And know that I definitely won't go to hell itd make it all so much easier :( I know this is obvious stuff but yeah just how I'm feeling
Hello, I'm not sure how to respond to this, but I know when I think of death, I see peace that I do not have here. This, on top of everything going on in the world, makes my decision easier to CTB.
Of course, I can't prove anything, but I don't see any evidence for hell being a possibile scenario. The important thing is to think of it this way (in my view): if you have just one life, is there anything in this life that encourages you to continue with it? Day in and day out, consider what is good and what is bad, and on balance where do you land? As I get older it's harder to rationalize continuing with life. And I am comfortable with that.
DesperateOne
Specialist
- May 25, 2023
- 318
One thing I can say for sure is that heaven/hell don't exist, so don't worry about it too much. It is just a story invented by humans to cope with death. Besides, there are thousands of religions on earth, so how can we possibly be sure that the Christian concepts are the only real deal? A lot of people point to NDE's, but this is just your brain hallucinating and reflects the religion that you were raised in.
When brain death occurs it is the same exact thing like before you were born. It is impossible to imagine, because there is no concept of imagining. People have seen this when they were practising partial. One time you are there and then you are just gone. There is no feeling of missing out, no feeling of the self, no concept of time, no memories, no regrets, no feelings. It is just over.
A lot of people say that this is what makes life so special and amazing. I agree with them. Make this count and experience as much beauty as you possibly can. Try doing everything to recover. You only get one shot of experiencing this thing called life for maybe 80-100 years and then you will return back to the void like millions of people before you. It is a shame that people don't see this. If everyone around the world went through a near death experience we would be living in a different place with a lot more compassion, empathy and love.
If you have really tried everything and the suffering is too great, then CTBing is a viable option, but like Robin Williams said, it is the final act that cannot be undone, so really make sure that it is what you want. If there is even a tiny sliver of hope try holding on to it and see where it takes you. You don't want to turn your back on it and then be full of regret/anxiety when you CTB.
When brain death occurs it is the same exact thing like before you were born. It is impossible to imagine, because there is no concept of imagining. People have seen this when they were practising partial. One time you are there and then you are just gone. There is no feeling of missing out, no feeling of the self, no concept of time, no memories, no regrets, no feelings. It is just over.
A lot of people say that this is what makes life so special and amazing. I agree with them. Make this count and experience as much beauty as you possibly can. Try doing everything to recover. You only get one shot of experiencing this thing called life for maybe 80-100 years and then you will return back to the void like millions of people before you. It is a shame that people don't see this. If everyone around the world went through a near death experience we would be living in a different place with a lot more compassion, empathy and love.
If you have really tried everything and the suffering is too great, then CTBing is a viable option, but like Robin Williams said, it is the final act that cannot be undone, so really make sure that it is what you want. If there is even a tiny sliver of hope try holding on to it and see where it takes you. You don't want to turn your back on it and then be full of regret/anxiety when you CTB.
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AnonymousL
Specialist
- Apr 5, 2023
- 376
Have you ever went through surgery?
I have, and I feel like death will be like that.
They ask you to count down from 10 and around 7 you fall asleep but ofcourse you don't realize it.
Then you randomly wake up a few hours later in a different bed , in a different room.
That's what I think death will feel like.
You won't realize it and you won't wake up so it will just be black and nothingness. It will be peace.
Doemu
⸸ I am my own end ⸸
- Feb 4, 2024
- 214
What stops me is similar. I just fear to exist after dead. No matter if what exist is hell or whatever else because existance is hell to me.
And yes, i deserve the hell.
That made me to learn about esoterism the last years, trying to provide my self a way to end my self.
And yes, i deserve the hell.
That made me to learn about esoterism the last years, trying to provide my self a way to end my self.
