I don’t understand why people want to ‘gatekeep’ suicide

[FuneralCry]

I never understand those who feel a need to gatekeep suicide, suggesting that it's only acceptable for those of a certain age and/or those who fit a certain criteria of suffering. To me suicide doesn't need a reason or needs to be justified. None of us asked for this life in the first place anyway so why should we be expected to exist against our wishes. The idea that suicide could be wrong under certain circumstances suggests that there is some purpose or value to being alive which there isn't. Life is just a pointless, unnecessary experience which is basically just endless problems and suffering. There really is no overall benefit to being alive. Humans suffer and struggle all for no purpose just to die eventually and be forgotten.

Suicide could never be wrong as there is nothing bad about being dead, dying takes away all problems and prevents future suffering. The idea that suicide is wrong is based on delusional beliefs about the reality of this existence. As long as someone stays alive, things could get much worse and they could end up in the worst pain imaginable.

I also don't really understand the view that suicide must be a 'last resort' and that you must try everything else first. Nobody has to. For someone to want to ctb they don't even have to suffer and even if there is a potential solution to someones problems they are not obligated to wait and see if their misery would be reduced. Some people simply have no interest in living. Having hope often just leads to more pain as in a life like this suffering is inescapable. Non existence will always be preferable to any life for me, no matter the life lived. I envy those who are gone and I wish that I left much sooner. I don't see dying as tragic, sad or negative. To permanently be free of all suffering is the best thing possible. Suicide is only sad for those left behind, not those that have died. After all, our only purpose as humans is to die.

 

[LowLevelChimp]

I wonder how much is guilt or connection to someone who was so unhappy they wanted to die, I see ending my life as the removal of a source of shame from my wife and family's life. Perhaps insurance companies want eternal suffering so they can sell us new drugs perpetually or so they don't have to pay out on long standing life cover.

I was amuse the other day to read a study that has proved serotonin has very little influence on depression and SSRI's although they have an effect it isn't to do to with serotonin re uptake, I bet pharmaceutical companies won't be recalling SSRI's because they work but we don't know why. The more you delve into this mental health crises the more you can see the $$$$ signs.

 

[Rational man]

Cessation of life.is guaranteed for everyone eventually. Humanity has a poor relationship with life and death. No-one was asked and here we are. Then toward old age, many people fear the process called death. Religion invented god and the sanctity of life, therefore punishment awaits the one who has escaped the suffering of life. Gatekeepers include representatives of god. We have one near me. He drives a sports open top car and if im not mistaken, a speed boat in the yard. Its good being in gods gang. The rest of us suffer.

 

[y'ffre]

It's very interesting that the same people just don't care about how is your life. Are you happy or sad, do you have friends or you are alone or even if you are hungry they just don't care? But interestingly, they start to care if you decide to commit suicide. I doubt their sincerity.
Also, I am scared the hell out of non-existence. Thinking of ending the chance of experiencing goodness or experiencing anything at all, just disappearing, losing myself and my consciousness. How can any of you accept it so easily? If I could be sure if there is an afterlife (not a bad one) or reincarnation I could die very easily and also if I had a gun :)
I just want to end my psychological pain and be happy. And suicide can be a solution to this pain.

 

[geogaddi]

Agreed, because humans are semi intelligent and top of the global food chain we use our fancy language and abstract thinking to romanticise our lives and make it out to be more than it is. We think of ourselves as highly evolved non-animal beings but we act in a way that treats death as a taboo and to be avoided at all costs, with very little nuance of empathy for those involved who are alive and suffering. I used to be a transhumanist and enjoy thinking about the possibilities of augmenting and upgrading consciousness to higher levels of bliss and intelligence, but now im a little older I see the risks involved in developing such technologies as too high as in the wrong hands could be literally hellish and create unfathomable levels of suffering for huge swathes of people. Humanity has proved itself to be a cruel species and wellbeing and the minimisation of suffering is low down on the chain of importance, not giving people the right to end their own lives is just another example of this. VHEMT all the way, sorry for ramblyness and if off point.

 

[Jrmull1993]

@FuneralCry Unfortunately I think it's because of mankind's obsession of "being in control". I feel that we've been in a constant devolution.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

Hi

I resonate heavily with what you're saying but,
I somewhat disagree. When it comes to most teenagers they are usually dealing with intense emotions, as most do whenever they are going through puberty. Many of them absolutely can do better and will get better. Many of them will also look back and regret ever even trying to take their lives & be grateful that they didn't. Just because you don't feel like there is a purpose and that life is pointless doesn't mean others feel the same.

There are a lot of people liking this thread.

