Discussion i don't even know why anyone is even going along with this so called life

[Darkover]

i don't even know why anyone is even going along with this so called life
everything we love fades away or breaks down and dies
one thing's for certain we all die in the end(whats that all about are we just destained to fade into nothingness forever or is there more too it)
one mistake away from your certain demise

humans are stuipd i mean most pepole don't even know how computers work or thier mobile phone they just know how to use it
our lives are mostly deterministic
forced to eat
forced to poop
forced to drink
forced to pee
forced to sleep
forced to masturbate
forced to exist
forced to die
forced to see,hear,touch

so why does someone end up with a gift like a hobby (maths, electronics, computers, science, art, writer)
and yet most don't it's this crappy environment and how crappy our parents are at teaching us leaving it all
to the school system isn't the answer i am sure i can give someone a gift for electronics if you just leave a child 5 years
old alone to thier own devices in thier bedroom and never intract with them apart from feeding them will they automaticly
start talking thier toys to bits like i did and get a obsession with how things work that last a lifetime
i think it's all todo with your start in life with who your parents and the environment you're in

why are we even going along with this insanity called life where we have to kill the animals just to survive
were we make war and kill innocent people and torture them were everything we know comes to a end in no time
at all

this place just bring you alive to live out your misery here
there's to much a wrong with these lives from disease to sickness poor health
inadequate housing, inadequate money you just slave away to maintain what little life
you've been given basicly just working to survive so you can carry on slaving away

whats the point to any of this and who ever said life is what you make of it, is wrong your parents play a big role in shaping you
into what you become along with your environment, this environment doesn't give a shit what happens here we could all be killed
off tomorrow and nothing would change the universe just keeps ticking like you never even existed

i would love to see a list of everything a wrong with human life and what possitives it has
jealousy love heartbreak anger guilt shame depression neglect and abuse

Oh, you bring me joy, yeah you bring me sadness
Oh, you bring me love, so forget all the madness
I'm done with all the pain, I'm done with all the happenings
Oh, you bring me joy, yeah you bring me sadness

 

[Sherri]

I will always be pro choice, but I am improving, and I wanna be the girl I once was. I know I will never be the same. But I'm willing to give it a shot. Have a few good friends around 5, have a bf that loves me. Yes i wanna make it count, whatever happens I will always come here cause I also have many people here I couldn't just walk away from, and ss along with my therapy saved me. I came here to get sn and die 2 years ago. Still here, trying to stand up and go further, yes the world is cruel. I've seen it first hand with a non profit organisation I worked for. If a homeless person has hope. I can have hope also. Sorry to crash your thread. All the best to you.

 

[jimmy7754]

Please god get rid of me.

 

[whatevs]

Why are others carrying on with life? They don't have the perception you have. I believe they have a shallower perception, certainly a more pragmatic one. But we also need to merit their intelligence here, they aren't as stupid as they look. They happen to see the beauty in life, or at least they try their best to see it, and they hide their head in the sand when it comes to death, illness, the slavery that biological needs actually represent, the brutality of the food chain, how democracy is a complete sham and voting is an humiliating ritual, etc.

I think even people like you and I, pessimists and overly-sensitive, can have an acceptable life, but we need physical health, friends, a significant other, a community where we belong, etc.

 

[yive]

life was a mistake, and people just idealized this mistake instead of wanting to eradicate it and admitting that life is an undesirable state. nothing more.
this world was cursed from the very beginning

 

[whatevs]

life was a mistake, and people just idealized this mistake instead of wanting to eradicate it and admitting that life is an undesirable state. nothing more.
this world was cursed from the very beginning

This is an ontological impossibility at the moment, what you are proposing. Look around you. Trees, plants, spiders, trillions of germs that are invisible to the human eye. Life loves living, that's why it exists. Every living organism is refuting your thesis. Life is literally an embodiement of the lust for existence. If it was purely a negative, it would collapse. It gives some rewards.

