I want the NDE

[tilsleepcomes]

I had an opioid overdose, and I have no memory of any kind of experience.

When I CTB, I want to have the bright light, etc.

In general, which methods are most likely to generate these?

Like, bleeding out, pills, etc.

 

[Smart No More]

It's just a theory but I think the NDE is a result of the release of DMT that's triggered as a person dies. There's a realease of a few chemicals which seemingly cause a kind of peaceful acceptance but they ate probably preceded by quite a lot of suffering. I'm not sure if using sedating drugs would stop this occuring or not but its worth considering. It may just be that you didn't get near enough. Or it could be that you did experience something but don't remember it. For example, drugs such as zolpidem and benzos cause significant amnesia the following day but whilst you're awake on them you are still experiencing things. You just forget. As you don't plan on waking up you aren't going to remember the experience either way. Though I get why you might have some fear of missing out.

I guess there's the option of inducing the experience artificially as DMT is something that's available. Most people describe their experience as somewhat akin to an NDE. It scares me tbh. Not sure if I would want it. Probably too many psychedelic experiences from my wreckless years putting me off.

 

[_Minsk]

Ive seen a nde report by someone who od on heroin and she experienced the white light, i could imagine that people have to be really close to being dead in order to experience it.

 

[Alex6216]

It's just a theory but I think the NDE is a result of the release of DMT that's triggered as a person dies. There's a realease of a few chemicals which seemingly cause I kind of peaceful acceptance but they ate probably preceded by quite a lot of suffering. I'm not sure if using sedating drugs would stop this occuring or not but its worth considering. It may just be that you didn't get near enough. Or it could be that you did experience something but don't remember it. For example, drugs such as zolpidem and benzos cause significant amnesia the following day but whikst your awake on them you are still experiencing things. You just forget. As you don't plan on waking up you aren't going to remember the experience either way. Though I get why you might have some fear of missing out.

I guess there's the option of inducing the experience artificially as DMT is something that's available. Most people describe their experience as somewhat akin to an NDE. It scares me tbh. Ot sure if I would want it. Probably too many psychedelic experiences from my wreckless years putting me off.

It's lack of oxygen to the brain, not DMT, that supposedly is the culprit behind NDEs. This would suggest most suicide methods would cause an NDE, with the exception being ones that involve destruction of the brain like a shotgun blast to the brain-stem, as they all involve reducing oxygen to the brain; Opioids lead to respiratory depression leading to a lack of oxygen, SN leads to haemoglobin being converted to methahaemoglobin which causes the brain not to receive enough oxygen, hanging reduces blood-flow to the brain which causes a reduction of oxygen to the brain. Metoclopramide might be able to achieve an NDE since dopamine abnormalities also influences NDEs, metoclopramide does things to dopamine which also helps with nausea as 'brain chemicals' also affect the body too.
I do agree with the second part, DMT might be able to provide an experience similar to an NDE.

Peace of Mind: Near-Death Experiences Now Found to Have Scientific Explanations

Seeing your life pass before you and the light at the end of the tunnel, can be explained by new research on abnormal functioning of dopamine and oxygen flow

www.scientificamerican.com

Scientific Explanations of the Near-Death Experience

There has been a lot of mystery surrounding what is known as near-death experiences or NDEs. The term was coined in psychiatrist Raymond Moody’s popular book Life After Life (1975), in which he detailed people’s testimonials of their NDEs. Moody interviewed 150 people who...

www.samwoolfe.com

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/1073858404270885

 

[Smart No More]

There is a release of DMT whilst approaching death though right?

Its quite interesting how we have coping mechanisms that follow death because these are surely not traits that are passed on from an evolutionary perspective as nobody makes babies after death. It offers up the obvious question of why and brings into question what we do or don't know about the motivating factors that influence what's passed on through evolution. There's the common understanding of the strong survive out of pure natural selection which makes a lot of sense. It just doesn't account for everything. Maybe it's that we have a kind of empathetic ability to project influence some elements of our evolution. Maybe it's just pure coincidence. But there's seemingly no current explanation as to why we even have DMT resources in our brain. It kind of suggest there's still so much to know and offers a little bit of hope for something after. Something which my current logical understanding completely rules out. I've staunchly believed for a long time ime that we die and that's that but having lost so much (prematurely) to ilness it's hars to accept the lost and unmet potential. Whilst I don't let this influence my views I do find myself kind of hoping something we arw totally unaware of will somehow provide a continuation and fundamental return to my previous self when my life here has ended. Oddly, I find myself wishing for a return to life here even in the face of such a bleak life on this planet given all the shit that's going on now in humanity and the damage we've done to our planet. Funny how losing something makes you desire it more.