So I'd like to ask... If a teenager is suicidal, would you tell them "It's okay to kill yourself"? Their brains aren't even done developing. They could very well just be going through a rough patch that will pass.

Things COULD get much worse and they could also get much better.

 

[Infernal]

I believe there are plenty of people whose lives are worth living, but people like you and I are not them. I used to think that it would be possible for me to be happy under the right conditions, but now I'm too far gone. It would take a miracle to make me want to live.

 

[MountainMonkey]

@FuneralCry Unfortunately I think it's because of mankind's obsession of "being in control". I feel that we've been in a constant devolution.

Words right out of my mouth.



I think humans should walk hand-in-hand, into extinction.

 

[Forever Sleep]

It's very interesting that the same people just don't care about how is your life. Are you happy or sad, do you have friends or you are alone or even if you are hungry they just don't care? But interestingly, they start to care if you decide to commit suicide. I doubt their sincerity.
Also, I am scared the hell out of non-existence. Thinking of ending the chance of experiencing goodness or experiencing anything at all, just disappearing, losing myself and my consciousness. How can any of you accept it so easily? If I could be sure if there is an afterlife (not a bad one) or reincarnation I could die very easily and also if I had a gun :)
I just want to end my psychological pain and be happy. And suicide can be a solution to this pain.

I'm actually more scared of ANY type of afterlife! Obviously, hell or reincarnation are unappealing but even heaven worries me. What on earth would you do with forever? (If it's eternal). The only comforting thing about this life is knowing that it will one day be over. Plus, while I'd love to reunite with deceased family members initially, I'm pretty sure there are quite a few things they'd be disappointed with me over.

I used to really hope for heaven and that I'd get there- and there is still a part of me that fears there is afterlife. Still, I'm actually so envious of people who believe there's nothing- then- there's nothing to worry about.

It's definitely a kind of alien concept to get your head round- I agree- to no longer feel anything at all but then- we kind of do that for short periods at least- when we go to sleep and that feels blissful to me. It's always horrendous waking up.

Still, I hope you do achieve what you hope for in an afterlife when the time comes. Was it Terry Pratchett who wrote that people get what they believe they deserve after death? Honestly, that kind of scares me too because I'm perfectly willing to believe the brain can conjure up a heaven/hell in its final moments... Just keep thinking you deserve heaven I guess. I wish you all the best.

 

[y'ffre]

I'm actually more scared of ANY type of afterlife! Obviously, hell or reincarnation are unappealing but even heaven worries me. What on earth would you do with forever? (If it's eternal). The only comforting thing about this life is knowing that it will one day be over. Plus, while I'd love to reunite with deceased family members initially, I'm pretty sure there are quite a few things they'd be disappointed with me over.

I used to really hope for heaven and that I'd get there- and there is still a part of me that fears there is afterlife. Still, I'm actually so envious of people who believe there's nothing- then- there's nothing to worry about.

It's definitely a kind of alien concept to get your head round- I agree- to no longer feel anything at all but then- we kind of do that for short periods at least- when we go to sleep and that feels blissful to me. It's always horrendous waking up.

Still, I hope you do achieve what you hope for in an afterlife when the time comes. Was it Terry Pratchett who wrote that people get what they believe they deserve after death? Honestly, that kind of scares me too because I'm perfectly willing to believe the brain can conjure up a heaven/hell in its final moments... Just keep thinking you deserve heaven I guess. I wish you all the best.

I understand you more. But I am still scared by the non-existence extremely :)
But I don't think that disappointing your family members would be a serious problem. Yes facing them could be painful at first but you would have lived a very short amount of time compared to eternity. If you won't go to Christian hell then you would have to pretty more chances to make them proud of you or make your mistakes right.

And yes brain can conjure things that you believe while dying but that belief is more than that. This is a kind of new age belief. I don't remember perfectly but they say you go to a different place after death and there is no matter (at least not like in this world) here. Your mind and your beliefs will shape your afterlife until maybe you go to a different place or be reincarnated.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

What about minors and people who don´t know what they are doing. In any case, each contribution to reduce overpopulation is welcome.

 

[Rapière]

Hi

I resonate heavily with what you're saying but,
I somewhat disagree. When it comes to most teenagers they are usually dealing with intense emotions, as most do whenever they are going through puberty. Many of them absolutely can do better and will get better. Many of them will also look back and regret ever even trying to take their lives & be grateful that they didn't. Just because you don't feel like there is a purpose and that life is pointless doesn't mean others feel the same.

There are a lot of people liking this thread.

So I'd like to ask... If a teenager is suicidal, would you tell them "It's okay to kill yourself"? Their brains aren't even done developing. They could very well just be going through a rough patch that will pass.

Things COULD get much worse and they could also get much better.