Though, there is truth to pure pessimism, efilism and the like. Some spiritualists have proposed that life is cycle in which Brahma breathes in and out (Big Bang and Big Crunch). In Sankhya philosophy, which I believe is more ancient than Buddhism, the idea is that this cycle is about something metaphysical (the not-manifested) wanting to experience manifestation, and once it is "satiated" then there is a "cosmic rollback". I believe this "satiation" is basically getting fed up with the struggle and misery inherent to existence as we know it.

 

[yive]

This is an ontological impossibility at the moment, what you are proposing. Look around you. Trees, plants, spiders, trillions of germs that are invisible to the human eye. Life loves living, that's why it exists. Every living organism is refuting your thesis. Life is literally an embodiement of the lust for existence. If it was purely a negative, it would collapse. It gives some rewards.

Though, there is truth to pure pessimism, efilism and the like. Some spiritualists have proposed that life is cycle in which Brahma breathes in and out (Big Bang and Big Crunch). In Sankhya philosophy, which I believe is more ancient than Buddhism, the idea is that this cycle is about something metaphysical (the not-manifested) wanting to experience manifestation, and once it is "satiated" then there is a "cosmic rollback". I believe this "satiation" is basically getting fed up with the struggle and misery inherent to existence as we know it.

"natural" doesn't mean "good" and "that's the way it should be", and just because most people think it's good doesn't mean most people aren't wrong. also let's not forget that all the positives in life are just fixed negatives. creating a need > satisfying a need, that's how this life works, there is no real "profit" here. you can easily stop the cycle of suffering at a local level, simply by not having children, by not creating new martyrs. unfortunately its indeed practically impossible to completely and reliably eradicate all life and suffering at the moment, but the key point is: "at the moment"

 

[whatevs]

"natural" doesn't mean "good" and "that's the way it should be", and just because most people think it's good doesn't mean most people aren't wrong. also let's not forget that all the positives in life are just fixed negatives. creating a need > satisfying a need, that's how this life works, there is no real "profit" here. you can easily stop the cycle of suffering at a local level, simply by not having children, by not creating new martyrs. unfortunately its indeed practically impossible to completely and reliably eradicate all life and suffering at the moment, but the key point is: "at the moment"

Yeah, I'm not having children, I'm more on your camp (mortalist) than in the vitalist one. I guess what I was trying to say is that life is grander and more complex than anything we can devise to evaluate it. I'm not completely sold on killing myself and not having children "solving the puzzle", but it probably beats being a thoughtless breeder. I would prefer spiritual enlightenment.

 

[FuneralCry]

Life is completely unnecessary, as we were all perfectly fine not existing until we were forced to live. It is just a pointless experience that we go through for the sake of it. I see life to just be meaningless suffering, all we are doing is passing the time until we finally die. I see no point to living personally and I believe that those who want to live must be delusional. How could anyone want to live in such a cruel, unfair world where there is so much pain that exists. Just the fact that so much suffering exists is enough to make me want to leave this world.

 

[mandyjohnuk]

I read this earlier today and has truly messed with my mind.

The only evidence you have that you exist as a self-aware being is your conscious experience of thinking about your existence. Beyond that you're on your own. You cannot access anyone else's conscious thoughts, so you will never know if they are self-aware

 

[Nightmare Painting]

Most people who live easy and carefree lives don't concern themselves with existential questions or the suffering external to their privileged circumstances. People ignore the things that don't directly benefit them or ideas that can harm them. Human beings are genetically hardwired towards optimism for the sake of survival even if many of the things they believe have no basis in reality.

I agree with everything you said but as long as a majority of people have enough distractions and follow the generic life script towards fulfillment without experiencing anything truly soul crushing then they're not likely to agree with your line of thinking.

 

[Forever Dead]

It seems to me that the mentally ill, the deep thinkers and the highly sensitive people of this world are the only ones who think about this kind of thing. The so-called normal people rarely seem to suffer from things like existential crisis and the realisation that human existence is rooted in suffering, and everything else is a distraction form the pain of reality.