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ThisIsNotMeR

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Sep 25, 2021
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So, I thought of this kind of randomly, and decided to do some research on it. How good a method it is seems to very much depend on how cold we're dealing with. Temperatures significantly below freezing cause painful external damage before hypothermia, so we don't want to go with that, as it would be quite a painful experience before you eventually reach mind-altering stages of hypothermia so as not to feel the pain. There is plenty of discussion and reports of painful near-deaths by freezing, but these deal with temperatures below freezing. Reports of more pleasant experiences are from temperatures a little above, where frostbite or other freezing injuries are avoided. It seems that the moments leading to death can be quite pleasant, as far as causing damage to your body in a physical manner can be, and many people slip into later stages of hypothermia without noticing at all. As such, this post is specifically referring to temperatures above freezing. It goes like so:

As you are exposed to the cold, you will certainly feel the discomfort associated with this, and I don't think this is avoidable. However, from here on, it doesn't get worse. If you've been outside in winter you've already been cold, and it won't be much worse than this. As your body temperature lowers you will start to shiver uncontrollably, but by this point people report to have stopped really feeling the cold; it is merely a reflex. At the next stage, your mind will start to lose function, shivering will stop and your movements will slow; this is likely comparable to being drunk, and you will have stopped feeling cold. There are also reports of people appearing "crazy" by this point, but in no way in any pain, and there is apparently no self-preservation instinct by here either. You may even feel warm, see paradoxical undressing. As you cool further your body functions will slow down and you'll settle down into unconsciousness, until eventually your heart stops. People have even reported euphoria in late stages.

The largest barrier seems to be the discomfort from the cold itself as you approach hypothermia, which is kept to a minimum if we use temperatures a bit above freezing, but is unfortunately not easily avoided. Frostbite, while indeed very painful and leads to the loss of fingers or toes, is in fact caused by thawing of areas which have frozen. This pain would only be experienced should you be discovered and warmed up before death AND temperatures were low enough to actually freeze you. You will of course need to be somewhere where you know it will stay consistently cold-but-not-below-freezing (below 10°C, or 50°F is reported to be sufficient especially when wet). You also need to be somewhere you will absolutely not be discovered; the recovery process from hypothermia is highly painful and you may lose fingers or toes. An example of a suitable location in the UK may be the Scottish Highlands in Winter. You want to go some ways off any hiking trails, and preferably be under cover of trees. Doing this in the evening is a good idea as there are not likely to be many hikers overnight, giving you plenty of time.

So my thoughts were to go off into nature, but take plenty of alcohol and perhaps even sleeping pills to reduce the amount of time you actually experience (or at least care about) the cold, to get you past the first bit of discomfort. Being wet increases rate of cooling substantially too, if you feel you could manage drenching yourself in water. Note that water will not be below freezing, and you don't need to worry about temperatures going below through using it- water won't decrease the temperature significantly from your surroundings, it merely increases the rate at which your body loses heat. After all, you've never heard of cold water freezing anything :p

Finally, why do I bring up this method if it has strict location requirements and carries risk of an extremely painful recovery? Simplicity- in the event that you already have access to such a location, I would argue this method requires the least amount of preparation given the relative lack of pain. To me also, it is one of the more beautiful ways to go, surrounded by nature as your mind slips into euphoria. Feel free to add any more thoughts, information, stories, anything about this method!

(sources: https://outdoors.stackexchange.com/questions/10937/how-unpleasant-is-hypothermia, www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/erh9qa/comment/ff51wlw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
 
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you seem to me a pretty intelligent and analytical person... and it's certainly a pretty romantic way to leave. I would like to live in a winter country.
 
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I remember somebody telling me many years ago that overdose from methadone can include hypothermia which you don't feel due to the effects of the opioid. With this in mind I can't help wondering how true it is. I also naturally go on to wonder if it could be used in partnership with the circumstances you mentioned above. That and some sleepers and or muscle relaxants, maybe benzodiazapines could be incorporated to make it an ultimately peaceful death. The big issue is being certain that the hypothermia is reliably going to work as you rightly point out that recovery would be painful and horrible. I imagine other opiates/opiods would work in replace of methadone and you wouldn't need to overdose to feel relief from the cold. Just a decent enough dose to mask the discomfort. You could easily be dosing to suit on the fly. It has potential. You could do it in a well camoflaged tent or lean too but trusting the weather is probably the big factor in it and I'm not sure it's reliable enough to assume it will stay in the sweet zone needed to avoid going one way or the other. I know I've fallen asleep outdoors in winter before now and woken up and gone home early in the morning. I was young and drunk but it was easily cold enough to meet the parameters mentioned. Possibly below. And whilst I felt terible and had to pull a slug or two from my clothes I was essentially fine. Maybe the alcohol kept me from freezing. :D
 