You seem to be new around here, so let me give you a quick rundown. OP and a large percentage of users on SS are, sometimes unbeknwonst to them, Pro-Mortalists. They essentialy see life as net-negative and believe the mere potential for extreme suffering, which is undeniably present in all sentient beings, to make instant, painless death the ideal outcome for every single human alive.

Although they make a few compellimg arguments, I find that their hyper-fixation on sufferimg has reached a comical degree, making it hard for me to tske them serious. They also go through great lenghrs to devalue all the good things life can bring when you're not an anhedoniac, because, like the fox from the fable calling grapes out of his reach sour, they don't have access to them.

 

[Surgeon]

I think life should be the first choice so already we disagree.
In saying that i am completely pro-choice and support everyone's right to there own destiny.
Age, economic factors, location all change with some effort and are the downfall of alot of people unfortunately.
Others are riddled with pain, health issues and mental health, there is a million problems that will never go away.

I find OP quite disturbing, though.
How many people have you assisted to kill themselves with 13,500 posts and this attitude?

 

[FuneralCry]

Hi

I resonate heavily with what you're saying but,
I somewhat disagree. When it comes to most teenagers they are usually dealing with intense emotions, as most do whenever they are going through puberty. Many of them absolutely can do better and will get better. Many of them will also look back and regret ever even trying to take their lives & be grateful that they didn't. Just because you don't feel like there is a purpose and that life is pointless doesn't mean others feel the same.

There are a lot of people liking this thread.

So I'd like to ask... If a teenager is suicidal, would you tell them "It's okay to kill yourself"? Their brains aren't even done developing. They could very well just be going through a rough patch that will pass.

Things COULD get much worse and they could also get much better.

I believe that no matter the person and their situation, suicide is a personal decision. None of us have any right to decide what others should do with their lives and we have no right to tell others to not ctb. Why should anyone have to live if they don't want to. Dying never needs to be justified with reasons, people exist for no reason so why should dying ever need a reason.

I believe that forcing people to live against their wishes is cruel, and everyone has no obligations to stay alive as they never asked to exist. As I said, I just cannot ever see suicide as being wrong as there is nothing negative about being dead. We were all perfectly fine not existing until we were forced to live, and I believe death to be nothingness like how before we were born, where time passed and yet we were not aware of anything. All the problems that people go through are unnecessary in the first place.

I find OP quite disturbing, though.
How many people have you assisted to kill themselves with 13,500 posts and this attitude?

Theres nothing disturbing about believing that permanent non existence is preferable to a lifetime of suffering. I have never 'assisted' anyone, I am not knowledgable about methods at all, and if I was then I'm pretty sure that I would be gone instead of posting on these forums. My posts are just venting about how much I dislike living and wishing others the best and it's just been a way for me to pass the time. You don't know anything about me.

The thing that I find disturbing is when people come on suicide forums and claim that others are 'assisting' suicide simply because they respect the right to die which is a human right.
Your post is nonsense and you don't sound very pro choice. It's sad how people can be cruel even on a suicide forum.
Best wishes.

 

[chloramine]

I think the reason people see suicide as a last resort is our connections to people. Loss hurts. Death hurts. Missing people hurts. They didn't kill themselves, but two of my friends died in highschool and it was. Everything shut down. It felt so unfair and it hurt. I also felt envious personally. The fact that they seemed like they wanted to live and died while I wanted so badly to die and had to live felt especially cruel. All this to say that humans are communal. We matter to each other (or we're supposed to. We're not always good at being human). A lot of the people who are suicidal have had a breakdown in that somewhere- people have hurt them or they're alone. Not always, but it's well known that strong support structures make it less likely for people to feel like this.

I agree that it's not fair to gatekeep suicide and that society handles it wrong. I also don't want my friends to die. I wouldn't force them to live or try to guilt them into not dying- that's their choice. Their choices and feelings are valid. The feeling of pain and loss at losing someone is also valid. It just doesn't give us the right to take away someone's choice and autonomy.

I don't believe suicide is wrong or evil. I don't think we need to try and make anyone justify wanting it (although I think everyone will have a reason, even if it's simply not seeing a point to life). I understand not wanting to hurt too. It's not evil or wrong, but losing people hurts.

I can see you don't want life and being forced to live hurts you. I'm sorry you're trapped like that and that you've had your choice taken away from you. I wish we had better options.

 

[👁️👃👁️]

You seem to be new around here, so let me give you a quick rundown. OP and a large percentage of users on SS are, sometimes unbeknwonst to them, Pro-Mortalists. They essentialy see life as net-negative and believe the mere potential for extreme suffering, which is undeniably present in all sentient beings, to make instant, painless death the ideal outcome for every single human alive.