Apologies for indulging my instinct to go on a tangent there. I hope it's near enough to be considered on topic.

 

[Veraln]

The latest research I've heard somehow differed
So, there is several components that charactize a NDE and temptative scientific explanations sum it up like this

30 seconds after cardiac arrest, a peak of electrical activity would occur before the cerebral death, which could potentially explain the "life review event" and "tunnel with light".
Despite a flat EEG, neurons are initially still alive and release neurotransmitters massively, leading to a residual activity In other words, after several minutes past the last breath, neurons get activated again, release energy and blossom into a tsunami in slow motion of images and memories

Out of body experiences could correspond to the stimulation of a very specific part of the brain and happen in other situations to jetplane pilots, high mountain climbers, during high fever, meditation or trans, an orgasm, with Ketamine / DMT, etc

The corpse apparently releases opiods when it suffers a lot nearing the end, explaining the high sensations of joy and peace

It was also demonstrated that the interpretation is dependent on the culture, exposure to religion or spirituality and in this way varies around the globe

All of it, these processes would be part of a program attempting to delay the death and make it enjoyable (hormons also at play) ...although the mindset and context could influence the outcome how a NDE is felt, either good or bad (10%-20%). Some studies measured that suicidal people would experience more nightmarish NDEs (other times, this criteria was irreleant)

That's for the naturalist approach.
More and more smart people and physicians included nourrish a belief in semi-spoken words that our reality (3D & time) is a production of an everlasting consciousness captured by the brain acting merely as an antenna. Once dead, it'd survive in other realms (8D)
This could tend to go hand in hand with other studies revealing those with mental illness report less or no NDEs (i.e. their antenna would be supposedly damaged)

 

[tilsleepcomes]

The DMT release is new to me. I will have to look into this.

If it has a lot to do with lack of oxygen, I guess maybe I wasn't close enough, or just don't remember, as you suggest.

True that I won't remember an NDE either way, but it sounds like such a positive experience that I don't want to miss out on it.

 

[Smart No More]

The DMT release is new to me. I will have to look into this.

If it has a lot to do with lack of oxygen, I guess maybe I wasn't close enough, or just don't remember, as you suggest.

True that I won't remember an NDE either way, but it sounds like such a positive experience that I don't want to miss out on it.

It may be that I heard the DMT release thing somewhere but it wasn't true. I'll look it up also.

I don't blame you for not wanting to miss out though, like I say.
Did a quick search. Here are some of the results from the first page......

A DMT trip 'feels like dying' - and scientists now agree

A new scientific study suggests strong similarities between near death experiences and the psychedelic drug

www.bbc.co.uk

The psychedelic drug that could explain our belief in life after death | Little Atoms

.... Scientists have discovered DMT, the Class A hallucinogenic, naturally occurs in the body, and may contain clues about what happens when we die, and why people see fairies

littleatoms.com

Does the human body make DMT? — Brain Stuff

Answer: The substance DMT is known to be a psychedelic with hallucinogenic properties, and it is believed the human body synthesizes the substance endogenously.

brainstuff.org

 

[Veraln]

Its quite interesting how we have coping mechanisms that follow death because these are surely not traits that are passed on from an evolutionary perspective as nobody makes babies after death.

A hypothesis is that the NDE symptoms are an evolution of the development in animal species known as the Thanatos behavior when mimicing a death under the attack of a predator. Under such situation of threat, it would represent an advanced defense mechanism as an escape to a more bearable and positive reality

 

[Alex6216]

There is a release of DMT whilst approaching death though right?

I thought so too but further investigation led to this not being the case. It can however release during specific prayers and meditations but I havent looked into that really so could be a rumour

A hypothesis is that the NDE symptoms are an evolution of the development in animal species known as the Thanatos behavior when mimicing a death under the attack of a predator. Under such situation of threat, it would represent an advanced defense mechanism as an escape to a more bearable and positive reality

I highly doubt that's the case. Evolution in its simplest term is organisms with mutations having more kids causing the mutation to be more common, I doubt animals with the ability to experience a NDE would have more kids because an NDE requires you to be almost dead and without modern medicine you'd be dead, dead things cant have kids...

