I bought SN from a brick and mortar store in the US

[Harrier]

Found likely product (online, haven't gone on field trip yet.

The MSDS for brand doesn't list SN.

Maybe there are different types for this use.

 

[madwoman]

Is asking what industry is it related to okay?

 

[Bornor823]

Found likely product (online, haven't gone on field trip yet.

The MSDS for brand doesn't list SN.

Maybe there are different types for this use.

I found an SDS for one brand that didn't list it but there was a different SDS that did and the SDS for every other brand listed it.

 

[Harrier]

....So, I'd say that's a borderline useless, and possibly misleading hint. Only other industry that could possibly make sense in terms of a heat based use for SN that might be able to be purchased by a normal person would possibly be something to do with automotive stuff (tempering small metal objects). But even that doesn't make sense, because another user said you don't heat up the SN inside the jar.

I just saw a video of the product which I think is the one being used. On the contrary, I'd say that the SN does get hot, but heating it isn't the point of the use.

 

[Dontwant2Bhere]

I just saw a video of the product which I think is the one being used. On the contrary, I'd say that the SN does get hot, but heating it isn't the point of the use.

Does it involve an item going into the SN that would be hot? And does the SN get heated up first?

I ask this, even though you haven't confirmed that the product you are watching the videos for is the correct product, btw.. Would be great if you could confirm you've got the right product / application of the product, etc

 

[Harrier]

I'm baffled by this riddle. I think I know two box stores that are common in "industrial areas" but being in a glass jar and never being expected to be taken out of the jar and it withstanding heat? Assuming I have the box store right I wonder what section/department it would be found in.

It wouldn't be at any of the box stores you likely have in mind. I checked.

It's going to be at a store for the specific activity, and keep in mind that it has mentioned that people who engage in this activity don't neccesarily know they are using SN and often don't think the product is the best way to accomplish what they are doing.

It involves heat and the SN never leaves the jar.

Another CTB method is associated with this activity, which I have guesses but am unsure of.

Just summarized some key hints already made in this thread.

 

[Riu]

After seeing people mentioning it would be found at a store that contains "materials" for another popular method to CTB, and then based on the fact that heat is relevant to the intended use of the item, well..? It makes me think of some sort of heat treatment for bluing/tempering guns, since that (gun stores) would be primarily found in industrials areas (at least in the US, it's a zoning regulation thing, I guess).

And they do make products that contain SN, that are for this use. The only issue is that there are VERY FEW products like this, you can count them on one hand, and most of them don't contain only SN, they contain KN and other chemicals as well. And none that come in glass, and none with a small enough amount of product (they are far beyond 50g, in all cases).

I've also checked products that have to do with knife tempering and bluing, since that makes slightly more sense than firearm tempering/bluing, since knives are smaller. But same issue as with the gun products, except worse. There's only a few knife products that fit this description...

Bluing was what I initially thought too. I thought it was a gun store and it was a product for gun parts. It's close, in the way that metal is involved, and will contact the sn.

You'd mentioned that there were materials at your store that had to do with another method to CTB... Can you mention what that other method to CTB would be?

The other material that the store sells is something that you can't physically hold with your hand.

Don't focus on what specific store it is. Focus on what kind of store it is. It's related to the regular customer's work.

 

[drune11]

I don't think the OP's hints are useless at all. Quite the opposite actually. I just think everybody has different levels of knowledge and exposure to certain industries, because of their job/profession, etc. I'm sure there are other potential reasons why someone would figure it out right away, versus why someone might not figure it out.

Think about the questions you just asked in your other post. There's almost nothing to gleam from the OP other than he bought it. He's not going to answer your questions because he's selfish. He's already said multiple times he feels like he's given more than enough. People have been digging and digging and really, no luck. If his hints weren't useless, you wouldn't need the questions you asked. Yes you're right about the different levels of knowledge, etc. And that's why for most people, it's nothing more than a tease.

 

[Harrier]

Does it involve an item going into the SN that would be hot? And does the SN get heated up first?

I ask this, even though you haven't confirmed that the product you are watching the videos for is even the correct product, btw.

Like, not trying to be rude, but, if you haven't confirmed the product is the correct product first, then the hints you're giving might not be a great idea, I feel like. A potentially inaccurate hint could really end up muddying the waters here. You know what I mean?

I am new, and don't want to violate any rules.

I will just say that I am rather sure what the use is, and from that the product can be narrowed down.

As for your first two questions, I will leave them for more experienced members.

 

[Dontwant2Bhere]

I am new, and don't want to violate any rules.

I will just say that I am rather sure what the use is, and from that the product can be narrowed down.