Although they make a few compellimg arguments, I find that their hyper-fixation on sufferimg has reached a comical degree, making it hard for me to tske them serious. They also go through great lenghrs to devalue all the good things life can bring when you're not an anhedoniac, because, like the fox from the fable calling grapes out of his reach sour, they don't have access to them.

Hi my friend. <3


Glad to see that I'm not alone.
Appreciate you much for this response..
I don't think that I'd let some of these people around my children. Especially if they were going through a hard time.

I've been lurking for a while so I've seen some things.

I think life should be the first choice so already we disagree.
In saying that i am completely pro-choice and support everyone's right to there own destiny.
Age, economic factors, location all change with some effort and are the downfall of alot of people unfortunately.
Others are riddled with pain, health issues and mental health, there is a million problems that will never go away.

I find OP quite disturbing, though.
How many people have you assisted to kill themselves with 13,500 posts and this attitude?

Yeah, I thought about the same thing honestly. Think if teenagers going through a really hard time end up coming on this website and reading these kind of threads in a vulnerable state.

 

[Euthanza]

I don't think that I'd let some of these people around my children. Especially if they were going through a hard time.

I've been lurking for a while so I've seen some things.

Yeah, I thought about the same thing honestly. Think if teenagers going through a really hard time end up coming on this website and reading these kind of threads in a vulnerable state.

Neither I don't want to be around your children, we want to die peacefully, remember? That means I'm gonna leaving you and all your children altogether.

But guess what? Some children are suffering more than I do, and some of them are smart enough to escape forced living even without reading this forum, they resorted to some freely available traditional methods like jumping or hanging because the peaceful means are all prohibited by the adults, those poor children in a happy shiney society that forces living.

There are a lot of people liking this thread.

So I'd like to ask... If a teenager is suicidal, would you tell them "It's okay to kill yourself"? Their brains aren't even done developing. They could very well just be going through a rough patch that will pass.

Things COULD get much worse and they could also get much better.

That's not my words, I will just sit and listen to the unfortunate story, and then tell the parents about the story of Danny Bond. Bond was born with a bowel disease that caused him excruciating pain. At thirteen years old, he started talking about killing himself. Indeed, he did try to kill himself three times. When his mother resuscitated him after his third suicide attempt, he told her that she had let him down by saving him. His condition worsened shortly after he turned twenty-one, and he told his parents that he wanted to die and that he wanted their help. But they knew that assisting him would be a crime. Ultimately, he starved himself to death and asked his parents to stay by his bedside to make sure that his doctors did not treat him. "All he wanted was the privilege to be given an injection that would kill him instantly in seconds, and I had to watch him die in days," his mother lamented.

Respectfully, you are no different to a serial killer to me.
Your defense is disgusting. I hope you're investigated.

The burden of proof is all in you, looks like it makes you happy to add more uneccesary suffering. May be you are just fulfilling your selfish ego by giving others a perfect reason to leave this life wholeheartedly.

Although they make a few compellimg arguments, I find that their hyper-fixation on sufferimg has reached a comical degree, making it hard for me to tske them serious. They also go through great lenghrs to devalue all the good things life can bring when you're not an anhedoniac, because, like the fox from the fable calling grapes out of his reach sour, they don't have access to them.

Or may be the arguments are all factual and too honest to be refuted.
Don't worry about access to sour grapes, it's actually sour according to high profiles' suicides. All great thinkers from Buddha to Nietzsche to Harari, all agreed that life is suffering and it's real.

 

[Surgeon]

Neither I don't want to be around your children, we want to die peacefully, remember? That means I'm gonna leaving you and all your children altogether.

But guess what? Some children are suffering more than I do, and some of them are smart enough to escape forced living even without reading this forum, they resorted to some freely available traditional methods like jumping or hanging because the peaceful means are all prohibited by the adults, those poor children in a happy shiney society that forces living.


That's not my words, I will just sit and listen to the unfortunate story, and then tell the parents about the story of Danny Bond. Bond was born with a bowel disease that caused him excruciating pain. At thirteen years old, he started talking about killing himself. Indeed, he did try to kill himself three times. When his mother resuscitated him after his third suicide attempt, he told her that she had let him down by saving him. His condition worsened shortly after he turned twenty-one, and he told his parents that he wanted to die and that he wanted their help. But they knew that assisting him would be a crime. Ultimately, he starved himself to death and asked his parents to stay by his bedside to make sure that his doctors did not treat him. "All he wanted was the privilege to be given an injection that would kill him instantly in seconds, and I had to watch him die in days," his mother lamented.


The burden of proof is all in you, looks like it makes you happy to add more uneccesary suffering. May be you are just fulfilling your selfish ego by giving others a perfect reason to leave this life wholeheartedly.

