the lot of you.

 

[Mirrory Me]

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean at all. By "lack", do you mean deprivation of good things like joy, happiness etc? As for being grateful naturally, I don't know about that as a lot of pro life people do naturally seem grateful for their own birth and for living overall and also that their present isn't as bad as living conditions were like in the past even though the living conditions right now are still far from ideal. I mean, if one thinks their life has positives which outweighs the negatives then they're more likely to naturally be grateful about that

I honestly don't understand why I should be grateful but I digress

It is an old wisdom that desire creates unhappiness in man. The desire comes from missing something. A person could experience many experiences or luxuries in life, but if there is no satisfaction or gratitude, life still feels empty. I try to remember that myself, when some things don't feel "good enough".

Grateful for what? Ah yes, I'm so grateful for this shit. So eternally grateful, I should serve as martyr to God for all the lovely things he's put me through and every living being on this planet. For all the shit He continues to allow. How grateful. How generous of Him. Namaste.

Born into a dying planet, a dysfunctional family, for the poison in our food and water and a backwards society with people like you that constantly shoves down my throat how grateful I should be for this ''gift'' called life. Shit shovelers, the lot of you.

A common sense is enough as a reason, but also it gives us positivity when things might be difficult.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

It is an old wisdom that desire creates unhappiness in man. The desire comes from missing something. A person could experience many experiences or luxuries in life, but if there is no satisfaction or gratitude, life still feels empty. I try to remember that myself, when some things don't feel "good enough".

I can't really dispute this. In fact, this is one of the reasons that makes me like death so much more. I believe that there's permanent non existence after death and hence that means that having desires whilst being dead is impossible. But, nonetheless, I guess this is something that is applicable during life too with the exception of basic necessities as it's impossible to not desire basic necessities whilst being alive

 

[NoAIarmsNoSurprises]

It is an old wisdom that desire creates unhappiness in man. The desire comes from missing something. A person could experience many experiences or luxuries in life, but if there is no satisfaction or gratitude, life still feels empty. I try to remember that myself, when some things don't feel "good enough".

A common sense is enough as a reason, but also it gives us positivity when things might be difficult.

People only want what we were promised, what we were told to expect, fight and live for. Maybe we wouldn't have desired these things if society didn't sell it to us in ever piece of fiction and media there is out there. Love, community, warmth, connection and understanding. This is what makes us human. Desire is what makes us human. A lot of us are here because we've been given anything but, because we've given up on our wants and needs and have come to desire nothing. If we have nothing left of life to desire then we are as good as dead. Desire isn't just about dissatisfaction with what we already have, it is both our wants and needs. And what I need right now, is not to be told to be grateful when all I've ever desired is for this world to make sense, to play fair, for people to genuinely care about each other and the world around them.

 

[MatrixPrisoner]

The only thing we can do is help ourselves. Much like the legions of people that sucessfully got on the bus before us did. Even opting for peaceful legal euthansia involves overcoming survival instinct. There is no avoiding it.

 

[Argo]

There are lots of positive things to wish for that aren't possible in our world. We could wish for a world where people were genuine, pro-social. Or a world that was fair, or rewarded goodness. None of those things are possible in our world because of physics. The physics is the reason the biology behaves the way it does (where the winning games are power/survival). And the way the biology behaves, is the reason why it's a hellscape for conscious creatures, because what the DNA is doing ( the unconscious driving force of all life on Earth ), is looking to maximize its fitness. The DNA does not care about ethics, or what's true, it only cares about being as "survivaly" as possible. Nothing more.

So what happens then is... imagine a game being played-- any game with rules, like chess. So imagine that the rules of Chess represent ethics. Since there is no referee in our world, no judge standing outside of the game, to make sure the two players who play, follow the rules, this means the player who wins doesn't have to play by the rules. They can just sneak pieces off the opponent's board any time they aren't looking. Or they can just shoot their opponent in the head. Anything goes.
At this point some people may say,

"But we do have rules, laws. They punish these kinds of law breakers. And even before civilizations and laws, we had social norms where the group would gang up on people who misbehave"

The difference here is , this doesn't actually reduce cheating, it reduces unskilled cheating. It slowly creates a kind of perfect cheater. Because if it was a fair world, you would see things get more and more fair with time. But the world actually gets more *unfair* with time, because what DNA does is it distills power, it's a kind of power maximizer. And that power is not a power that cares about the rules, because caring about the rules when there is no referee, is pointless. It just becomes the referee, until something more powerful comes along. That is the reason why this reality is a version of hell, where nothing genuine or kind or fair can ever flourish.

The reason for writing that all out, is it explains every possible grievance you can have. It's why suicidal people won't be allowed to die, because it is inconvenient for the powerful, but also inconvenient for your own DNA , which is trying to "win", contrary to your own personal values. You just want to rest, and stop fighting this constant uphill battle with all signs pointing to more misery. The DNA doesn't care. The kings and queens of the world don't care.

 

[Mirrory Me]

I can't really dispute this. In fact, this is one of the reasons that makes me like death so much more. I believe that there's permanent non existence after death and hence that means that having desires whilst being dead is impossible. But, nonetheless, I guess this is something that is applicable during life too with the exception of basic necessities as it's impossible to not desire basic necessities whilst being alive

Aha, I think it's a scary and rather depressing thought that after death you completely cease to exist. I would personally believe (based on my observations), that our energy can remain here as a part of the cosmos, as a creative / spiritual "electricity", that some call "god".

