I can't take religious people seriously

[TheLightOfMyLife]

I am 26 years old and nothing good ever happened in my life. I am ugly, half black, 5'11, and have never had a woman so much as smile at me for free, yet I am told to just "turn to god" as if whatever god there is hasn't been ignoring my existence for my entire life.

Seriously, these people are insufferable. It's obvious that if there is a god, he either hates me or doesn't care one bit, so why even say things like this?

 

[Darkover]

I have never had a debate with a religious person about their religion where I wasn't thinking: "This person is clueless" the entire time.

I am a firm believer in proof and evidence. Whenever I ask people for evidence of God or heaven or hell or any part of their religion they always quote some scripture from their religious text like they think it's evidence of anything. I could make any ridiculous claim I want to as well. Does writing it down mean it's true? Religious texts aren't proof of jack shit because anyone can write down whatever they want and say it's true or proof or evidence.

Honestly it is almost unbelievable to me that so many people believe in stuff like this. I just think people who can believe something so ridiculous with absolutely no proof are either plain stupid or have been brainwashed into believing it. Because there is no way that any able-minded human would cling to such absurd beliefs.

People should start believing in things that actually exist and that are important like the mind, nature, space, biology, science, physics etc.

 

[NoPoint2Life]

Atheist here. Couldn't agree more. When someone tells me they will pray for me, I want to scream back to them not to bother because there is no God!!

 

[deadstillwalking]

irritation mixed with envy

 

[bankai]

Good old God. I'll ask a simple question. The difference between US and the ants we walk on is greater than the difference between US and God, right? If that's the case, do you really believe such a sublime and omnipotent being could Give a damn about us?

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

Good old God. I'll ask a simple question. The difference between US and the ants we walk on is greater than the difference between US and God, right? If that's the case, do you really believe such a sublime and omnipotent being could Give a damn about us?

I wouldn't even have such a strong objection to the idea of god if people could just accept that if a god exists, he most certainly has favorites and does not love all of creation equally. However, ultimately, this negates the entire purpose of a god for most people entirely, since god is meant to exist as someone who cares when no one else does...

 

[bankai]

I wouldn't even have such a strong objection to the idea of god if people could just accept that if a god exists, he most certainly has favorites and does not love all of creation equally. However, ultimately, this negates the entire purpose of a god for most people entirely, since god is meant to exist as someone who cares when no one else does...

Again, is that possible? That would be like saying Ant #1 is my favorite And I don't like Ant #1086.A being of that level of intelligence and authority couldn't possibly be interested in petty organisms like human beings. It is human ego that wants to believe that a God exists and will Take care of us. Life is very hard to get through otherwise.The truth is that we are products of evolution. And there's actually nothing looking out for us.

People also very much love the idea of the afterlife. I mean, this can't be it, right? This shitty world and existence.

 

[deadstillwalking]

Hypothetical scenario: Child A dies at the age of 6, the soul probably goes to heaven. Child B doesn't die, faces trauma and instead grows up to be an abusive alcoholic, the soul ends up in hell... for all eternity. Eternal reward/punishment determined by limited amount of time spent on Earth? Child A never faced what Child B had to face, Child A could have become even worse of a human being, yet they go to heaven because it never happened. And they call this fair judgement? If God isn't bounded by time, how do you explain this?

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

Hypothetical scenario: Child A dies at the age of 6, the soul probably goes to heaven. Child B doesn't die, faces trauma and instead grows up to be an abusive alcoholic, the soul ends up in hell... for all eternity. Eternal reward/punishment determined by limited amount of time spent on Earth? Child A never faced what Child B had to face, Child A could have become even worse of a human being, yet they go to heaven because it never happened. And they call this fair judgement? If God isn't bounded by time, how do you explain this?

The concept of judgement doesn't even make sense as per most Christians views since an all knowing god would imply the world is deterministic and that they are nothing more than biological machines doing the only thing the can do.

 

[other-ghost]

I envy/irritated by people who are religious. They have something to hold on to, but at the same time, they irritate me.

I hate the concept of (especially abrahamic) religion so much. I'm just someone who are trying to survive this life he (god) gave me, and now I'm going to hell because 1. i don't love myself 2. i can't take care of myself 3. i can't focus on god 4. i want to die? How is that even fair? All that is a sin? Maybe he's just playing with me. Giving me a life he know i can't survive, and expecting me to do things just so i could go to his heaven? What a joke.

