I am convinced we will be immortal and all problems will be solved i.e a heaven on earth utopia in the future and this is preventing me from ctb

[PerfectVictory]

Can anyone convince me that such a future is impossible?

I would like to CTB but I am worried about missing out on a future where technology fixes all of are problems, kind of like in Pantheon and my deepest desires will be satisfied. Not that I know exactly what those are. Sometimes I get hopeful about my life improving on its own and that makes me hesitate as well . Always feeling on the verge of suicide but not quite there is deeply uncomfortable and it saps away some of my motivation to improve my life. I wish I could be told that suicide wasn't an option and that things were guaranteed to get better but even if that was the case I would wonder if the path to getting there is worth it. I think part of my hesitation stems from my optimization/loss-aversion OCD I just want to be assured that suicide is the optimal option.

I also try to make my suicide perfect with the notes and social media posts and what I do before etc. I'm sick of being tired of everything feeling like a chore. Maybe due my OCD I am still alive. I am warming up to the idea of oblivion but part of me deeply wants to exist. I obviously would rather be happy than dead. I just want to be done with worrying and uncertainty. I also want to see whats on the other side but if I'll see it eventually then there is no urgency other than escaping future pain, further there is the small possibility that as most religions are anti-suicide I would be penalized in some form for my suicide in the afterlife. Does anyone relate to any of this? Sorry for the disorganized nature of the post.

 

[Secro]

I don't think it's impossible, but our future definitely won't look like that; it will take considerably more time. Even if everyone could be happy together, they would still harm each other.
But a future in which you are happy is not impossible, but relying on hopes is painful.

 

[PerfectVictory]

I don't think it's impossible, but our future definitely won't look like that; it will take considerably more time. Even if everyone could be happy together, they would still harm each other.
But a future in which you are happy is not impossible, but relying on hopes is painful.

I think it could though and thats the issue. Even if it takes more time I think that if you don't have any terminal conditions the way that technology is advancing the gain in lifespan will outpace life expectancy to allow those of us who are young to live long enough to see that future. Now whether living the decades and the pain that entails is worth said future is up to debate. Am I even the same person decades later to be able to experience such a future? I don't feel I am really the same person I was two years ago in a sense that person died and I am a new person I am not feeling articulate enough to explain this but kind of ship of theseus deal. This sensation of not being the same person could just be an expression of being someone with a cluster-b personality disorder though and a lack of a consistent sense of self.

 

[lpdsvm]

I convinced myself not to chase after anything anymore. Any outcome is good. One day I will have to CTB anyway. It won't matter when. If I fail, I will CTB. I don't feel anxious about anything anymore.

 

[Secro]

I think it could though and thats the issue. Even if it takes more time I think that if you don't have any terminal conditions the way that technology is advancing the gain in lifespan will outpace life expectancy to allow those of us who are young to live long enough to see that future. Now whether living the decades and the pain that entails is worth said future is up to debate. Am I even the same person decades later to be able to experience such a future? I don't feel I am really the same person I was two years ago in a sense that person died and I am a new person I am not feeling articulate enough to explain this but kind of ship of theseus deal. This sensation of not being the same person could just be an expression of being someone with a cluster-b personality disorder though and a lack of a consistent sense of self.

I'm not the same person I was five years ago either; people change, more or less. Like I said, I don't believe we have enough time to experience such a future, but if it's worth clinging to for you and you're not torturing yourself too much, then keep believing in it.

 

[fadedghost]

it could be quantum immortality also, like there's a lot of versions of reality running in parallel and in the ones where you died, you aren't alive to experience them, so it feels like your suicide attempts never work, but maybe they did... in a parallel reality... and so it will never seem like suicide works from the perspective of the person attempting... but i don't know.

 

[hughmun9]

In the next 50 years? Sounds hard to believe but with A.I. advancing who knows what's possible.

Even if the technology were to be available it's hard to believe it would be distributed equally to all 8.3 billion people on earth.

 

[PerfectVictory]

In the next 50 years? Sounds hard to believe but with A.I. advancing who knows what's possible.

Even if the technology were to be available it's hard to believe it would be distributed equally to all 8.3 billion people on earth.

I feel that things would just advance exponentially and it would be able to be distributed equally thanks to that

 

[Hollowman]

Would you really want to be immortal? Sounds like hell to me.

 

[PerfectVictory]

Would you really want to be immortal? Sounds like hell to me.

I think people who fear immortality only fear it because they project their current state of pain onto it. But if it was a perfect immortality i.e one of pure or atleast mostly pleasure where you were content or had the option to opt out I don't see any reason to fear it. I personally have always feared oblivion but my wants in life have been so severely denied that I am beginning to fear life more.

 

[Hollowman]

I think people who fear immortality only fear it because they project their current state of pain onto it. But if it was a perfect immortality i.e one of pure or atleast mostly pleasure where you were content or had the option to opt out I don't see any reason to fear it. I personally have always feared oblivion but my wants in life have been so severely denied that I am beginning to fear life more.

It wouldn't be immortality if one had the option of opting out. Whatever though.

 

[dust-in-the-wind]

I don't see immortality happening in the near or distant future. We aren't even close to curing cancer due to how complex the disease is. As for a Utopia, never will that happen. Since the beginning of time there has been evil, hate, destruction and war. We will eventually destroy the planet one way or another and obliterate the human race.

 

[MessyNonsense]

I don't know about all the worlds problems being solved within our lifetimes, but it sounds plausible to me that within your lifetime technology could advance enough to solve your particular problems (not that i know what they are, hence my use of the word plausible not definite). As for religion, I personally don't believe suicide is immoral despite what some organized religions say. Like certain sects of christianity for example consider suicide "the only unforgivable sin" or something, but i just don't believe that---what, god's going to send me to hell for trying to escape from my life on earth that was already hell? If a god exists, god wouldn't be that stupid. The only religious basis against suicide i can think of is mayyyyyybe if you believe in the whole reincarnation thing, then if you kys you might just get reincarnated and have to live this same life over again because you failed to learn the lesson or acquire the growth you were supposed to do during this lifetime. But there's a bunch of holes in that, like for one thing why was this life so horrible it made me kms, and second maybe i did do plenty of growing during this life and it was just my time to go?

 

[telekon]

I don't think it's impossible, but our future definitely won't look like that; it will take considerably more time. Even if everyone could be happy together, they would still harm each other.
But a future in which you are happy is not impossible, but relying on hopes is painful.

You would be surprised how fast technology can transform the world. It could be like a tsunami if extraterrestrials exist.

 

[EmployedHikikomori]

I'm gonna sound cynical here and say that advance technology to make life better, would be most likely gatekept by the very rich.

Only a very few handful of people would have the privilege of enjoy the benefits of technological advancements.

You can hold out if you'd like, on the Reaganistic belief that t those advancements would trickle down to you. But I personally won't hold my breath for it.