As for your first two questions, I will leave them for more experienced members.

All I know is that I've been rather sure on a number of different points, only to look up the MSDS files for them and realizing that it's either the wrong chemicals, or does contain SN but has other stuff like KN in it. That's why I'm saying you should try and confirm it first before giving possibly wrong hints. Shouldn't be that hard, just find the website for the manufacturer of the product, and there will either be a pdf file on the listing for the item, or you have to request it from the manufacturer. Either way though, no matter what, you're going to need to confirm that it's right before buying it and using it. And since the OP said the packaging doesn't say anything about it and he had to get the MSDS to confirm it was SN, then yeah, no matter what, you'll need to find the MSDS sheet.

I wish you luck, and wish everybody luck in figuring this out. This is quite tricky.

Just wish I knew specifically what other materials for CTBing the OP was talking about when he said it was at the same store, lol. Then you got someone else saying the item to CTB with is something you can't hold in your hand, even if it wouldn't harm you if you did. Like what even is that?? Lol this is a tricky one. Each hint is a new riddle, lol. I don't see how just saying what the other item to CTB with would be giving the whole deal away... It's a pretty far cry from breaking the forum rules I believe, as it's not directly giving up the source in any way shape or form, in this case it's just saying "oh the store had this other item too". Which doesn't seem like it would be giving it all away to me...

I think I'm going to take a break from this for a while though. I just don't see what I'm missing. It's frustrating, but at least it's entertaining trying to solve it, I will say that...

 

[Harrier]

Once again, hope I'm not crossing a line here with TMI.

On some forums for this particular activity when they discuss the drawbacks of using the likely product in question, their preferred method to accomplish the same result is a tool used by anyone who took shop class.

All I know is that I've been rather sure on a number of different points, only to look up the MSDS files for them and realizing that it's either the wrong chemicals, or does contain SN but has other stuff like KN in it. That's why I'm saying you should try and confirm it first before giving possibly wrong hints. Shouldn't be that hard, just find the website for the manufacturer of the product, and there will either be a pdf file on the listing for the item, or you have to request it from the manufacturer. Either way though, no matter what, you're going to need to confirm that it's right before buying it and using it. And since the OP said the packaging doesn't say anything about it and he had to get the MSDS to confirm it was SN, then yeah, no matter what, you'll need to find the MSDS sheet

I agree. I will verify by doing that before saying anymore.

Anyone considering this as a CTB method should do full research anyway, but my intent was to help lead people into the right direction.

If I can possibly be misleading, I'll just be quiet.
I just thought of a really good hint, which while vague, would probably identify the other CTB method.

All I have is a good guess, though. If I am correct on the SN product, I am right about the other one too.

But I just agreed to not be misleading.

Here, I will be more vague - in the interest of forum rules - unless I am way of track.

If I am correct about the "other" CTB method, and the activity for which my candidate product is associated (loosely) with that method - then while the SN product would be, what is the word... highly niche - the other possible CTB method is associated with something used by many people - and is quite "innocuous".

Anyway, I will shut up now.

 

[mustard tiger]

this is very frustrating

 

[Riu]

you got someone else saying the item to CTB with is something you can't hold in your hand, even if it wouldn't harm you if you did.

It's something you can't physically hold and it has no shape.

I feel like it's easy to figure out what kind of store and what kind of work it caters to if you combine the material used for another method and the information about heat and metal. You can ask me questions if you want to. I have confirmed the product with OP. I don't think I have given any incorrect information. I recommend finding the field of work first to narrow down what to search for, but maybe that's not the best way to go about finding it.

 

[msds]

You'd mentioned that there were materials at your store that had to do with another method to CTB... Can you mention what that other method to CTB would be?

The other method is a form of suffocation.

I just saw a video of the product which I think is the one being used. On the contrary, I'd say that the SN does get hot, but heating it isn't the point of the use.

It sounds like you have found it. If you're not seeing the 98% SN one, just look for other brands which do the same thing. Some them have varying concentrations, though i've not seen one that has KN in it, and I suspect the varying concentrations in the datasheets are mostly room for impurities.

 

[Harrier]

The other material that the store sells is something that you can't hold with your hand (not that it will harm you if you try to hold it.)

Just want to add that this is a very good description, and confirms in my mind the other CTB method.

 

[msds]

Think about the questions you just asked in your other post. There's almost nothing to gleam from the OP other than he bought it. He's not going to answer your questions because he's selfish. He's already said multiple times he feels like he's given more than enough. People have been digging and digging and really, no luck. If his hints weren't useless, you wouldn't need the questions you asked. Yes you're right about the different levels of knowledge, etc. And that's why for most people, it's nothing more than a tease.

