Venting I find it offensive how this website treats wanting to die as a mental illness

[fleetingnight]

Like a lot of your posts, I sympathize and respect your opinion until you start shaming others to validate yourself. Also, I don't think shaming anyone who even thinks about staying alive is good for our reputation.

Suicide isn't so black and white as people think, but that goes both ways. I agree sometimes it's a rational decision made by a healthy person. But sometimes someone can be influenced by mental illness to do something they don't really want to. It happens all the time. It's too complicated to paint everyone's experience with the same brush.

I hope you keep expressing your opinions here, even the ones I really disagree with, but I hope you stop dragging down anyone with a different POV, too

 

[LaVieEnRose]

not something that offends those with awareness.

Hey, no need to get offended for other people...

 

[ham and potatoes]

Sorry but suicide is a valid personal choice not an illness to "recover" from or "heal" from, having a section called recovery is so insulting, the term "recovery" is only valid in being used like if someone has a broken bone or is bedridden because of some physical virus,

While I agree with your statement it is a personal choice, do you not think most of us didn't find out way here because of something that the term heal/recover would be appropriate for?
Most of us here have suffered allot to drive us to consider suicide, weather it being mental illness, physical illness, trauma, abuse, PTSD, ect.
So I believe "recovery" if a perfectly fine way of wording trying to oveecome those things if they choose to try to overcome them, rather than end it

 

[BlazingBob]

FC rules!

 

[davidtorez]

FC rules!

I actually agree with alot of her points

 

[Chinaski]

Don't be krass
You could easily skip the post
But you decide to engage with someone you feel wants attention
You answer my question with a question
If you're gonna be a ass be one
But don't get smart with me when you're dead wrong...no pun intended..
I just think it's sad the one corner of the world where we all suffer you decide you wanna be a bully
Just leave her be
We're supposed to support each other
But while I'm here if you want a problem
I can be that

I think if someone posts a deliberately inflammatory thread on a very regular basis the focus should be on the person who does this, rather than on the people who took the bait.

 

[Mi Mi]

I think if someone posts a deliberately inflammatory thread on a very regular basis the focus should be on the person who does this, rather than on the people who took the bait.

Good thing I don't care what you think

 

[viljalauss]

I'm still trying to work out why so many people are so quick to distance themselves as far as possible from the concept of mental illness.

it's a good question. i think doubleup8 answers it well. recognising mental illness in itself can absolutely form an acknowledgment of the suffering/experiences that led to it, e.g. with trauma-related disorders. same with suicidality (both passive and active), as it shows that something deeply wrong has interfered with the will to live/self-preserve. the problem arises when physical, economic, systemic (etc.) issues are written off
people may want to distance themselves from the concept of mental illness if they see it - or have themselves experienced its usage - as a delegitimising label
i think there's an especially prevalent idea (among the general population) that suicidality is just an outcome or extreme form of depression.
also i think there is an intolerance towards considering genuinely unsolvable problems that can lead to someone planning suicide - we may look at platitudes like 'it gets better' for that, when people don't know how to help (and also seem to take upon themselves the belief, and responsibility to pass it on, that the suicidal person's problems are, in fact, 'solvable'). and even that unsolvable problems can be a reason for suicide/planning without mental illness (e.g., historically, to escape slavery)

was gonna say more but i forgot. will add if i remember

 

[ijustwishtodie]

I actually agree with alot of her points

Same here. She's actually right on a lot of things

 

[Tired_birth_1967]

Mais uma vez, eu entendo. Eu sei como você se sente. Mas tente não associar o site às imperfeições da humanidade. Você parece estar nessa luta há muitos anos e por isso sei que não é fácil. Receba meu carinho e compreensão. Alcançaremos nosso objetivo. Nós só queremos paz. ela virá. ela virá.

 

[viljalauss]

the only recovery section in the Internet that is actually caring, useful and where the mods have been doing amazing work creating megathreads for helping with sleep, a lot of info on resources, doing a better job than a ton of psychologists and psychiatrists ever could

this! i haven't used the recovery section much but it does seem very caring and gentle - it doesn't require the commitment of fully letting go / stopping suicidal thoughts, which is unrealistic in many cases, or any commitment at all, but rather signals itself as a wealth of resources and support even if you'd just 'like to feel a bit better'. it can be useful even if you're just looking to make your time around bearable, which i suspect may encourage the continuation of self-compassion which can be behind recognising that you want to feel a bit better in the first place. and yea people here just get it

 

[hachiware]

I only skimmed through what you wrote, but I think I do agree with what you said here. It's just that this is how the world sees this and there's nothing we can do about this. Quite a few people mentioned that mental illnesses can make one want to kill himself and that there's a correlation, but does it automatically mean that everyone who wants to kill himself is mentally ill? I don't think so.
That being said, I don't think it's offensive to have a recovery section. It doesn't bother me at all, SS is already a pro-choice forum, there are more prolifers out there.

