Venting I can't stand people who tell me I don't have the right to kill myself.

[Unending]

How dare somebody try to tell me that I don't have the right to kill myself. I hate this world so so much and can't stand the anti-death culture that most of the world lives in. Suicide prevention really seems like such bullshit to me more and more the longer that I have to endure this horrific life of mental illness that I didn't ask for. I've been trying to distract myself tonight from the usual mental agony and came across this article listing several reasons why I don't have the right to end my own life.

I mean seriously, this is just such dogmatic nonsense. Each and every reason listed was completely illogical and I truly believe that anyone should be able to see how irrational it is granted they didn't have a strong psychological bias on this topic. This really is the only website that I can talk about desires to end my life without being talked to like a fucking idiot.

I don't even know what to say, I'm obviously angry over reading an internet article so that's a bit alarming but damn it I'm in such intense pain all day every single day I guess that makes me a little sensitive to this rhetoric. I just don't have words for the mental agony that I live with. I generally say that I wouldn't wish this on anybody but lately I just really feel like if people who tried to talk to me like I owe life something could feel what I feel for 5 minutes they would beg for it to stop.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

Awesome post !!!
Who the frak are they to tell us we have to "Live"
They need to focus on their own lives and stop messing with ours.

 

[FrostedHoax]

People who haven't gone through the kind of pain that leads someone to resort to such an extreme action can never understand what it's like to want to truly end your life once and for all. The suicide stigma has been so heavily engrained into our society and most people can't see past it and empathize with wanting to just go into a deep and permanent sleep.

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

I hate it when other people try to guilt-trip me out of killing myself by saying things like "think of your family!". I'm doing this for myself, why is it "take care of yourself first!" then it flips when I want to die.

It is self-care to me, I don't need to go through this absolute burden and waste of a life and can finally find peace. I find it incredibly selfish.

Things like "you have a life ahead of you!" yeah one of pure misery. "What about your dreams!" Dead. It just feels so wrong to me like yeah no I was told it gets better for years believing it just to learn it's complete BS.

People who haven't gone through the kind of pain that leads someone to resort to such an extreme action can never understand what it's like to want to truly end your life once and for all. The suicide stigma has been so heavily engrained into our society and most people can't see past it and empathize with wanting to just go into a deep and permanent sleep.

God I hate that stigma, I'd honestly want to go into a coma and awaken every few years just to see what humanities up to.

 

[C:/]

I can agree with you, sometimes suicide gets brought up in my group and they always take the stand that it is unacceptable and selfish of the person, and if you do it you are a bad person.

Im a closet suicidal person and one of the biggest reasons is that I feel selfish for wanting to. Whenever I am feeling like ctbing I just think of the pain that I am going to cause and I don't do it. It's a feedback loop of feeling shitty in general.

 

[not-2-b-the-answer]

I hate it when other people try to guilt-trip me out of killing myself by saying things like "think of your family!". I'm doing this for myself, why is it "take care of yourself first!" then it flips when I want to die.

It is self-care to me, I don't need to go through this absolute burden and waste of a life and can finally find peace. I find it incredibly selfish.

Things like "you have a life ahead of you!" yeah one of pure misery. "What about your dreams!" Dead. It just feels so wrong to me like yeah no I was told it gets better for years believing it just to learn it's complete BS.

God I hate that stigma, I'd honestly want to go into a coma and awaken every few years just to see what humanities up to.

Unless there is an intervention by aliens or whatever god people believe in, humanity will not be around much longer.

 

[NoLoveNoHope]

Unless there is an intervention by aliens or whatever god people believe in, humanity will not be around much longer.

Yeah definitely, IMO there's a very good chance it'll only last a few more decades. Before my death I'll probably try to predict what will happen and knowing how stupid humanity is I'll have a dying called it!

 

[FrostedHoax]

I hate it when other people try to guilt-trip me out of killing myself by saying things like "think of your family!". I'm doing this for myself, why is it "take care of yourself first!" then it flips when I want to die.

It is self-care to me, I don't need to go through this absolute burden and waste of a life and can finally find peace. I find it incredibly selfish.

