I raised euthanasia on social media and it was very disappointing

[darkenmydoorstep]

Just lying here again, so very, very weary.
I tried to raise the topic of euthanasia on my social media yesterday and some of the replies were very depressing. Many are just too concerned about vulnerable people being bullied into it or 'the state' being involved knowing how corrupt it is.

I hear the man I love talking about it and even he is against it despite having told me on several occasions he wants to do himself in. Many talk about the 3rd party involvement being the concern but most of us here don't want anyone else involved at all, we just want a peaceful pill readily available that we can access and take without any third party.
The whole thing is still massively understood isn't it?

One person said of the Netherlands woman soon to die(Google her) "she needs a hug, some sunlight and a puppy". For real. What universe are these people in? People really do see another's suffering through their own jolly lense don't they?

The mean part of me hopes such people go on to eat their words and fucking suffer either physically or mentally so they know the true torture some of us here go though. See how fucking perky and full of glib shit they are then.

 

[Malaria]

Yeah I had to step off social media today because I saw rhetoric like that, and I knew if I engaged with that, it would just set me off. I'm already stressed enough as it is, I don't need more of that. Pro-lifers can go be insufferable somewhere far away from me.

 

[Camper]

Many pro-lifers have severely suffered. Don't make assumptions like that.

 

[UKscotty]

I sort of agree. I wouldn't want to see it here in the UK for example with our current pro-suicide government.

In theory it sounds like a good idea but right wing governments would use it as a way to encourage the poor, disabled or vulnerable to CTB rather than providing help and support.

It's something that will need to be implemented after the health and social services are fixed, which is unlikely to ever happen.

 

[willitpass]

It's a highly nuanced topic, you do have to have some grace for people. I also think that for the most part this is such a divisive issue it will be hard to ever come to a compromise. People who experience severe enough suffering to reach this point feel very strongly that assisted suicide should be available while those who have lost someone or who have managed to recover feel so strongly that it should never be allowed. Very few people are going to have some sort of middle ground stance on this, and the ones who do typically reserve it for physical illness. I don't think there is a good argument to get people to come from their personal black and white stance. As angry as we get about suicide being hard to achieve, these people feel equally strongly that it should never happen. The emotions are far too high on all sides.

 

[darkenmydoorstep]

Yeah I had to step off social media today because I saw rhetoric like that, and I knew if I engaged with that, it would just set me off. I'm already stressed enough as it is, I don't need more of that. Pro-lifers can go be insufferable somewhere far away from me.

I get that some doctors might not want to be involved but just offer a pill we pop that no one has to administer. We just want to do it peacefully, painlessly.

Many pro-lifers have severely suffered. Don't make assumptions like that.

then they've clearly learned nothing

It's a highly nuanced topic, you do have to have some grace for people. I also think that for the most part this is such a divisive issue it will be hard to ever come to a compromise. People who experience severe enough suffering to reach this point feel very strongly that assisted suicide should be available while those who have lost someone or who have managed to recover feel so strongly that it should never be allowed. Very few people are going to have some sort of middle ground stance on this, and the ones who do typically reserve it for physical illness. I don't think there is a good argument to get people to come from their personal black and white stance. As angry as we get about suicide being hard to achieve, these people feel equally strongly that it should never happen. The emotions are far too high on all sides.

I see these people as my oppressors. They stand in the way of my peaceful, pain free accesible death. I bet most of them take their pets to be euthanised, hypocritical bastards.

 

[ijustwishtodie]

It sickens me as to how anti suicide people are as well as how pro suffering people are as well. People don't want euthanasia to be legalised because they want us to work as wage slaves for the rest of our lives. It's rare to get euthanasia period and the ones who do get euthanasia are the ones who already slaved their entire life away. Pro lifers make me feel so sick in my stomach... this feels awful. I honestly hope that society reforms soon and allows euthanasia to those who need it but unfortunately I think it would take at least a millennium for this to achieve... that is if it ever does. The human species is so cruel and awful

 

[BardBarrie]

I sort of agree. I wouldn't want to see it here in the UK for example with our current pro-suicide government.