I was raised in that mind set as well so I understand. But the more I think about it and the more I try to rationalize it, I couldn't come up with any reason as to why anyone be punished for choosing to stop fighting to end the suffering of the life they never agreed to nor chose to in the first place. The more nde experiences I listen to what they say makes a lot more sense. One could argue it's just the brain releasing chemicals and there is nothing more than non existence and ethernal sleeping. Am fine either way so long as I escape from this reality.
I can only speak from my own belief, but I am absolutely certain that I will continue to live after death. I don't have to rationalize it for people here to defend it, but I kinda just know. All NDEs point to the same conclusion. For me, I believe in Jesus Christ and that He took my sins on the Cross. I feel therefor certain about a happy after-life, where these sufferings have finally ended.
It's something each must find out for themselves, I guess, but you might as well put your trust in Jesus if you have decided to going to go through with it anyway. Nothing to lose with that. I mean, if you have already given up on your life, you might as well give it to God. That's what I believe at least. Wish you blessings and love.
It's something each must find out for themselves, I guess, but you might as well put your trust in Jesus if you have decided to going to go through with it anyway. Nothing to lose with that. I mean, if you have already given up on your life, you might as well give it to God. That's what I believe at least. Wish you blessings and love.
mortuarymary
Enlightened
- Jan 17, 2024
- 1,363
leavingthesoultrap
(ᴗ_ ᴗ。)
- Nov 25, 2023
- 1,212
The old testament doesn't mention hell or heaven once. The place the dead go to is called Sheol. And it's neutral.
The old testament is the foundation of the abrahamic faith.
Something to think about.
The old testament is the foundation of the abrahamic faith.
Something to think about.
True that, they believed that it was two different parts of it though.. one for the good people and one for the bad. There are two stories where God takes certain faithful people of His up to Him without them dying tho (Enoch and Elijah).
The way to Heaven was first made so by the atonement of Jesus Christ in the New Testament.
pthnrdnojvsc
Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
- Aug 12, 2019
- 2,746
There is no hell no afterlife no reincarnation only non-existence forever after Death.
There is Not one iota of reproducible evidence for any afterlife , soul , god , reincarnation, magic , nothing . Not even a single piece of evidence. All we have is that some humans say this is true. Why are the billions of souls and god hiding and where are they?
In contrast mountains of evidence for evolution and common ancestry of all animals and living things exist.
All animals including humans descended
From a single cell . The cells of all animals have hundreds of identical machines and chemical processes. This proves one common ancestor. Just one process is the almost universal genetic code that almost all living things have including humans and bacteria.
prelights.biologists.com
Imo in the Bible there are few translated cryptic quotes no details and others simply fabricated all this false idea of a heaven and hell that is not even explicitly detailed in the Bible
All these religious texts for all religions can be shown to be false, Many reasons including no details.
In stark contrast a book on neuroscience or molecular biology of the cell has thousands of details in which all the parts make sense and fit together in hierarchical machines. and they fit with other science and tech . You can even test some things from Brain science or the cell and evolution. For example one can use a microscope and look at a cell from a human and another animal and see they are identical proving common ancestry.
A human is that first cell that first worm . A cell is a machine. How can the children be different from the parent?
There is Not one iota of reproducible evidence for any afterlife , soul , god , reincarnation, magic , nothing . Not even a single piece of evidence. All we have is that some humans say this is true. Why are the billions of souls and god hiding and where are they?
In contrast mountains of evidence for evolution and common ancestry of all animals and living things exist.
All animals including humans descended
From a single cell . The cells of all animals have hundreds of identical machines and chemical processes. This proves one common ancestor. Just one process is the almost universal genetic code that almost all living things have including humans and bacteria.
The Single-Celled Ancestors of Animals: A History of Hypotheses - preLights
Tracing the history of animal origins
Imo in the Bible there are few translated cryptic quotes no details and others simply fabricated all this false idea of a heaven and hell that is not even explicitly detailed in the Bible
All these religious texts for all religions can be shown to be false, Many reasons including no details.