And then, his follower just expect us to turn to god because of our suffering? Blaming us it's because we don't pray enough? Is this life just a game of who's the most loyal to god and he'll gift you happiness? How is that fair to people who can't even help themselves? Good for them who found peace with god, but i can't relate to that.

Sorry for the sudden rant, I don't even consider myself as an atheist bc maybe i'm brainwashed by 12 years of religious school, but damn, he doesn't love all of us.

 

[Darkover]

The concept of judgement doesn't even make sense as per most Christians views since an all knowing god would imply the world is deterministic and that they are nothing more than biological machines doing the only thing the can do.

God is all-knowing, so He knows what we will do before we do it.
God knew Adam and Eve would eat the forbidden fruit. He knew Hitler would cause the Holocaust. He knows who is going to Hell and who's going to Heaven.
So how did Adam and Eve, Hitler, and- for example- Christopher Hitchens- have free will if God already knew their fates? Isn't that the same as choosing for us?
If God does not know this or choose it, that means He's not all-knowing and therefore not all-powerful and therefore not God

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

I envy/irritated by people who are religious. They have something to hold on to, but at the same time, they irritate me.

I hate the concept of (especially abrahamic) religion so much. I'm just someone who are trying to survive this life he (god) gave me, and now I'm going to hell because 1. i don't love myself 2. i can't take care of myself 3. i can't focus on god 4. i want to die? How is that even fair? All that is a sin? Maybe he's just playing with me. Giving me a life he know i can't survive, and expecting me to do things just so i could go to his heaven? What a joke.

And then, his follower just expect us to turn to god because of our suffering? Blaming us it's because we don't pray enough? Is this life just a game of who's the most loyal to god and he'll gift you happiness? How is that fair to people who can't even help themselves? Good for them who found peace with god, but i can't relate to that.

Sorry for the sudden rant, I don't even consider myself as an atheist bc maybe i'm brainwashed by 12 years of religious school, but damn, he doesn't love all of us.

The way Christians describe their god and teh "tests" one most endure often seemed like an abusive relationship where you have to be broken and submitted in order to make them happy and get rid of the problem they initially caused. You can't reason with someone who is so mind-broken as to accept that. It isn't fair, but it's not about fair. It's about submission. That is why there is the emphasis on "faith", because it strips you of your agency.

 

[other-ghost]

The way Christians describe their god and teh "tests" one most endure often seemed like an abusive relationship where you have to be broken and submitted in order to make them happy and get rid of the problem they initially caused. You can't reason with someone who is so mind-broken as to accept that. It isn't fair, but it's not about fair. It's about submission. That is why there is the emphasis on "faith", because it strips you of your agency.

Ah, you're right. I'm not christian, i'm muslim so i don't know much about it, but it's similar in some ways. It's never fair, even when they call my god the embodiment of justice. Faith is just submitting everything, your freedoom, yourself. And calling it abusive relationship is so fitting, actually. I never called it like that but it makes so much sense.

It's sad, isn't it? To be disliked by god. Religious ppl around me says "be grateful you're facing hardships, that means you're loved by god!", no girl this makes me want to kms i CAN'T be grateful abt this!!

 

[bankai]

Hypothetical scenario: Child A dies at the age of 6, the soul probably goes to heaven. Child B doesn't die, faces trauma and instead grows up to be an abusive alcoholic, the soul ends up in hell... for all eternity. Eternal reward/punishment determined by limited amount of time spent on Earth? Child A never faced what Child B had to face, Child A could have become even worse of a human being, yet they go to heaven because it never happened. And they call this fair judgement? If God isn't bounded by time, how do you explain this?

Yup it's all stories fabricated by old men to keep the masses in line.

 

[Daenerys Targaryen]

Religious nonsense. If God existed, he wouldn't make us suffer like this.

 

[Thekla]

It's kinda weird that a bunch of suicidal people think they are more rational than religious people who aren't suicidal.

Like, guys. We're the weird ones. Even by a purely atheistic worldview. We literally want to kill ourselves, which is the opposite of life's main goal: survival.

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

It's kinda weird that a bunch of suicidal people think they are more rational than religious people who aren't suicidal.

