I don't blame people who jump in front of trains.

[Suicideisnirvana]

Even if it may give trauma to the driver, even if it frustrate commuters and travelers who have to go to their jobs and families.

Why ? Because all effective alternatives are outlawed by society, they are both legally forbidden and societaly shunned. Painless, effective poisons are illegal in every country of the world, and guns are illegal in most countries. If you don't have access to guns, well jumping in front of a train remains one of the most effective if not the most effective available method.

Society can't have its cake and eat it too in my opinion. That would be like passing it into law that taxis and ubers and bus have to stop at 8PM, then blaming drunk drivers. Well if you have no taxi/buses/ubers who is gonna drive ? The only choice that is left to you is "Not going out at all to have a drink" or "drive drunk", the ability to drink and take responsible choices for transport is taken away from you.

The same way here, if the ability to make responsible suicide choices that doesn't risk impacting anybody is taken away from you, i don't blame people who chose such a method.

 

[Rex]

Disagree, as soon as you involve someone else in your death in such a direct way... then that's just selfish and you're inflicting mental suffering onto someone else because of that.

Jumping doesn't involve anyone in a direct way, where as running in front of a train does, you pass that trauma on to the driver who feels responsible.

I get people are suicidal and often desperate but in no way should a person directly hurt another mentally by killing themselves. Which they do by using trains as a method. There is a lot of methods you can do without causing DIRECT trauma to another in such a way.

 

[ZeitZuGehen]

Disagree, as soon as you involve someone else in your death in such a direct way... then that's just selfish and you're inflicting mental suffering onto someone else because of that.

Jumping doesn't involve anyone in a direct way, where as running in front of a train does, you pass that trauma on to the driver who feels responsible.

I get people are suicidal and often desperate but in no way should a person directly hurt another mentally by killing themselves. Which they do by using trains as a method. There is a lot of methods you can do without causing DIRECT trauma to another in such a way.

Im kind of conflicted when it comes to this topic but I generally agree with you. One should try to keep the suffering caused by the own suicide as low as possible. Apart from that, such methods wouldn't be common, if the governments would respect everybodies right to die.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Disagree, as soon as you involve someone else in your death in such a direct way... then that's just selfish and you're inflicting mental suffering onto someone else because of that.

Jumping doesn't involve anyone in a direct way, where as running in front of a train does, you pass that trauma on to the driver who feels responsible.

I get people are suicidal and often desperate but in no way should a person directly hurt another mentally by killing themselves. Which they do by using trains as a method. There is a lot of methods you can do without causing DIRECT trauma to another in such a way.

It's not that i disagree with you, i agree with that part of the equation, but you miss the other part : Outlawing safe/effective means for suicide is the primordial selfish act, a barbarian, totalitarian and intrusive selfish act condoned by the majority of society. It's this initial selfish act that makes jumping in a train permissible for me, if you miss out that part of the equation, you miss out everything.

And i'm not condoning it as some form of vengeance, but when it's the only available mean that remains for those with no alternative, when it's your most effective available choice, not everybody has access to heights, for instance in my city there is 0 height of 100M or more from which you can jump. And even the 50metres are inacessible to people who don't live in those buildings.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

Im kind of conflicted when it comes to this topic but I generally agree with you. One should try to keep the suffering caused by the own suicide as low as possible. Apart from that, such methods wouldn't be common, if the governments would respect everybodies right to die.

I also agree that one should try to keep suffering for others as low AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. "Possible" is the key word here. But when you have no access to guns, you tried to get Nembutal but it kept being seized by the customs, you have no outdoor access for CO poisoning, and you have no access to height, well it's either train or a method with less than 80% working.

Society should bear it's own responsibility also. Even if you wanna blame people who jump in front of a train, society should be blamed way more for outlawing other alternatives.

 

[Circles]

Disagree, as soon as you involve someone else in your death in such a direct way... then that's just selfish and you're inflicting mental suffering onto someone else because of that.

Jumping doesn't involve anyone in a direct way, where as running in front of a train does, you pass that trauma on to the driver who feels responsible.

I get people are suicidal and often desperate but in no way should a person directly hurt another mentally by killing themselves. Which they do by using trains as a method. There is a lot of methods you can do without causing DIRECT trauma to another in such a way.

I'm conflicted by it but I understand. I was going to put my head on the train tracks until I realized the messy gore that they would have to see or clean up. It's too traumatizing no matter how many videos I see of the aftermath. But then again it's literally one of the only methods where there are no take backs and in some countries like India whose well known for train suicides I can understand their situation since there aren't many reliable and lethal methods. Hanging hurts and there aren't many places to jump if there aren't tall buildings around. Also it's not like everyone can afford N or anything else. But I understand.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

I'm conflicted by it but I understand. I was going to put my head on the train tracks until I realized the messy gore that they would have to see or clean up. It's too traumatizing no matter how many videos I see of the aftermath. But then again it's literally one of the only methods where there are no take backs and in some countries like India whose well known for train suicides I can understand their situation since there aren't many reliable and lethal methods. Hanging hurts and there aren't many places to jump if there aren't tall buildings around. Also it's not like everyone can afford N or anything else. But I understand.

About hanging, it's not just that it hurts, it's that it doesn't have even a more than 90% success rate even if executed rightly, so it would be even less than that if you include the botched attempts, rope that fails etc.