Things like "you have a life ahead of you!" yeah one of pure misery. "What about your dreams!" Dead. It just feels so wrong to me like yeah no I was told it gets better for years believing it just to learn it's complete BS.

God I hate that stigma, I'd honestly want to go into a coma and awaken every few years just to see what humanities up to.

Yeah, if there was one change I could force into society it would be to remove the stigma associated with suicide. Just imagine how much societal upheaval there would be if people were given accessible ways to kill themselves easily and painlessly. Maybe then society would actually work towards making life better for everyone since anyone would be able to just opt out of life after visiting a facility and signing some documents. After all, a society cannot function without the bodies and tax money needed to maintain it.

 

[CTB Dream]

Yea this awful world awful species, have injury damage have illne, ni able live ni resn stay ,all awful force sffr this world cruel ,if have peace method not stay even 1 scnd

 

[ChildrensITV]

Unless there is an intervention by aliens or whatever god people believe in, humanity will not be around much longer.

This is cope.

- Earth is the only planet with intelligent life on it.
- It is the right distance from the sun to sustain life. It has oxygen and plants.
- It is free from asteroids, toxic gases, etc.

With all of these unlikelihoods all happening at once, whatever is keeping us all here, do you think it will magically stop in our lifetime? If anything, the intervention is only thing that will STOP humanity from existing much longer. It's the opposite!

 

[tothepoint]

Things like "you have a life ahead of you!" yeah one of pure misery. "What about your dreams!" Dead.

Suicide IS my dream. No pain, no suffering, ever again. To me that's so much more desirable than anything life has to offer.

 

[FuneralCry]

Those anti choice people certainly disgust me but anyway their opinions shouldn't matter. No matter what they say nobody is obligated to continue delaying their inevitable fate, it's like they forget that we are all destined to die anyway. At least to me suicide would be a perfectly logical choice to prevent all future suffering, life is completely unnecessary in the first place.

 

[headcase95]

Quick and painless CTB methods should be available to all adults, no exceptions for depression. If I could buy a shotgun I'd be gone already.

 

[Catastrofe]

How dare somebody try to tell me that I don't have the right to kill myself

I had an hard time thinking about it. My being suicidal comes from events in life I am struggling with, but really nothing compared to other situations.
This idea has this pattern : hard events or situations --> suicidal thoughts ; so if those events are not "objectively" hard enough a person is not really allowed to be suicidal.
However, in reality it is : deep and strong pain --> suicidal thoughts. Deep and strong pain is "subjective" rather than objective, different from everyone.

I have read an article recently, stating that being suicidal or not depends how high or low is everyone's tollerance to deep pain and suffering : if you have low tollerance, you develop suicidal thoughts easier.
Following this point of view being suicidal is a sign of health, imo : we have low tollerance to deep suffering - nothing healthier than this!

 

[Heavenbound]

I can totally relate to what you're saying.
No one should tell another person what they can and cannot do with their own body as long as they aren't harming others.

Obviously this won't apply to everyone, but I feel that if the psychiatrists/therapists/counselors etc. would actually do their bloody job, put some effort into it and at least pretend that they care, we would be a lot better off.

 

[Pluto]

In most places, it's not actually illegal to attempt suicide. (Would be pretty weird in places where it was; giving someone in pain a criminal record, which will surely solve the problem!)

More fundamentally, life and death is a process of natural laws asserting themselves and not subject to any particular human cultures or opinions.

There has been life on Earth for 4 billion years, yet modern humans have existed for 5 thousandths of one percent of that time. Modern culture perhaps one percent of that. Our lifetimes little more than a further hundredth. Human ideas are as infinitesimal as our planet's scale relative to the universe. Hence, the absurdity of viewing any human perspective as authoritative over life itself; like holding a pea up to the sky and concluding it's larger than the sun.

The conclusion is that everyone must have a right to die because there is no legitimate authority to declare otherwise. Instead of being concerned with other people and the conditioned ideas that they will parrot, the question should instead be about making an informed choice based on being deeply true to yourself. The more conditioning one can discard in pursuit of inner truth, the better.

 

[Lavander 230]

If you don't mind me asking, what kind of mental illness do you currently have?