Like, guys. We're the weird ones. Even by a purely atheistic worldview. We literally want to kill ourselves, which is the opposite of life's main goal: survival.

I am not weird for the way I feel. The truth is that any sane person would be miserable and want to die in my situation. Religious people are wrong because they refuse to admit that, instead choosing to gaslight me and tell me that if I would turn to god it would fix all of my problems(which he supposedly also gave me and ignored for my entire life). Those religious people who truly enjoy their lives only feel this way because they were born lucky. They had genes that worked out, good families, people who love them, no ugliness, etc, and because of that they attribute their lives to a being they've never met or interacted with in any way, and every little bump is nothing but a "test". if they would just admit their god has his favorites and leave it at that, I wouldn't say a thing. Yet they insist that this same god watched me suffer a fate no human should suffer and that I am in the wrong for not dropping to my knees and pledging my eternal submission.That is where the true insanity lies

 

[Pluto]

 

[Cauliflour]

I've been raised athiest and I say that I'm athiest but don't exactly believe in the "coming from nothing" bit because realistically there probably is some higher being that created our world (think of the way maths works, I just don't see how a bunch of coincidences could make something universally consistent) but I don't think it's some old guy in the clouds nor that they came to Earth to teach us stuff on morality and when to eat fish. That's ridiculous. Do we do that with our OCs and stories? No. Do we put our fictional characters through terrible situations just for entertainment? Yes, it's called "Happy Tree Friends".

Humans are just so ridiculous that I can't see how we're not some kind of soap opera for a sadistic being. God isn't omnibenevolent. That's stupid. Why would a being that can kill all of us in seconds care about us? We don't care about ants and we can wipe out a colony with just a good boot so we're their higher being.

Although, if people find comfort in the idea that some higher being cares about them, then I just mind my business and agree to disagree. I don't like it when people try to force their view onto me so I don't force my view onto them. If they respect my different view and don't try to convert me then I don't care if they believe in fairy tales (as long as they're not hurting others with their view).

 

[TheLightOfMyLife]

I've been raised athiest and I say that I'm athiest but don't exactly believe in the "coming from nothing" bit because realistically there probably is some higher being that created our world (think of the way maths works, I just don't see how a bunch of coincidences could make something universally consistent) but I don't think it's some old guy in the clouds nor that they came to Earth to teach us stuff on morality and when to eat fish. That's ridiculous. Do we do that with our OCs and stories? No. Do we put our fictional characters through terrible situations just for entertainment? Yes, it's called "Happy Tree Friends".

Humans are just so ridiculous that I can't see how we're not some kind of soap opera for a sadistic being. God isn't omnibenevolent. That's stupid. Why would a being that can kill all of us in seconds care about us? We don't care about ants and we can wipe out a colony with just a good boot so we're their higher being.

Although, if people find comfort in the idea that some higher being cares about them, then I just mind my business and agree to disagree. I don't like it when people try to force their view onto me so I don't force my view onto them. If they respect my different view and don't try to convert me then I don't care if they believe in fairy tales (as long as they're not hurting others with their view).

While I do not think that a god is required for an order/logic to arise, I do think that I agree- I personally believe in an evil and cruel god. I feel that this world could only make sense as some kind of cosmic joke, and I certainly believe that my life was meant to be particularly hilarious. If a god cared about any of us, then none of this life would have happened.

 

[Blue Dream]

Even by a purely atheistic worldview. We literally want to kill ourselves, which is the opposite of life's main goal: survival.

Main goal according to who...?
How do you know it has a goal at all? To me that sounds like thinking of rainfall as having a goal. It just happens under certain conditions, same as life.

 

[beelzebul]

all religion is toxic, but islam and christianity especially grind my gears. they seem to be the ones to pretend like their religion is something they're not the most (ie, religions of peace and love). Literally like, they are the most violent religions currently, so.

edit: although i just have worse experiences with them, as an lgbt person lmao.

 

[deadeyesnowman]

Ah, religion my least favorite topic. The very reason I no longer adhere to my Catholic faith. Too many bible thumpers and virtue signalers yet they are so... hypocritical.

 

[nebulous3000]

I've been possessed ama

 

[cme-dme]

Live and let live. People are free to believe what they want and that should be respected both ways. Move on.