And less than at least 95% success rate is a huge gamble IMHO. Especially when you can end out alive and in a worse condition.

 

[Circles]

I also agree that one should try to keep suffering for others as low AS LOW AS POSSIBLE. "Possible" is the key word here. But when you have no access to guns, you tried to get Nembutal but it kept being seized by the customs, you have no outdoor access for CO poisoning, and you have no access to height, well it's either train or a method with less than 80% working.

Society should bear it's own responsibility also. Even if you wanna blame people who jump in front of a train, society should be blamed way more for outlawing other alternatives.

I understand your view but what about the innocent people who have to witness and probably clean up the mess?

About hanging, it's not just that it hurts, it's that it doesn't have even a more than 90% success rate even if executed rightly, so it would be even less than that if you include the botched attempts, rope that fails etc.

And less than at least 95% success rate is a huge gamble IMHO. Especially when you can end out alive and in a worse condition.

Which I understand but No innocent should be tarnished by someone else's misery. It's just cruel but again at the same time I understand.

 

[Armadillo]

Just wanted to say that sometimes really there aren't any better alternatives because of how society works.

Not everyone can jump, not everyone can buy even cheap poisons like SN and it's quite possible that for some folks even hanging isn't a safe option.
Some people have to ctb right when they have the chance to do so or else they won't be in the same position for a long time (this doesn't apply for all cases of suicide by train/cop or similar methods of course).

Many people here (myself included) are not "choosing" their way to end the pain because they can't, they'll have to go with what they have.

I'm not going to jump in front of a train btw, don't worry

 

[Arak]

I guess for some people it's the only real option. Jumping ? It would have been easy if I could jump from an altitude of 200 metres at a distance of only a few hundred meter from where I live. Most likely, I'd have been gone already. Add a sedative, an opiate and some guts ... There are so many variables.

 

[Roph]

I feel for the train crew. However, I also feel for the person who was put in the position of jumping there. If they'd stop making suicide so difficult, less innocent train crews would feel the impact.

 

[Trashcan]

I think it's best to find another method if you can. But I can understand that for some people, this is their only method. There was a teenage user on here with no money, didn't have anything to hang themselves (and I believe they also shared a room with someone), was rarely home alone, and lived near the train tracks. It seems like jumping in front of a train was their only option. But if there are other options, then it's selfish to use the train method.

 

[TAW122]

This is indeed quite a tricky subject to discuss, but I will start off by saying I do have mixed feelings about people who do involve others in their suicides. I'm not saying that I agree with the people who involve others, but most of my blame would still be directed at society for creating conditions that allow these situations to occur. Like others have stated, I'd do my best to avoid involving any innocents in my method or causing the most minimal amount of pain and harm, but if I'm really really desperate to the point where I can't find anything reliable enough to do it, then out of exasperation and desperation, I may just resort to things like jumping in front of a train, truck, or even suicide by cop (do something enough not to harm the person, but enough of a threat to provoke a self-defense response).

I mean, suppose I was denied from getting a gun, fail at hanging, couldn't get N or any poison, couldn't access gases He, N2, CO, couldn't find a good high place (tall enough building/cliff/mountain), wrong season for either hyperthermia (desert/hot place) or hypothermia (mountains or snow bank), and other methods are either too unreliable, painful, or unpleasant such cutting wrists and veins lengthwise, drowning in a body of water, OD'ing, starvation and dehydration; then I'd probably choose the method with the next best success rate regardless of whether it involved others. Hopefully I never have to go that far and I will obtain my firearm and be able to use it to off myself when the time comes.

So in summary, I don't fully agree with others' involving others in their method, but at the same time, I can empathize their desperation and having to resort to such means when there is nothing feasibly attainable to use. The bigger problem is society not legalizing voluntary euthanasia which results in a lot of these cases.

 

[Lifeisatrap]

I don't either. The blood lies solely in the hands of this draconian suicide prohibitionist society.

 

[Singing In The Rain]

I've always wondered why train drivers would feel responsible? It's not like they can stop the train in time or swerve out of the way. I can understand how it would be truamatic for them seeing the body though.

I agree with you fully OP. Society needs to address this issue of having the right to die peacefully, to avoid issues like this. Perhaps one day it will be a thing... Its an extremely important topic and just gets ignored. Then people have to resort to painfully hanging themselves etc. How cruel and awful.

Fuck this life I didn't ask to be in this prison of a life. Why can't I leave when I want? Like i will be shortly. I was quite fine being non existant beforehand.

 

[Suicideisnirvana]

I understand your view but what about the innocent people who have to witness and probably clean up the mess?

Which I understand but No innocent should be tarnished by someone else's misery. It's just cruel but again at the same time I understand.

There is a way to protect those : make suicide legal.

Why should the suicidal who is in an awful weakened condition bear more responsbility than society that outlaws more human and less graphic methods ?

 

[kkatt]

I can completely understand how the trauma must be overwhelming for the driver.
But having lain on the track,I know this much....it takes some huge balls to go that way.
Trains are way bigger and louder and scarier than we imagine. If you're considering this method, go check it out first. You do not want to feel like a failure....and you would not be a failure.... just I know I couldn't do it.