 

[sadandlonely99]

Fully agree! Fuck this pro-suffering, anti-choice world

 

[Synrelia]

humans, to their core, are inherently selfish. i'm not reading anything else on this thread beside your main post. but as someone who's been very suicidal and have also stopped others from committing, i think i have a solid view point on why both sides feel the way they do.

most of the time, your loved ones want you to keep fighting and live for their own benefits, though they may not realise this. this ranges from your friends needing you emotionally, to your immediate family not wanting the grief and anguish over losing someone young. or with a significant other, where they can't imagine a life without you and beg you to live.

on the other hand, people may call you selfish for wanting to kill yourself, and inherently, it kind of is. selfishness is not a bad thing, it is simply the act of choosing oneself's wants and needs above others. just as people want you to live for them, you have the right to die for yourself.

humans are also scientifically social creatures. a human on its own doesn't thrive, it needs a community to survive and reproduce. thus, it's more common that complex relationships are formed, and you are without choice, more often encouraged to live and uphold your responsibilities to go on to do the same. it is unusual to want to stop this cycle in a very brutal manner, however it is more common due to how advanced we become and how we come to realise the problems deeprooted within ourselves.

you have a right to do what you want with your life, to live it or throw it away. but society has expectations of you that encourage living and fighting over giving up and dying. ultimately you decide who's selfishness matters more, yours or of the others around you, superficial or not. and again, selfishness is not a bad thing.

 

[aitouka]

I agree. I never understood why would people tell us to not ctb, after all it's my body and not theirs. And society, not talking about those who really care, but those NGOs or police who wants suicide prevention so fucking much, yet never thought about or tried to improve on the reasons behind our desires of death. They keep up the compassionate and 'life is beautiful' show when being cruel. And those to tell us to not do it because they'd feel bad, it's like deadnaming a trans person and refusing to use their actual name because 'they'd feel bad'.

 

[SpiderLink]

How dare somebody try to tell me that I don't have the right to kill myself. I hate this world so so much and can't stand the anti-death culture that most of the world lives in. Suicide prevention really seems like such bullshit to me more and more the longer that I have to endure this horrific life of mental illness that I didn't ask for. I've been trying to distract myself tonight from the usual mental agony and came across this article listing several reasons why I don't have the right to end my own life.

I mean seriously, this is just such dogmatic nonsense. Each and every reason listed was completely illogical and I truly believe that anyone should be able to see how irrational it is granted they didn't have a strong psychological bias on this topic. This really is the only website that I can talk about desires to end my life without being talked to like a fucking idiot.

I don't even know what to say, I'm obviously angry over reading an internet article so that's a bit alarming but damn it I'm in such intense pain all day every single day I guess that makes me a little sensitive to this rhetoric. I just don't have words for the mental agony that I live with. I generally say that I wouldn't wish this on anybody but lately I just really feel like if people who tried to talk to me like I owe life something could feel what I feel for 5 minutes they would beg for it to stop.

Suicide prevention to me is saying "Wait! Talk to me before u do anything". Same goes for any other thing for prevention.

 

[Flailure 513282]

How dare somebody try to tell me that I don't have the right to kill myself. I hate this world so so much and can't stand the anti-death culture that most of the world lives in. Suicide prevention really seems like such bullshit to me more and more the longer that I have to endure this horrific life of mental illness that I didn't ask for. I've been trying to distract myself tonight from the usual mental agony and came across this article listing several reasons why I don't have the right to end my own life.

I mean seriously, this is just such dogmatic nonsense. Each and every reason listed was completely illogical and I truly believe that anyone should be able to see how irrational it is granted they didn't have a strong psychological bias on this topic. This really is the only website that I can talk about desires to end my life without being talked to like a fucking idiot.

I don't even know what to say, I'm obviously angry over reading an internet article so that's a bit alarming but damn it I'm in such intense pain all day every single day I guess that makes me a little sensitive to this rhetoric. I just don't have words for the mental agony that I live with. I generally say that I wouldn't wish this on anybody but lately I just really feel like if people who tried to talk to me like I owe life something could feel what I feel for 5 minutes they would beg for it to stop.

That kind of rhetoric sounds super annoying to deal with. Some people just hate it when other people have control over themselves.