Or may be the arguments are all factual and too honest to be refuted.
Don't worry about access to sour grapes, it's actually sour according to high profiles' suicides. All great thinkers from Buddha to Nietzsche to Harari are agree that life is suffering and it's real.

There is a thread i can't find right now that i felt this whole post was a direct reply to.
Someone asked the age of the OP who lost his rope to his mother and "funeralcry" replied saying it's basically none of his business who cares if it's a kid etc

I have no intention to bring more suffering to this board, calling out toxic people making a whole thread about me though. i say is fair game.
Have a good day :)

 

[Zegers]

Well, some people enjoy life and like it, even if those of us who are here are in a dark tunnel.

Life is a business and you are a consumer and ctb is not interesting for business.

 

[chyme]

I never understand those who feel a need to gatekeep suicide, suggesting that it's only acceptable for those of a certain age and/or those who fit a certain criteria of suffering.

I don't see dying as tragic, sad or negative.

I think it mainly boils down to the fact that many people don't hold the same presumption your stance is based on, that death isn't something fundamentally bad.

While I'm pro-choice, I can understand where they are coming from.
Dying is painful. Watching others die is painful. The reality of death is painful; it's normal to not want to accept it.
Even though I want to die, the survival instincts hardwired into my brain still plague me.

 

[Jrmull1993]

Respectfully, you are no different to a serial killer to me.
Your defense is disgusting. I hope you're investigated.

Hmmm... Please elaborate on how someone who believes that everyone has the right to inflect death upon themselves if they feel it is best for their own being is even in the same realm as someone who inflects forced death upon someone who does not want to be dead?

I guess since I believe that suicide is an individual's human right, I should have been sentenced to the chair years ago.

Classifying killers and people whom hold particular beliefs in the same category is basically what Hitler did...

 

[Surgeon]

Hmmm... Please elaborate on how someone who believes that everyone has the right to inflect death upon themselves if they feel it is best for their own being is even in the same realm as someone who inflects forced death upon someone who does not want to be dead?

I guess since I believe that suicide is an individual's human right, I should have been sentenced to the chair years ago.

Classifying killers and people whom hold particular beliefs in the same category is basically what Hitler did...

I mean, that's not why i identify this person as a problem.
You have no comprehension of what i wrote so i'm not even sure i should engage with you.
Kind regards, Hitler.

 

[Hollowillow]

I never understand those who feel a need to gatekeep suicide, suggesting that it's only acceptable for those of a certain age and/or those who fit a certain criteria of suffering. To me suicide doesn't need a reason or needs to be justified. None of us asked for this life in the first place anyway so why should we be expected to exist against our wishes. The idea that suicide could be wrong under certain circumstances suggests that there is some purpose or value to being alive which there isn't. Life is just a pointless, unnecessary experience which is basically just endless problems and suffering. There really is no overall benefit to being alive. Humans suffer and struggle all for no purpose just to die eventually and be forgotten.

Suicide could never be wrong as there is nothing bad about being dead, dying takes away all problems and prevents future suffering. The idea that suicide is wrong is based on delusional beliefs about the reality of this existence. As long as someone stays alive, things could get much worse and they could end up in the worst pain imaginable.

I also don't really understand the view that suicide must be a 'last resort' and that you must try everything else first. Nobody has to. For someone to want to ctb they don't even have to suffer and even if there is a potential solution to someones problems they are not obligated to wait and see if their misery would be reduced. Some people simply have no interest in living. Having hope often just leads to more pain as in a life like this suffering is inescapable. Non existence will always be preferable to any life for me, no matter the life lived. I envy those who are gone and I wish that I left much sooner. I don't see dying as tragic, sad or negative. To permanently be free of all suffering is the best thing possible. Suicide is only sad for those left behind, not those that have died. After all, our only purpose as humans is to die.

That's some impressive hard core (not sure of the name) nihilistic maybe mysanthropic? I was tempted to argue... But I think I need to rethink some of my views.

I think there is a point to life. The first life form, a bacteria, wanted to explore all possibilities of quantum physic, so she replicated herself, created complex collonies as life forms, adapted to environments. Then we became slaves in a zoo of someone demanding perfect copies & missed the point.

I thought that the suicide of someone in physical agony was more noble than a frustrated teen on a dating site... But perhaps I'm wrong.

I'm a misanthrope... How can I possibly argue that we all deserve to die.

I wonder how much is guilt or connection to someone who was so unhappy they wanted to die, I see ending my life as the removal of a source of shame from my wife and family's life. Perhaps insurance companies want eternal suffering so they can sell us new drugs perpetually or so they don't have to pay out on long standing life cover.