In theory it sounds like a good idea but right wing governments would use it as a way to encourage the poor, disabled or vulnerable to CTB rather than providing help and support.

It's something that will need to be implemented after the health and social services are fixed, which is unlikely to ever happen.

I dunno about you but I'd choose euthanasia over suicide any day. Currently the UK is just left with the latter.

 

[darkenmydoorstep]

I dunno about you but I'd choose euthanasia over suicide any day. Currently the UK is just left with the latter.

At least Scotland sound like they're getting a foot in the door.

Could assisted dying be coming to Scotland?

MSPs will get the chance to make Scotland the first part of the UK to let people legally end their lives.

www.bbc.com

Much as I hate some of their other left wing policies, this is one I welcome.

I dunno about you but I'd choose euthanasia over suicide any day. Currently the UK is just left with the latter.

I don't want or need someone to inject me.
I want an over the counter pill or liquid I can take myself. The same restrictions as alcohol currently has in the UK - Ie over 18s only and don't serve anyone if their head looks too mashed, needs to be done in a rational frame of mind.

 

[BardBarrie]

At least Scotland sound like they're getting a foot in the door.

Could assisted dying be coming to Scotland?

MSPs will get the chance to make Scotland the first part of the UK to let people legally end their lives.

www.bbc.com

Much as I hate some of their other left wing policies, this is one I welcome.

I don't want or need someone to inject me.
I want an over the counter pill or liquid I can take myself. The same restrictions as alcohol currently has in the UK - Ie over 18s only and don't serve anyone if their head looks too mashed, needs to be done in a rational frame of mind.

It's currently just for the terminally ill, but like you said: it's a foot in the door.

 

[Little_Suzy]

Just lying here again, so very, very weary.
I tried to raise the topic of euthanasia on my social media yesterday and some of the replies were very depressing. Many are just too concerned about vulnerable people being bullied into it or 'the state' being involved knowing how corrupt it is.

I hear the man I love talking about it and even he is against it despite having told me on several occasions he wants to do himself in. Many talk about the 3rd party involvement being the concern but most of us here don't want anyone else involved at all, we just want a peaceful pill readily available that we can access and take without any third party.
The whole thing is still massively understood isn't it?

One person said of the Netherlands woman soon to die(Google her) "she needs a hug, some sunlight and a puppy". For real. What universe are these people in? People really do see another's suffering through their own jolly lense don't they?

The mean part of me hopes such people go on to eat their words and fucking suffer either physically or mentally so they know the true torture some of us here go though. See how fucking perky and full of glib shit they are then.

Within the mental health community, two camps have formed, each with their own set of interests.

Legalize Euthanasia vs. Increase Financial Benefits

Mentally ill people who want more disability benefits, not the "pro-lifers," are shaming the government for "killing mentally ill people living in poverty instead of helping them."

On a recent SaSu CAN MAID thread, most people stated that they wanted the government to assist them with large checks, not a peaceful pill!

 

[darkenmydoorstep]

Within the mental health community, two camps have formed, each with their own set of interests.

Legalize Euthanasia vs. Increase Financial Benefits

Mentally ill people who want more disability benefits, not the "pro-lifers," are shaming the government for "killing poor, mentally ill people instead of helping them."

On a recent SaSu CAN MAID thread, most people stated that they wanted the government to assist them with large checks, not a peaceful pill!

Maybe because they think there more chance of that happening and they're right.

It's currently just for the terminally ill, but like you said: it's a foot in the door.

I agree and that pisses me off but it's a start.

 

[Little_Suzy]

Maybe because they think there more chance of that happening and they're right.

I agree and that pisses me off but it's a start.