 

[enough of this]

In this world, to me, it's more a sign of mental health than mental illness.

 

[UKscotty]

People getting offended doesn't make it less true. That's one of the main problems in the world today.

Someone can believe that suicide is normal and that's their right. However, the reality is that it's not normal and it is a mental illness.

The normal state is to want to live and be happy.

 

[Worndown]

Sorry but suicide is a valid personal choice not an illness to "recover" from or "heal" from, having a section called recovery is so insulting, the term "recovery" is only valid in being used like if someone has a broken bone or is bedridden because of some physical virus, not what is literally a human right and a decision which is very rational.

What does "recovery" even mean, from what I gather according to this website one is "healed" if they want to be enslaved in a repulsive flesh prison that can potentially torture them to unlimited amounts all while they are destined for nothing but to die in agony from old age in this reality where chance so senselessly determines everything. I literally find it so repulsive when in discussions about suicide, people use the word "help" and act like suicidal people are in need of such, no sorry but wanting death is having awareness, in my case it's being aware of how truly undesirable existence is.

There's no illness in wanting death, existence is the problem no matter what, it's insane to me how they act like people need "help" if they want to escape from decades of meaningless suffering in an existence where one is just waiting to die anyway.

There is literally no limit as to how much one can suffer in this existence yet people act like suicidal thoughts are the problem and are something irrational that needs "healing", it's insane honestly. A lot of the time I'm not even sure if these pro-lifers really lack that much awareness or just want to insult others on purpose but anyway I cannot stand anything related to "recovery", like if people want to continue existing then that's up to them but just call it wanting to exist, not something that offends those with awareness.

FC,
Nobody is "normal." Everyone has demons.
People come here because of serious issues they are unable to control or overcome. Mental illness is one reason, there are many more.
If you are unhappy with what we have to offer in support, advice or solace, the internet does provide other options that may better suit your specific needs.
Venting is therapeutic but endless rants are not. Tearing things down will not build you up.
I hope you can find peace one day.
Until then, consider communicating with those here. Find those who share your issues and see how they cope. If you are rushing to your demise, investigate your options so it goes well for you.
You are not alone. You have no reason to stand apart from us and scream.

 

[bunnydetriment]

I think it depends on your perception of what mental illness is. Because innately I think it is mental illness when the contrary is... not feeling that way. Maybe it sounds worse because of the stigma "mental illness" could have with what it's related to, if that makes any sense

 

[Myforevercharlie]

the creators had then to cover themselves by having a recovery section so nobody can say that the website doesn't encourage recovery.

The recovery section has been a part of the forum long before the massive media attention.

 

[totheendofinfinity]

oh yeah isn't there an option in the settings to hide the recovery section lol

 

[Saturn_]

I really hate this borderline celebration of death and anti-recovery that is pushed by a lot of users, and I firmly believe it goes against this "pro-choice" mentality. It's good to recover. It's a good thing to continue to stay on Earth, if you want to do that. Death is a way out of suffering but it does not have to be the ONLY way. Recovery is a beautiful thing which should be celebrated. And sure it's idealistic, but I hope each and every single person on this board, even you, can recover someday. I hope one day you will no longer feel a need to harm and incapacitate yourself in order to stop the pain. Peace may come to someone through death, but if they were to find peace in any way, I'd hope for it to be through life. And that's only human nature. Why is it bad to wish for others a happy life?

We are all suffering from an illness and that's not something which taints us. It's illness -- through result of thorough failure by the system -- which drives us to try and destroy our bodies and minds, instead of continue to be. And whether you decide to treat that illness through death or through life, that should always be up to the individual. Who are you to suggest that we shouldn't have an outlet for recovery, that we should all succumb to our suicidal urges and die?

You apparently don't want other people to suffer, but here you are prioritizing what personally disgusts you over the happiness of others. As you say, "it's only good for you to vent". You can even hide the Recovery board, but I guess it's better to find things to complain about. It's always you who stirs the pot on this forum and causes harm to other people who are suffering.

 

[ForgottenAgain]

I'm starting to think FC is a troll who gets off on tilting people. This is probably her only past time.

 

[Pluto]

 

[JKFleck]

I'm starting to think FC is a troll who gets off on tilting people. This is probably her only past time.

She's probably 90% of reasons why outsiders hate this site lmfao

 

[LaVieEnRose]

People getting offended doesn't make it less true. That's one of the main problems in the world today.

Someone can believe that suicide is normal and that's their right. However, the reality is that it's not normal and it is a mental illness.