In stark contrast a book on neuroscience or molecular biology of the cell has thousands of details in which all the parts make sense and fit together in hierarchical machines. and they fit with other science and tech . You can even test some things from Brain science or the cell and evolution. For example one can use a microscope and look at a cell from a human and another animal and see they are identical proving common ancestry.
A human is that first cell that first worm . A cell is a machine. How can the children be different from the parent?
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There is no hell no afterlife no reincarnation only non-existence forever after Death.
Not one iota of reproducible evidence for any afterlife , soul , god , reincarnation, magic , nothing . Not even a single piece of evidence. All we have is that some humans say this is true. Why are the billions of souls and god hiding and where are they?
In contrast mountains of evidence for evolution and common ancestry of all animals and living things exist.
All animals including humans descended
From a single cell . The cells of all animals have hundreds of identical machines and chemical processes. This prove one common ancestor. Just one is the almost universal genetic code that almost all living things have including humans and bacteria.
The Single-Celled Ancestors of Animals: A History of Hypotheses - preLights
Tracing the history of animal origins
Imo in the Bible there are few translated cryptic quotes no details and they fabricated all this false idea of a heaven and hell.
All these religious texts for all religions can be shown to be false, Many reasons including no details.
In stark contrast a book on neuroscience or molecular biology of the cell has thousands of details in which all the parts make sense and fit with other science and tech . You can even test some things from Brain science or the cell and evolution. For example one can use a microscope and look at a cell from a human and another animal and see they are identical proving common ancestry.
A human is that first cell that first worm . A cell is a machine. How can the children be different from the parent?
We are each entitled to our opinion on this. I won't be getting into much details, but for me I find the evidences to be overwhelming for an afterlife. I don't really need evidences for it either. For me the idea of non-existence is seemingly completely unrealistic, but it wouldn't really matter. If it is so, then there is no 'me' to feel sorry for it either. In any case, I look forward to something better and that's a hope no one can take from me. :)
Still, to answer OP - I know that it is difficult, since it really is a venture into the unknown. We don't know what's on the other side. We just have to have faith. That's why I consider the act of going there by choice when there is really, really good reasons for it, to be an act of bravery. It just takes alot of courage really.
FuneralCry
Just wanting some peace
- Sep 24, 2020
- 38,914
The only hell is this evil world, I just personally believe death to be an eternal, dreamless sleep, the thought of ceasing to exist comforts me, in fact it's the only comfort. But anyway I hope that you find peace eventually.
DesperateOne
Specialist
- May 25, 2023
- 318
This is the hardest pill to swallow. There's just nothingess, well... not even nothingness, just pure void. I went to an open heart surgery and got put under heavy anesthetics. There was just this gap when I was put under and when I woke up. What happened in this gap was just nothing.There is no hell no afterlife no reincarnation only non-existence forever after Death.
There is Not one iota of reproducible evidence for any afterlife , soul , god , reincarnation, magic , nothing . Not even a single piece of evidence. All we have is that some humans say this is true. Why are the billions of souls and god hiding and where are they?
In contrast mountains of evidence for evolution and common ancestry of all animals and living things exist.
All animals including humans descended
From a single cell . The cells of all animals have hundreds of identical machines and chemical processes. This proves one common ancestor. Just one process is the almost universal genetic code that almost all living things have including humans and bacteria.
The Single-Celled Ancestors of Animals: A History of Hypotheses - preLights
Tracing the history of animal origins
Imo in the Bible there are few translated cryptic quotes no details and others simply fabricated all this false idea of a heaven and hell that is not even explicitly detailed in the Bible
All these religious texts for all religions can be shown to be false, Many reasons including no details.
In stark contrast a book on neuroscience or molecular biology of the cell has thousands of details in which all the parts make sense and fit together in hierarchical machines. and they fit with other science and tech . You can even test some things from Brain science or the cell and evolution. For example one can use a microscope and look at a cell from a human and another animal and see they are identical proving common ancestry.