It is critical not to undermine the efforts of those suffering from mental illness who advocate for the legalization of euthanasia.

We can have both. Presently, only disability benefits are available; there is no peaceful pill.

 

[damyon]

My interactions with social media have been the same, OP. Profound ignorance and blatant hypocrisy... Stay strong.

then they've clearly learned nothing

They might be oblivious to their own suffering. They might never understand it...



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A bit off-topic: I think the reason why acceptance of euthanasia is not mainstream is because this idea does not survive in a literal sense. As a result, it fails to gain a critical mass of support to become accepted by the majority.

 

[rozeske]

It's something to be expected from the general media and not surprising at all. As slow as it is, there seems to be some improvements on the topic compared to previous times. I believe they will improve in the future but would we be around to enjoy the fruits of it is another question.

 

[FuneralCry]

I don't understand those who are against the option of euthanasia/peaceful ways to die as after all everyone's going to die anyway, do they really want to die slowly and painfully from old age. And there is literally no limit as to how torturous existing can get, so to me it's insane to be against the option of suicide for that reason, people should be able to choose when they die in a peaceful, guaranteed way and I despise those who are against what should be a basic human right.

 

[Alex Fermentopathy]

It's a highly nuanced topic, you do have to have some grace for people. I also think that for the most part this is such a divisive issue it will be hard to ever come to a compromise. People who experience severe enough suffering to reach this point feel very strongly that assisted suicide should be available while those who have lost someone or who have managed to recover feel so strongly that it should never be allowed.

It's offensive how people decide for others. Would be honest to allow it for those who is pro-euthanasia and forbid it for those who against it.

 

[Jorms_McGander]

I don't act out as a symptom of my mental health, so it means that when I want to become violent with people who tell me that Canada's doctors are forcing patients toward euthanasia, I know it's not symptomatic of my conditions. It's symptomatic of them being busybody assholes with nothing better to do than meddle in spreading disinformation because they've never learned how to cope with a negative emotion and god help the human being who makes a decision which causes them to experience a negative feeling.

I'm angry thinking about the shit people just say about euthanasia from a place of pure fucking ignorance. I'd like to give them all something negative to cope with on top of my inevitable suicide, but I will restrain myself and settle for honesty as I prepare for my own death. Their lack of emotional preparation will never again be my problem.

 

[SuicidalTiger]

Just lying here again, so very, very weary.
I tried to raise the topic of euthanasia on my social media yesterday and some of the replies were very depressing. Many are just too concerned about vulnerable people being bullied into it or 'the state' being involved knowing how corrupt it is.

I hear the man I love talking about it and even he is against it despite having told me on several occasions he wants to do himself in. Many talk about the 3rd party involvement being the concern but most of us here don't want anyone else involved at all, we just want a peaceful pill readily available that we can access and take without any third party.
The whole thing is still massively understood isn't it?

One person said of the Netherlands woman soon to die(Google her) "she needs a hug, some sunlight and a puppy". For real. What universe are these people in? People really do see another's suffering through their own jolly lense don't they?

The mean part of me hopes such people go on to eat their words and fucking suffer either physically or mentally so they know the true torture some of us here go though. See how fucking perky and full of glib shit they are then.

Why would you raise death with normal people? The average person cares little beyond clubbing, their worthless work, and what is on TV. Stay with us, we are your friends.

 

[DeadButDreaming]

I sort of agree. I wouldn't want to see it here in the UK for example with our current pro-suicide government.

In theory it sounds like a good idea but right wing governments would use it as a way to encourage the poor, disabled or vulnerable to CTB rather than providing help and support.

It's right wing parties who oppose euthanasia, an illogical thing to do if you're salivating over using it to perpetrate a furtive genocide.

I'm appalled by the lack of compassion too, but the right to bodily autonomy is slowly prevailing. Of course, it won't extend to us, except here and there. If you can't see a person's suffering on an x-ray it doesn't exist apparently.