The normal state is to want to live and be happy.

Well, suicide itself isn't a mental illness. It's usually a function of it (i.e. symptomatic) or accompanied by it (those two things mean something different). It's not always though and even the researchers most inclined to view it as such conceded that. And even in some cases where "mental illness* seems to be the most factor, that may not be the AP test way of viewing a particular person's case. So there's more nuance.

 

[DefinitelyReady]

Things you hate

People who procreate
Recovery or daring to attempt it
Humans
Animals
I suspect Aliens
Probably the atmosphere, food and water, as that sustains life
Suicide, unless it meets your criteria
People who have compassion and try to help others
Anyone who posts on any forum without including the phrase 'flesh prison' in their post
Anyone who uses different words to you
And on
And on
And on
….

Things you like

Attention

She hates animals...??? She say why? That makes no sense to me. Would've thought the opposite. That's unsettling if true

She's probably 90% of reasons why outsiders hate this site lmfao

If she were dealt with by Mods instead of accommodated to death (pun unintended) then they probably would not receive so much flack for this website considering she's the poster child for it.
I think it's a good theory worth noting.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

She hates animals...??? She say why? That makes no sense to me. Would've thought the opposite. That's unsettling if true

I've never actually seen her say she hates animals but given her philosophy she'd be a hypocrite if she didn't hate animals because animals procreate and love existing, two of her least favorite things. Animals procreating is what gives humans their urge to procreate after all.

Then again it's not like she'll actually come and explain herself either way in this thread.

 

[amb.boardman]

Sometimes suicidal thoughts can be irrational. That is a symptom of say, Eating disorder recovery, chemotherapy, ect.

 

[DefinitelyReady]

I've never actually seen her say she hates animals but given her philosophy she'd be a hypocrite if she didn't hate animals because animals procreate and love existing, two of her least favorite things. Animals procreating is what gives humans their urge to procreate after all.

Then again it's not like she'll actually come and explain herself either way in this thread.

I just thought someone specifically saw her say that. I would think she thinks they're innocent and is fine with them since they have no bodily autonomy; they're more a slave to their biology than we are and that's why we aren't like them. Or at least we're a step above. I don't think she'd be a hypocrite for liking them but if it was known that she didn't like them... I would find that scary and be afraid for any animals that are nearby to her.

 

[todiefor]

I actually agree with alot of her points

A lot of people on sasu have mental health issues, mental health issues is an actual thing that plagues a lot of people, many who are suicidal have mental health issues, those are all facts. Given that, it's pretty logical that some people on sasu may want to recover, that isn't a crime I don't see why they need to be made to feel bad about their point of view or desire to live despite their struggles. The recovery page is there for them. If you don't like it you can simply ignore it, you don't have to validate your own feelings through invalidating others feelings or needs. If you don't believe you have mental health issues, and you don't want to recover, then the page simply isnt directed at you. It isn't saying "FuneralCry, you have a mental health issue, look at this recovery page". Surely the site can be supportive of more than one type of suicidal person. Surely we all should be able to accept that other people may have different perspectives or needs to us in this world, suicidal or not.

I don't think the issue is whether we agree or disagree with funeralcry's points, it's more that her points currently, are directly disrespectful and dismissing of others with a different view point to her. I think that's more what everyone is having a problem with. I think we can try to recognise that regardless of whether we each personally agree with her or not. Anyone can express their personal views, but I think its a little mean spirited to dismiss others who feel differently to them that also use this forum as a form of support.

 

[dinosavr]

I just thought someone specifically saw her say that. I would think she thinks they're innocent and is fine with them since they have no bodily autonomy; they're more a slave to their biology than we are and that's why we aren't like them. Or at least we're a step above. I don't think she'd be a hypocrite for liking them but if it was known that she didn't like them... I would find that scary and be afraid for any animals that are nearby to her.

Exactly! Guys please don't judge anyone like that without knowing the truth. There's actually a huge difference between animals and humans. Animals never cause wars, conflicts, bullying, abuse, etc.
For what it's worth, FuneralCry just like most of us sees this difference and she absolutely doesn't hate animals! Feeling jealous of their accessibility to euthanasia is a whole other thing but still! She's not cruel, she's just super tired. Get over it already.

Here's an example if you needed quotes ;)

Pets can make our lives better as of course animals are better than humans. I have a cat and it is one of the only good things about being alive. However I believe that you should only consider getting a pet if you know you will be able to give it the proper care that it needs.

 

[imsotired35]

Idk. I'm too tired to read the whole thread atm but I think there has to be some level of depression to feel that way about life.

There are also plenty of people here who ARE mentally ill, and do have the option/choice for recovery and that section is there for them. Being pro choice also means being pro recovery.