 

[mind3de]

NDE's are why I'm scared to CTB. 9 years ago I had an experience which was close to an NDE.
I tried killing myself by train. It was really weird, because a few meters away from the the rails I saw my mother (which looked kind of evil, like a witch) and other human-like entities (which to me felt like I already knew them for a very long time, WTF?) and I even saw a reaper right in front of me, like he was waiting already to get me. He looked like he was annoyed by his job.

I also saw someone which I think was my uncle who CTB in the 90s. He was making desperate movements / signs with his hands and arms trying me to not CTB. Like he was warning me of something.

So I stepped back again. I still don't know if I just hallucinated or if that was real. Was this all just SI? I don't know.

 

[Z-bar]

DMT. DMT, that absolutely will give you what you are looking for

 

[joptr]

NDEs are real, they can be chemically induced but thats not to say they arent real. I'm hoping to get one too, and preparing positive loving energy before i go. The evidence of witnessing people talking and details after brain death cant be faked.

 

[HoneyandGlass]

Has anyone read about or heard of negative NDEs which are not shrouded in Christian faith?

 

[Smart No More]

Has anyone read about or heard of negative NDEs which are not shrouded in Christian faith?

That's an interesting question.

I'm not sure that all NDE's are actually shrouded in Christian faith but I understand where you're coming from. I think NDE's may essentially be informed by an element of subconscious influences from ones past and are therefore varied in there 'shrowding' however much like the pictures of extra terrestrials (which people claim to see) are very similar it's potentially the result of a kind of aquired concensus. So those that are Christian might say the light leads to heaven. Those that are agnostic may claim the light was calling but they know not where it led and atheists may claim its the passage to another dimension of being or even just the peaceful acceptance of death.

That's all conjecture though I guess as I'm speculating. I do think there's some logic and sense to it though. I'd fancy my odds on this being the when viewing reports of NDE's. Although I do think there's the element of those that claim it happened falsely and they're usually (in my opinion) the types of people who like to consider themselves 'spiritual' (whatever that means) in some form or another. They make it hard to record things with 100% accuracy.

 

[Alex6216]

NDE's are why I'm scared to CTB. 9 years ago I had an experience which was close to an NDE.
I tried killing myself by train. It was really weird, because a few meters away from the the rails I saw my mother (which looked kind of evil, like a witch) and other human-like entities (which to me felt like I already knew them for a very long time, WTF?) and I even saw a reaper right in front of me, like he was waiting already to get me. He looked like he was annoyed by his job.

I also saw someone which I think was my uncle who CTB in the 90s. He was making desperate movements / signs with his hands and arms trying me to not CTB. Like he was warning me of something.

So I stepped back again. I still don't know if I just hallucinated or if that was real. Was this all just SI? I don't know.

Damn that's really scary. I too am scared of encountering something, like a witch or demon or any 'thing' which is human-like in appearance, moments before dying. A shotgun to the brain stem would probably be the best way to die to be honest since it will kill you immediately so you wont be witnessing anything during moments of death.
Before anyone asks how to die via a gun, I already said so in my profile.

 

[toasterbath]

NDE's are why I'm scared to CTB. 9 years ago I had an experience which was close to an NDE.
I tried killing myself by train. It was really weird, because a few meters away from the the rails I saw my mother (which looked kind of evil, like a witch) and other human-like entities (which to me felt like I already knew them for a very long time, WTF?) and I even saw a reaper right in front of me, like he was waiting already to get me. He looked like he was annoyed by his job.

I also saw someone which I think was my uncle who CTB in the 90s. He was making desperate movements / signs with his hands and arms trying me to not CTB. Like he was warning me of something.

So I stepped back again. I still don't know if I just hallucinated or if that was real. Was this all just SI? I don't know.

that's really creepy. reminds me of the sleep paralysis episodes i've been getting i saw my dead mom hovering above me and just like felt trapped and in fear. i do think it can just be our subconscious and a flush of different brain chemicals but yeah there's always gonna be SI and fear of the unknown

 

[betternever2havbeen]

that's really creepy. reminds me of the sleep paralysis episodes i've been getting i saw my dead mom hovering above me and just like felt trapped and in fear. i do think it can just be our subconscious and a flush of different brain chemicals but yeah there's always gonna be SI and fear of the unknown

You can actually get an out of body experience from the sleep paralysis state if you know what to do which is pretty close to a NDE. Sleep paralysis doesn't scare me although t's been ages since I had it as I don't sleep on my back. I know nothing can harm me and it's just because my mind has woken up before my body!