I hate how people think suicide is irrational

[EndJstifiesTheMeans]

Samurai commit seppuku for follow a lord in death, for bravery and honor reasons, and showing loyality above life itself, a form of protest over an injustice, or even some romantic cases..

I can't forgive this world/society for not support me and let me show, how much i loved that girl.. i know someone can consider love a stupid reason for commit suicide but i see it as a form to show true love

The idea that she gonna change her house and cant prove to her my true love anymore is destroying me

Also every single day i live makes me really suffer, beacuse its like i "forget her".. no, that will never happen, really no reason for forcing me to live.. i can't find another girl because i truly loved only this one and i want to show her my love and royality

 

[edu0z]

samurai did not commit suicide for "love" or "a girl"... seppuku was not to follow their daimyo to death either (in fact in many cases it was the daimyo himself who ordered the samurai to do so to recover his honor). .. seppuku was an HONORABLE death, there are many documented cases and it's not like in the movies, your master could forbid you to do seppuku and then you go to hell. The samurai, if we are guided properly by what they should be, were people without their own desires, mere tools. It didn't matter who you loved or what you wanted... And, besides... how old are you?

 

[AllFoxedOut]

samurai did not commit suicide for "love" or "a girl"... seppuku was not to follow their daimyo to death either (in fact in many cases it was the daimyo himself who ordered the samurai to do so to recover his honor). .. seppuku was an HONORABLE death, there are many documented cases and it's not like in the movies, your master could forbid you to do seppuku and then you go to hell. The samurai, if we are guided properly by what they should be, were people without their own desires, mere tools. It didn't matter who you loved or what you wanted... And, besides... how old are you?

what does OP's age have to do with anything?

 

[edu0z]

what does OP's age have to do with anything?

maybe I'm wrong... but he doesn't look like a child to you...

 

[AllFoxedOut]

maybe I'm wrong... but he doesn't look like a child to you...

I wouldn't think that, no. I've given 20 year olds the impression I'm younger than them with how I type sometimes but I'm nearly in my 30s! I just assume everyone here is at least 18 unless they say something to indicate otherwise, and then I report them

sorry to derail your thread though, Ends. but I agree it infuriates me that my desire to CTB is by default irrational. then that gives them full control over my life, my medications, etc. it's revolting.

 

[edu0z]

Samurai commit seppuku for follow a lord in death, for bravery and honor reasons, and showing loyality above life itself, a form of protest over an injustice, or even some romantic cases..

I can't forgive this world/society for not support me and let me show, how much i loved that girl.. i know someone can consider love a stupid reason for commit suicide but i see it as a form to show true love

The idea that she gonna change her house and cant prove to her my true love anymore is destroying me

Also every single day i live makes me really suffer, beacuse its like i "forget her".. no, that will never happen, really no reason for forcing me to live.. i can't find another girl because i truly loved only this one and i want to show her my love and royality

I'm sorry for reacting that way to your post, it's a topic that puts me on the defensive I guess. People who have not experienced what you have experienced cannot judge your emotions, only you are in your head and only you know what you truly feel or the conclusions you reach and if they are the result of irrational mechanics or formed thoughts over time.

 

[EndJstifiesTheMeans]

samurai did not commit suicide for "love" or "a girl"... seppuku was not to follow their daimyo to death either (in fact in many cases it was the daimyo himself who ordered the samurai to do so to recover his honor). .. seppuku was an HONORABLE death, there are many documented cases and it's not like in the movies, your master could forbid you to do seppuku and then you go to hell. The samurai, if we are guided properly by what they should be, were people without their own desires, mere tools. It didn't matter who you loved or what you wanted... And, besides... how old are you?

Im 23

Man Commits Seppuku For Idol

A Japanese idol-lover distraught over the retirement of Taiwanese idol Dora (Zhou Yingxin) has attempted a seppuku suicide in front of her during her last performance, a rather grim ordeal that unveils the sad truth about (some) idol otaku. The accomplished woman had announced her retirement some

www.sankakucomplex.com

This guy tried to do it for an idol and he was 48, it's hard to find seppuku cases, but it was used to do it over someone death, so i immagine over a wife death too for exemple

In my case i see it as a good reason, im not able to say "i love you" to another girl, thinking h24 about that girl even in dreams..
And the fact that she maybe will not have any proof of my love destroy me

 

[nozomu]

Suicide is only rational when you've lived the full life you want to achieve and can die with your head held high and without regrets.

Just because it is a reasonable response to unreasonable circumstances doesn't always make it rational. But we are humans and do not need to always be rational.

That being said, if the rest of your life is stable and safe, love will come again. I am however sorry for the pain of your loss.

I'm losing everything but love right now, and having to test if love is enough to push me through all of this is something I would not wish upon anyone.

 

[Praestat_Mori]

Suicide is only rational when you've lived the full life you want to achieve and can die with your head held high and without regrets.

Very well said!!

 

[Ashu]

I know, eh? All the most meaningful things in life are irrational. People are idiots.

 

[lethargic]

Samurai commit seppuku for follow a lord in death, for bravery and honor reasons, and showing loyality above life itself, a form of protest over an injustice, or even some romantic cases..

I can't forgive this world/society for not support me and let me show, how much i loved that girl.. i know someone can consider love a stupid reason for commit suicide but i see it as a form to show true love

The idea that she gonna change her house and cant prove to her my true love anymore is destroying me

Also every single day i live makes me really suffer, beacuse its like i "forget her".. no, that will never happen, really no reason for forcing me to live.. i can't find another girl because i truly loved only this one and i want to show her my love and royality

If you want me to challenge you on this -- your premise is emotional (I'm in love and it's not being reciprocated, therefore I need to die). And you're rationalizing your premise, which is emotional. That makes this an irrational, emotional decision.