People only want what we were promised, what we were told to expect, fight and live for. Maybe we wouldn't have desired these things if society didn't sell it to us in ever piece of fiction and media there is out there. Love, community, warmth, connection and understanding. This is what makes us human. Desire is what makes us human. A lot of us are here because we've been given anything but, because we've given up on our wants and needs and have come to desire nothing. If we have nothing left of life to desire then we are as good as dead. Desire isn't just about dissatisfaction with what we already have, it is both our wants and needs. And what I need right now, is not to be told to be grateful when all I've ever desired is for this world to make sense, to play fair, for people to genuinely care about each other and the world around them.

It's a shame if you haven't been able to experience these things in your life. Not all events, information or energy may resonate well with you.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

There are lots of positive things to wish for that aren't possible in our world. We could wish for a world where people were genuine, pro-social. Or a world that was fair, or rewarded goodness. None of those things are possible in our world because of physics. The physics is the reason the biology behaves the way it does (where the winning games are power/survival). And the way the biology behaves, is the reason why it's a hellscape for conscious creatures, because what the DNA is doing ( the unconscious driving force of all life on Earth ), is looking to maximize its fitness. The DNA does not care about ethics, or what's true, it only cares about being as "survivaly" as possible. Nothing more.

So what happens then is... imagine a game being played-- any game with rules, like chess. So imagine that the rules of Chess represent ethics. Since there is no referee in our world, no judge standing outside of the game, to make sure the two players who play, follow the rules, this means the player who wins doesn't have to play by the rules. They can just sneak pieces off the opponent's board any time they aren't looking. Or they can just shoot their opponent in the head. Anything goes.
At this point some people may say,

"But we do have rules, laws. They punish these kinds of law breakers. And even before civilizations and laws, we had social norms where the group would gang up on people who misbehave"

The difference here is , this doesn't actually reduce cheating, it reduces unskilled cheating. It slowly creates a kind of perfect cheater. Because if it was a fair world, you would see things get more and more fair with time. But the world actually gets more *unfair* with time, because what DNA does is it distills power, it's a kind of power maximizer. And that power is not a power that cares about the rules, because caring about the rules when there is no referee, is pointless. It just becomes the referee, until something more powerful comes along. That is the reason why this reality is a version of hell, where nothing genuine or kind or fair can ever flourish.

The reason for writing that all out, is it explains every possible grievance you can have. It's why suicidal people won't be allowed to die, because it is inconvenient for the powerful, but also inconvenient for your own DNA , which is trying to "win", contrary to your own personal values. You just want to rest, and stop fighting this constant uphill battle with all signs pointing to more misery. The DNA doesn't care. The kings and queens of the world don't care.

All of this is so well said holy shit. It summarises the darwinian hellscape we're in

Aha, I think it's a scary and rather depressing thought that after death you completely cease to exist. I would personally believe (based on my observations), that our energy can remain here as a part of the cosmos, as a creative / spiritual "electricity", that some call "god".

I don't know why that thought scares or depresses most people. Maybe it's because they consider it as it depriving all of the good moments they can have here? As for me, permanent cessation is completely beautiful and blissful as I've always longed for complete inertia... I never wanted to function or speak or feel etc. I do think it's valid to be scared of permanent cessation but I still can never understand what's scary about it and I bet that, similarly, people can't understand why I love the idea of permanent cessation so much

 

[NoAIarmsNoSurprises]

There are lots of positive things to wish for that aren't possible in our world. We could wish for a world where people were genuine, pro-social. Or a world that was fair, or rewarded goodness. None of those things are possible in our world because of physics. The physics is the reason the biology behaves the way it does (where the winning games are power/survival). And the way the biology behaves, is the reason why it's a hellscape for conscious creatures, because what the DNA is doing ( the unconscious driving force of all life on Earth ), is looking to maximize its fitness. The DNA does not care about ethics, or what's true, it only cares about being as "survivaly" as possible. Nothing more.

So what happens then is... imagine a game being played-- any game with rules, like chess. So imagine that the rules of Chess represent ethics. Since there is no referee in our world, no judge standing outside of the game, to make sure the two players who play, follow the rules, this means the player who wins doesn't have to play by the rules. They can just sneak pieces off the opponent's board any time they aren't looking. Or they can just shoot their opponent in the head. Anything goes.
At this point some people may say,

"But we do have rules, laws. They punish these kinds of law breakers. And even before civilizations and laws, we had social norms where the group would gang up on people who misbehave"

The difference here is , this doesn't actually reduce cheating, it reduces unskilled cheating. It slowly creates a kind of perfect cheater. Because if it was a fair world, you would see things get more and more fair with time. But the world actually gets more *unfair* with time, because what DNA does is it distills power, it's a kind of power maximizer. And that power is not a power that cares about the rules, because caring about the rules when there is no referee, is pointless. It just becomes the referee, until something more powerful comes along. That is the reason why this reality is a version of hell, where nothing genuine or kind or fair can ever flourish.

The reason for writing that all out, is it explains every possible grievance you can have. It's why suicidal people won't be allowed to die, because it is inconvenient for the powerful, but also inconvenient for your own DNA , which is trying to "win", contrary to your own personal values. You just want to rest, and stop fighting this constant uphill battle with all signs pointing to more misery. The DNA doesn't care. The kings and queens of the world don't care.

I know this all to well and this is exactly the reason why I want out. All roads lead back to pessimism and/or screaming into the void. Nothing looks back, nothing hears you, it is indifferent to our suffering and I no longer want to pretend like anything I do or say has any genuine impact or meaning behind it. There is nothing for me here but disappointment and more suffering. The biggest kindness I can do for myself is to opt out of the game altogether. Let the Kings and Queens take over the board for all I care till there is nothing left. Let it rot. I never asked to be a pawn in this sick twisted game called ''Life''. My dna will just have to suck it up because there is nothing in this world that is going to force me to stay here any longer than I intend to.