I was amuse the other day to read a study that has proved serotonin has very little influence on depression and SSRI's although they have an effect it isn't to do to with serotonin re uptake, I bet pharmaceutical companies won't be recalling SSRI's because they work but we don't know why. The more you delve into this mental health crises the more you can see the $$$$ signs.

Antidepressants is insulin. The hormone that stores sugar fuel into fat. It might seem to work if someone eat the standard diet too high in sugar, by giving the pancreas a break, and preventing the manic high. It sedates people in danger, preventing adrenalin rushes from giving them the boost they need to face danger, so they can be docile slaughtered abused sheeps. Comfier that way. Comfier in denial. But the drugs won't give the missing vitamins from the standard diet. Lack of b causes psychosis, lack of c & magnesium cause sheer agony. And for hypoglycemic like me... Lowering the blood sugar would be deadly, triggering psychosis from lack of brain fuel or just dropping dead... So yes antidepressant works and I wish I could take them. If by work you mean sedation & death. Happy pills? No.

I wonder how much is guilt or connection to someone who was so unhappy they wanted to die, I see ending my life as the removal of a source of shame from my wife and family's life. Perhaps insurance companies want eternal suffering so they can sell us new drugs perpetually or so they don't have to pay out on long standing life cover.

I was amuse the other day to read a study that has proved serotonin has very little influence on depression and SSRI's although they have an effect it isn't to do to with serotonin re uptake, I bet pharmaceutical companies won't be recalling SSRI's because they work but we don't know why. The more you delve into this mental health crises the more you can see the $$$$ signs.

Antidepressants is insulin. The hormone that stores sugar fuel into fat. It might seem to work if someone eat the standard diet too high in sugar, by giving the pancreas a break, and preventing the manic high. It sedates people in danger, preventing adrenalin rushes from giving them the boost they need to face danger, so they can be docile slaughtered abused sheeps. Comfier that way. Comfier in denial. But the drugs won't give the missing vitamins from the standard diet. Lack of b causes psychosis, lack of c & magnesium cause sheer agony. And for hypoglycemic like me... Lowering the blood sugar would be deadly, triggering psychosis from lack of brain fuel or just dropping dead... So yes antidepressant works and I wish I could take them. If by work you mean sedation & death. Happy pills? No.

It's very interesting that the same people just don't care about how is your life. Are you happy or sad, do you have friends or you are alone or even if you are hungry they just don't care? But interestingly, they start to care if you decide to commit suicide. I doubt their sincerity.
Also, I am scared the hell out of non-existence. Thinking of ending the chance of experiencing goodness or experiencing anything at all, just disappearing, losing myself and my consciousness. How can any of you accept it so easily? If I could be sure if there is an afterlife (not a bad one) or reincarnation I could die very easily and also if I had a gun :)
I just want to end my psychological pain and be happy. And suicide can be a solution to this pain.

"Matter cannot be created or destroyed, everything changes"

You'll reincarnate. You did. You do every 6 years when your full body renew all cells. You just don't remember being a carrot or whatever. It's for the best considering what we do to animals. Or maybe we should remember ...

It's very interesting that the same people just don't care about how is your life. Are you happy or sad, do you have friends or you are alone or even if you are hungry they just don't care? But interestingly, they start to care if you decide to commit suicide. I doubt their sincerity.
Also, I am scared the hell out of non-existence. Thinking of ending the chance of experiencing goodness or experiencing anything at all, just disappearing, losing myself and my consciousness. How can any of you accept it so easily? If I could be sure if there is an afterlife (not a bad one) or reincarnation I could die very easily and also if I had a gun :)
I just want to end my psychological pain and be happy. And suicide can be a solution to this pain.

"Matter cannot be created or destroyed, everything changes"

You'll reincarnate. You did. You do every 6 years when your full body renew all cells. You just don't remember being a carrot or whatever. It's for the best considering what we do to animals. Or maybe we should remember ...

 

[Funeralprincess]

I never understand those who feel a need to gatekeep suicide, suggesting that it's only acceptable for those of a certain age and/or those who fit a certain criteria of suffering. To me suicide doesn't need a reason or needs to be justified. None of us asked for this life in the first place anyway so why should we be expected to exist against our wishes. The idea that suicide could be wrong under certain circumstances suggests that there is some purpose or value to being alive which there isn't. Life is just a pointless, unnecessary experience which is basically just endless problems and suffering. There really is no overall benefit to being alive. Humans suffer and struggle all for no purpose just to die eventually and be forgotten.

Suicide could never be wrong as there is nothing bad about being dead, dying takes away all problems and prevents future suffering. The idea that suicide is wrong is based on delusional beliefs about the reality of this existence. As long as someone stays alive, things could get much worse and they could end up in the worst pain imaginable.