A human is that first cell that first worm . A cell is a machine. How can the children be different from the parent?
pthnrdnojvsc
Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
- Aug 12, 2019
- 2,746
After death will be exactly like before I was born nothing. Yes non-existence is no void no nothingness no sleep . It's hard to imagine nothing cause the human brain is so weak.
Non-existence is Absolute nothing
It's hard for a primate brain to imagine not existing at all and forever too
Imo non-existence is the ultimate bliss
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DesperateOne
Specialist
- May 25, 2023
- 318
The only thing that I don't know is if reincarnation exists. Take a look at the expanding and retracting universe theory. It is a bit schizo, but its still interesting and it could scientifically make sense.
It basically states that you are reborn again and again, forever, as the universe contracts/expands or breathes, just in a tiny bit of a different configuration. This makes me kinda happy since I can be reborn, but it will be a tiny bit different and that difference could end up being quite big. Maybe I'll have a life where I didn't completely mess it up.
Also, another thing that brings me comfort is that there are things that are higher than us. Maybe not God, but different concepts or higher dimensional beings in 4D, 5D etc... Our senses are very limited, who knows what else is out there beyond our brains.
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pthnrdnojvsc
Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
- Aug 12, 2019
- 2,746
Reincarnation, afterlife , multiverses , other dimensions, simulation, religion, god and all Those are just theories with no reproducible experimental evidence .
I can imagine one minute of pain that is so unbearable that no one would want to suffer even one minute of it for anything
What about days of that constant unbearable pain, weeks , months?
I don't know I guess people haven't suffered enough of the most excruciatingly unbearable pain to not be in constant absolute fear of any kind of existence. I'm glad that I believe it's non-existent forever after death . All I have to do is avoid extreme pain while Im still alive in this hell and get out of this hell soon and once I'm dead I know I'll never suffer again cause I'll never exist again....
Imo it's simple while existing yes a being can suffer extreme pain or extreme suffering etc . Only non-existence forever guarantees no suffering. Boggles my mind why would anyone want to exist at all much less under constant threat of extreme pain. Or why they would believe those theories with no evidence
I didn't exist for 14 billion years and so never suffered then . The problems and suffering began for me only when I was born.
I can imagine one minute of pain that is so unbearable that no one would want to suffer even one minute of it for anything
What about days of that constant unbearable pain, weeks , months?
I don't know I guess people haven't suffered enough of the most excruciatingly unbearable pain to not be in constant absolute fear of any kind of existence. I'm glad that I believe it's non-existent forever after death . All I have to do is avoid extreme pain while Im still alive in this hell and get out of this hell soon and once I'm dead I know I'll never suffer again cause I'll never exist again....
Imo it's simple while existing yes a being can suffer extreme pain or extreme suffering etc . Only non-existence forever guarantees no suffering. Boggles my mind why would anyone want to exist at all much less under constant threat of extreme pain. Or why they would believe those theories with no evidence
I didn't exist for 14 billion years and so never suffered then . The problems and suffering began for me only when I was born.
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I listen to Power by Kanye West and my SI just goes away. It's a song about letting go and CTBing so maybe it would help.
return.
Member
- Feb 4, 2024
- 48
I feel a similar way. I'm afraid of death and pain and I feel like it stops me from doing so much. I'm also afraid of hell and the possibility that it may exist. It's funny I'm scared of it, because if humans never came up with the concept of hell and heaven, I'd most likely have nothing to fear. In my opinion, chances are that hell and heaven were created so that humans can cope with the possibility that there is nothing after death.
Darkover
Angelic
- Jul 29, 2021
- 4,738
we are just machines made up of atoms when your brain stops functioning entirely so do we, but because this universe brought us alive once is proof enough it maybe could happen again within time
divinemistress36
Illuminated
- Jan 1, 2024
- 3,272
Nobody knows for sure what happens after death but I had a friend who had a NDE his heart stopped. He said it was peaceful and he saw what he thought were his deceased relatives and they told him he had to go back and help people. It could have just been his brain hallucinating but either way it sounded amazing
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