 

[AllFoxedOut]

If you want me to challenge you on this -- your premise is emotional (I'm in love and it's not being reciprocated, therefore I need to die). And you're rationalizing your premise, which is emotional. That makes this an irrational, emotional decision.

is suicide ever a rational decision then? because in most cases people's desire to CTB comes from emotional or physical pain too burdensome to bear.

 

[lethargic]

is suicide ever a rational decision then? because in most cases people's desire to CTB comes from emotional or physical pain too burdensome to bear.

I think it probably is in some cases, particularly when you're actually in physical permanent pain and you are eligible for assisted suicide, but honestly I think it's emotional in most cases. That being said, I think that's ok. 95% of all our day-to-day decisions are emotional. Humans are very emotional beings. One of the primary drivers of the economy is emotional spending, etc. I'm here too because the underlying reason is frankly emotional, but I can't change myself, I'm just emotional by nature, and I just look at it for what it is - I don't think there's any obligation to make it rational to go ahead with it.

 

[AllFoxedOut]

I think it probably is in some cases, particularly when you're actually in physical permanent pain and you are eligible for assisted suicide, but honestly I think it's emotional in most cases. That being said, I think that's ok. 95% of all our day-to-day decisions are emotional. Humans are very emotional beings. One of the primary drivers of the economy is emotional spending, etc. I'm here too because the underlying reason is frankly emotional, but I can't change myself, I'm just emotional by nature, and I just look at it for what it is - I don't think there's any obligation to make it rational to go ahead with it.

fair enough! I agree my decision to CTB is fundamentally one of emotion. if i didn't have the emotional trouble, I'd have no desire to CTB. I just view ceasing that intolerable suffering as rational.

 

[lethargic]

fair enough! I agree my decision to CTB is fundamentally one of emotion. if i didn't have the emotional trouble, I'd have no desire to CTB. I just view ceasing that intolerable suffering as rational.

Yeah exactly. When I generalize it, the primary reason for me is because I feel negative emotions over a lot of things. And, unwillingly, I put a lot of emphasis, meaning and care into those emotions - which actually seems to be the opposite of what you would consider 'rational' or 'logical'. So I become obsessed over them. That's just all it is, I can't talk or logic myself out of feeling something, I've tried, and so instead, I end up rationalizing this emotional premise that because I can't get over these negative emotions, it is rational to ctb, so I am forced to put a stop to it. Hopefully that makes sense.

There's a lot of flaws in this personal reasoning of mine. I haven't tried every possible solution to my problem, for instance. Suicide will cause a lot of harm to people around me. I haven't created a sound argument that logically follows that suicide is my best option or anything. I'm just over it and frankly, none of us need to justify it.

 

[Majestatea Masiva]

Meanwhile, they investing in crypto and arguing over stupid bs nobody cares about on social media. We are the real rational people that exist in a world dominated by emotional, not smart people.

 

[FuneralCry]

I think the true irrational thing is believing such a thing about suicide, it's nonsensical to label suicide as being "irrational" when nobody can suffer from not-existing. To die removes the ultimate cause of all suffering in the first place which is existence itself, so it could never be irrational, there's nothing irrational about one being aware of how existence isn't worth enduring for them.

I see suicide as being something perfectly logical as it's just someone choosing to leave on their own terms, taking control over the inevitable, preventing future unnecessary suffering, in my case wanting to die is just a logical response to being aware.

I have awareness of how existing will always be so futile and harmful for me, I could never wish to endure this empty existence for potentially decades on end just to be tortured by old age and cease existing anyway.

 

[nozomu]

is suicide ever a rational decision then? because in most cases people's desire to CTB comes from emotional or physical pain too burdensome to bear.

You can just be done with life. It's okay to feel like you've done all there is for you to do, and that you don't really desire to do it any longer. I'm figuring if I make it out of the rough patch of life I'm in now, that this is how I will die, when I am older. I have no interest in seeing myself to an age where I have dementia or more serious health issues than I have now, but I'd love to at least life my life to the fullest, if I can be so lucky to have the opportunity.

 

[MiraiShisen]

for me true unconditional love exist only in form from mother to her children because of nature and evolution. We could not afford to be loved or love someone without any conditions just love them as they are.... its only about increasing survival chances... (it is still in us because evolution works slowly) so yes when someone is in love with you, its not only because its you, its because there is something additonal with it. (protection,resources,shelter,beauty etc) You have to look at love from pragmatical side too only exception is the mother to her children thats it. Still there is so many other girls in this world you can meet.... Another fact is that fall in love and true love are different... you can have pink glasses when you fall in love but that is just chemicals in your brain... true love comes later... after you know each other very well you understand emotion of your partner, know his/her seecrets or concerns.It is dedication and hard work, people nowadays just fall in love call it true love and when they face first problem relationship fail... How world operate is just shallow and almost behind everything you can find basic needs, this world is just about survival of the fittest and we are hard wired according of this reality so yeah.... thanks our "free will" Did not inted to diminsh your reason or anything like that, I think your reason is real because it is real emotion but If I were in your shoes I would give life another chance, I was in love and it was bad for me because I could not control my own emotions, it was held captive by other person but time will eventually fix everything. But if you are decided then its your decision and I respect it.

 

[KowakuNaiNeko]

I think people believing suicide is irrational is fine. We can debate that.
The part that grinds my gears is when they claim that depressives have a mental illness and as such aren't able to consent to suicide/assisted suicide. That's a self fulfilling prophecy.