I also don't really understand the view that suicide must be a 'last resort' and that you must try everything else first. Nobody has to. For someone to want to ctb they don't even have to suffer and even if there is a potential solution to someones problems they are not obligated to wait and see if their misery would be reduced. Some people simply have no interest in living. Having hope often just leads to more pain as in a life like this suffering is inescapable. Non existence will always be preferable to any life for me, no matter the life lived. I envy those who are gone and I wish that I left much sooner. I don't see dying as tragic, sad or negative. To permanently be free of all suffering is the best thing possible. Suicide is only sad for those left behind, not those that have died. After all, our only purpose as humans is to die.

Because people are fucking idiots who have oppression complexes. For once, I'd love to see those who gatekeep suicide (specifically the ones who gatekeep what reasons are or aren't acceptable to die) live in a country where REAL oppression exists… the ones who gatekeep always feel they're the most oppressed, they're the most affected, etc. and I'm like you wouldn't know oppression if it slapped you in the face…. This whole "I have it worse than you so hush" mentality is disgusting and makes me question the validity of their own suicidal claims. In my eyes, a person who's truly suicidal wouldn't ever spend their time judging or gatekeeping reasons for suicide, methods of suicide, etc.
Suicide is valid if your reason is heartbreak, suicide is valid if your reason is loss of potential, suicide is valid if your reason is abandonment, or if your reason is simply because you fucking want to, and more. Gatekeeping suicide reasons and/or methods is just tasteless behavior. Who am I to gatekeep your pain? Who am I to tell you I have it worse? We are all suffering so why not come together and be supportive? It pains me seeing many people (especially on this forum) play the "I'm the most oppressed, therefore I have a right to gatekeep offing yourself" game…. We all want to fucking die and that should be respected. We all are fucking burdens on neurotypical society so why fight against each other? Suicide isn't an easy choice and for the assholes who want to gatekeep someone's reasoning for killing themselves, FUCK you. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE has different breaking points. Someone's breaking point could be they got rejected and they want to die because of it… that's valid. To those that judge it may seem silly, but you don't know why that's their breaking point; you don't know why the things you deem to be "little things" are HUGE things to someone else. We are all people who have been harmed by this world… we need to come together, not against each other

 

[FuneralCry]

There is a thread i can't find right now that i felt this whole post was a direct reply to.
Someone asked the age of the OP who lost his rope to his mother and "funeralcry" replied saying it's basically none of his business who cares if it's a kid etc

I don't think that people post in the suicide discussion section to be interrogated by others asking personal questions and have their suffering invalidated. If someone is in a situation where their ctb methods have been taken away from them and all they want is to die, I doubt that they want to hear 'there is hope if you are young' and 'things could get better', instead I think that people want to have their feelings understood and have their wish to die respected. Pro life platitudes don't help anything. The person in the thread was not even a child. If I was posting for method advice then I would not want some stranger on the internet trying to 'save' me. If someone wanted help on how to improve their life then they would ask for it elsewhere.

I am not a 'problem' in any way, I just respect the right to die for all. There is nothing disgusting about that. The right to die is a human right. Some people simply prefer non existence to living. Nobody is forced to die against their wishes. If other people want to live then that is fine for them but they shouldn't force others to. We will all die anyway so individuals deserve the option of being able to exit when the time is right for them, and I just think that it's wrong how others try to interfere in that.

I think that pro lifers label pro choice posts as 'disturbing' as they would prefer to deny the reality of this existence, instead of trying to understand they just dismiss and insult the views of others. It's unbelievable that pro lifers actually come on a suicide forum to post such nonsense with the intention of making others feel worse.

 

[sunsetting]

It's a rather selfish thing to gatekeep it. If you feel like your life isn't worth living then you should have the right to end it. The gatekeepers usually say stuff like "what about your family" or "you shouldnt give up yet, tomorrow might be better" and expect the person to endure a pointless life full of suffering without question. I'd love if suicide wasn't such a taboo to be discussed in a favorable way on the mainstream, hell, could you imagine how great it would be if some kind of law that regulated all forms of painless suicide would pass? Like buying some N right at the corner store or being able to use one of those suicide beds that end it all quick and easy.

Unfortunately a strong pro-suicide movement would be incredibly hard in today's society, maybe in the future, humanity will be ready to accept that no one should be obliged to live if they don't want to.

 

[Lost Magic]

This is what it feels like.