Yes, I'm so selfish that I posted a bunch of hints for how to find it. Digging and digging, at least 8 people clearly have found the product. "no luck." Never answering any questions.. I'm sorry I don't even have a snarky comeback for that one, have you read the thread, my guy?

 

[Harrier]

I know that I said I'd sit this out for now, but just want to support OP.

I also want to be careful how I word this because this is a community of people who are broken, and words can hurt.

I wish everyone peace, and while I would never criticize a decision, don't want to push anyone in that direction (which is against the rules anyway, I believe).

So, I will...not use the word I was going to, but just summarize what OP already said on the matter.

Directly linking to the product is a violation of forum rules and may be a crime, too.

Openly identifying this product would cause it to be pulled from the shelf, and those of us in pain would have to go through other channels.

OP is protecting this community by preserving our options.

 

[drune11]

Yes, I'm so selfish that I posted a bunch of hints for how to find it. Digging and digging, at least 8 people clearly have found the product. "no luck." Never answering any questions.. I'm sorry I don't even have a snarky comeback for that one, have you read the thread, my guy?

The entire thing, multiple times. I'm all for concealing sources, but your "hints" are terrible.

 

[Bornor823]

The entire thing, multiple times. I'm all for concealing sources, but your "hints" are terrible.

the existing hints are already quite revealing, what would you prefer that wouldn't be too much?

 

[Dontwant2Bhere]

The entire thing, multiple times. I'm all for concealing sources, but your "hints" are terrible.

Just calm down, yo.. As stumped as I and quite a few others might be, the fact is that nobody owes me, you, or anyone else *anything* regarding this. I'd be glad there's hints AT ALL.

And obviously other people *have* successfully found it, so the hints are OBVIOUSLY still helpful—even if 100% of people might not have succeeded yet...

I think instead of funnelling your frustration into being angry, you might consider trying to do what the OP said, and ask people questions that might help you.

Don't expect them to say anything too revealing, but yeah. Just try and funnel your frustration in a productive way. Because again, not a soul on these forums owes you ANYTHING. Best to remember that, and be appreciative of the fact that this thread exists, and people ARE willing to provide hints, regardless of if they're to your liking enough.

We'll both figure it out if we keep at it. Even if it's not at the exact millisecond of time we'd prefer to figure it out. We got this though man, but please, stop getting mad at the messenger (the OP). That helps nothing.

 

[leoneliona]

Once again, hope I'm not crossing a line here with TMI.

On some forums for this particular activity when they discuss the drawbacks of using the likely product in question, their preferred method to accomplish the same result is a tool used by anyone who took shop class.

I agree. I will verify by doing that before saying anymore.

Anyone considering this as a CTB method should do full research anyway, but my intent was to help lead people into the right direction.

If I can possibly be misleading, I'll just be quiet.
I just thought of a really good hint, which while vague, would probably identify the other CTB method.

All I have is a good guess, though. If I am correct on the SN product, I am right about the other one too.

But I just agreed to not be misleading.

Here, I will be more vague - in the interest of forum rules - unless I am way of track.

If I am correct about the "other" CTB method, and the activity for which my candidate product is associated (loosely) with that method - then while the SN product would be, what is the word... highly niche - the other possible CTB method is associated with something used by many people - and is quite "innocuous".

Anyway, I will shut up now.

The beginning of this message is a very good hint.
Thank you for posting, and for others giving out hints to narrow it down!

 

[Throwawaysoul]

This thread is ridiculous and going nowhere. Can it be locked,

 

[BradGuy123]

It's something you can't physically hold and it has no shape.

I feel like it's easy to figure out what kind of store and what kind of work it caters to if you combine the material used for another method and the information about heat and metal. You can ask me questions if you want to. I have confirmed the product with OP. I don't think I have given any incorrect information. I recommend finding the field of work first to narrow down what to search for, but maybe that's not the best way to go about finding it.

Heat and metal? Could it be related to welding?
EDIT: I had a conversation with Claude AI and I now think that the activity may be heat treating metal

 

[Harrier]

This thread is ridiculous and going nowhere. Can it be locked,

I disagree.

All hints are valid.

All posts are leading in the right direction.

I'd be more specific about a particular post, but don't want to break a rule.

Read between the lines.

Think about who is not mentioning something...

I disagree.

All hints are valid.

All posts are leading in the right direction.

I'd be more specific about a particular post, but don't want to break a rule.

Read between the lines.

Think about who is not mentioning something...

And more particularly, what is this specialty store, with all the hints given about the nature of the activity, the container it is in, and the relationship to another CTB method.

Everything you need to know is in this thread.