TAW122
Emissary of the right to die.
- Aug 30, 2018
- 6,686
Here is an example of a post by a pro-lifer posted to this person's (u/PragmaRose) thread.
The user is by the name of u/degustibus and he said:
I get he may genuinely want to help, but I see it more as an intellectual dishonesty. He starts off by claiming that nobody is forcing the OP to live (which is untrue - because if OP tried to CTB but failed or stopped before OP could actually attempt, then OP would be subject to a psych hold and possibly be committed, treated against OP's will). Also, as far as nobody guilt tripping, again that is another false projection because people are oftenly (even if subtly) hinting that CTB is not a solution, it's not an option, and oftenly hints at living or even microaggressions towards pro-choice people. I'll agree with one point though, we do have an innate will to live, which is called the survival instinct and no, it's not rational, but a part of our biological programming (which is the reason why a lot of us as a species still exist today).
It's astonishing how the person goes from making false claims and then near the end encourages OP to live. I seldom see such intellectual dishonesty and incongruity, but when I do, I feel like exposing the fallacy here.
The user is by the name of u/degustibus and he said:
Nobody here is forcing you to live. Nobody here is trying to make you feel guilty for thoughts and desires. Even when our lives are horrible, we have an innate will to live. It varies in strength among people, but it's quite real. This drive actually counteracts many suicidal impulses. As for your guilt over wanting to end the pain, you don't have guilt over taking an aspirin or Vicodin, but almost everybody would feel guilt about planning a murder. Your euphemism doesn't fool your own brain.
One of the best little books I ever read is by Viktor Frankl, Man's Search For Meaning. He had been in a concentration camp under the Nazis and helped fellow prisoners. What he learned there helped him as a therapist the rest of his life. He would often ask a seriously depressed/suicidal patient, "Why haven't you killed yourself already?"
Quite often the answers you provide to this question will start you on the path of self discovery to living with greater peace. For me right now, I don't want to harm my young son. I also think it would hurt my mom a great deal. And there are some other relatives who would be aghast. But mostly my son and mom. I've also resigned myself largely to the idea that if I've made it this far, I can hang in there a bit longer.
Rather than ruminate about ending it, maybe we can brainstorm ways you could make your life a bit better??
I get he may genuinely want to help, but I see it more as an intellectual dishonesty. He starts off by claiming that nobody is forcing the OP to live (which is untrue - because if OP tried to CTB but failed or stopped before OP could actually attempt, then OP would be subject to a psych hold and possibly be committed, treated against OP's will). Also, as far as nobody guilt tripping, again that is another false projection because people are oftenly (even if subtly) hinting that CTB is not a solution, it's not an option, and oftenly hints at living or even microaggressions towards pro-choice people. I'll agree with one point though, we do have an innate will to live, which is called the survival instinct and no, it's not rational, but a part of our biological programming (which is the reason why a lot of us as a species still exist today).
It's astonishing how the person goes from making false claims and then near the end encourages OP to live. I seldom see such intellectual dishonesty and incongruity, but when I do, I feel like exposing the fallacy here.