 

[Givenuponlife]

I never understand those who feel a need to gatekeep suicide, suggesting that it's only acceptable for those of a certain age and/or those who fit a certain criteria of suffering. To me suicide doesn't need a reason or needs to be justified. None of us asked for this life in the first place anyway so why should we be expected to exist against our wishes. The idea that suicide could be wrong under certain circumstances suggests that there is some purpose or value to being alive which there isn't. Life is just a pointless, unnecessary experience which is basically just endless problems and suffering. There really is no overall benefit to being alive. Humans suffer and struggle all for no purpose just to die eventually and be forgotten.

Suicide could never be wrong as there is nothing bad about being dead, dying takes away all problems and prevents future suffering. The idea that suicide is wrong is based on delusional beliefs about the reality of this existence. As long as someone stays alive, things could get much worse and they could end up in the worst pain imaginable.

I also don't really understand the view that suicide must be a 'last resort' and that you must try everything else first. Nobody has to. For someone to want to ctb they don't even have to suffer and even if there is a potential solution to someones problems they are not obligated to wait and see if their misery would be reduced. Some people simply have no interest in living. Having hope often just leads to more pain as in a life like this suffering is inescapable. Non existence will always be preferable to any life for me, no matter the life lived. I envy those who are gone and I wish that I left much sooner. I don't see dying as tragic, sad or negative. To permanently be free of all suffering is the best thing possible. Suicide is only sad for those left behind, not those that have died. After all, our only purpose as humans is to die.

First post here! Just typing my (probably muddled) thoughts here.

One reason is pragmatism. Assisted dying/assisted suicide/voluntary euthanasia campaigners who want to focus on legalising it for people for whom the public picture most when it comes to this topic e.g. the elderly cancer patient with less than 6 months to liveregardless and wish for an ease. It's much more of a hard sell to support assisted suicide for the non-terminally ill, let along for those who are physically healthy but wish for a peaceful death. Even extending it to the latter groups of people is controversial even within campaigns to legalise assisted suicide in countries like the UK.

There is also the issue of mental capability. Many, myself included, do not think that children should be allowed this for any reason due to insufficient emotional maturity and have less capacity to make autonomous situations. Also many within the public and medical professionals, mental illness is seen as something that, even if not, is broadly treatable e.g. depression, BPD, and that anyone who is in this category is seen as irrational and incompetent to make decisions.
To be fair, there is actually a plausible argument to prevent these suicides if someone cannot comprehend what they are doing e.g. cannot understand an action will result in their death, psychotic episodes, manic states which cause people to change their position like the wind. Again, in my view, such people are not capable of making decisions for themselves. In these cases, gatekeeping is done to protect those who people see either those who are vulnerable or open to being exploited, or think that with treatment e.g. Lithium for Bipolar disorder, the mental suffering can be alleviated to the extent that most have a stronger desire to live.
As for the general argument to gatekeep mentally ill people from suicide, I think is medical paternalism, which assumes that the mentally ill are always irrational (hell, many people think suicide itself is inherently irrational!). For example, the clinically depressed, while primed to see the world in a negative manner, aren't inherently irrational. While many do indeed see reality in a negative manner and it can impact their ability to think clearly (and thus stopped from going ahead), there are definitely depressed people for whom there is enough clarity to think through one's decisions and engage in long-term planning, even if their illness marrs their capabilities in other areas. I also think the lack of understanding around mental health also causes people to gatekeep as well, due to caution and worries about the instabilities of the mental illness sufferers.

Many think that suicide is broadly "A permanent solution for a temporary problem", even if the set of problems isn't temporary and think it irrational a priori, and something that people can work through, unless suffering from a terminal disease. In fairness, a large number (perhaps the vast majority) of people do choose suicide as a implusive way out of their problems and do so, with little planning and forethought going into completing the deed. For them, the phrase rings true and for them suicide is indeed not the answer.
For the minority who consistently plan for long periods of time, this doesn't quite fit, but the implusive irrational stereotype persists as a blanket assumption amongst the public, suicide prevention etc.

 

[Celerity]

I think you need to have seen enough of life to make the right decision. The frontal lobes - the seat of human reason - don't stop developing until around 25/30, right? Even setting that aside because the evidence is shaky, I just don't think a child dependent is mature enough to make a rational decision. Your guardians control too much of your life during this time.

Even though I have contemplated suicide since age 12, 19 was IMO the right age to go for it, 24 even better. I had seen enough of life by then to know that most of it just isn't for me.

Suicide is a permanent decision after all. Outside extreme circumstances where there is unrelenting pain and suffering, I think everyone should give life a good shake before catching that final bus trip or kicking that bucket.

When we picture someone who is "not old enough" in your question, most of us will picture a teenager, but what about a small child? I have heard of successful suicides as young as six years old. I could not stand by and let that happen or support them in such a choice. It's no choice at all at such a young age.