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eatingmyselfaway

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May 14, 2021
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I was just about to research and ask some questions about this method. So as far as I understood (it is pretty hard for me to swallow big chunks of information right now sorry) that temp must be 1-10°C for this method to work painless? I live in a cold side of the earth and we get like -35°C at winter and my plan always was to just leave to the woods but you saying it's painful to do that way when it's that cold am I right?
 
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I was just about to research and ask some questions about this method. So as far as I understood (it is pretty hard for me to swallow big chunks of information right now sorry) that temp must be 1-10°C for this method to work painless? I live in a cold side of the earth and we get like -35°C at winter and my plan always was to just leave to the woods but you saying it's painful to do that way when it's that cold am I right?
If you're going below freezing it'll definitely work, just be certainly more uncomfortable, and carry the risk of frostbite. I'd recommend sedating yourself, as suggested in the post above.

1-10 is a good range to aim for, but 10 might not be so sure if you read other posts. If I was going for this method at 10 degrees I'd make sure to go in some water- that'll definitely work.
 
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If you're going below freezing it'll definitely work, just be certainly more uncomfortable, and carry the risk of frostbite. I'd recommend sedating yourself, as suggested in the post above.

1-10 is a good range to aim for, but 10 might not be so sure if you read other posts. If I was going for this method at 10 degrees I'd make sure to go in some water- that'll definitely work.
Water is a good suggestion but I feel like this initial kick from cold water that takes the breath out of your chest might be enough to put your SI in alert mod. I think best way is to bring some warm water with you but it's complicated because you can only take with you couple of thermoses with you and it moght not be enough to wet youself fully. Also I think that a good suggestion will be to bring something like a sweep to cover your own tracks if area is snowy so that when your SI tries to keep you alive you won't go back, I have a bad coordination but even I can follow back my own steps
 
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Flying Away

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Nov 20, 2021
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So, I thought of this kind of randomly, and decided to do some research on it. How good a method it is seems to very much depend on how cold we're dealing with. Temperatures significantly below freezing cause painful external damage before hypothermia, so we don't want to go with that, as it would be quite a painful experience before you eventually reach mind-altering stages of hypothermia so as not to feel the pain. There is plenty of discussion and reports of painful near-deaths by freezing, but these deal with temperatures below freezing. Reports of more pleasant experiences are from temperatures a little above, where frostbite or other freezing injuries are avoided. It seems that the moments leading to death can be quite pleasant, as far as causing damage to your body in a physical manner can be, and many people slip into later stages of hypothermia without noticing at all. As such, this post is specifically referring to temperatures above freezing. It goes like so:

As you are exposed to the cold, you will certainly feel the discomfort associated with this, and I don't think this is avoidable. However, from here on, it doesn't get worse. If you've been outside in winter you've already been cold, and it won't be much worse than this. As your body temperature lowers you will start to shiver uncontrollably, but by this point people report to have stopped really feeling the cold; it is merely a reflex. At the next stage, your mind will start to lose function, shivering will stop and your movements will slow; this is likely comparable to being drunk, and you will have stopped feeling cold. There are also reports of people appearing "crazy" by this point, but in no way in any pain, and there is apparently no self-preservation instinct by here either. You may even feel warm, see paradoxical undressing. As you cool further your body functions will slow down and you'll settle down into unconsciousness, until eventually your heart stops. People have even reported euphoria in late stages.

The largest barrier seems to be the discomfort from the cold itself as you approach hypothermia, which is kept to a minimum if we use temperatures a bit above freezing, but is unfortunately not easily avoided. Frostbite, while indeed very painful and leads to the loss of fingers or toes, is in fact caused by thawing of areas which have frozen. This pain would only be experienced should you be discovered and warmed up before death AND temperatures were low enough to actually freeze you. You will of course need to be somewhere where you know it will stay consistently cold-but-not-below-freezing (below 10°C, or 50°F is reported to be sufficient especially when wet). You also need to be somewhere you will absolutely not be discovered; the recovery process from hypothermia is highly painful and you may lose fingers or toes. An example of a suitable location in the UK may be the Scottish Highlands in Winter. You want to go some ways off any hiking trails, and preferably be under cover of trees. Doing this in the evening is a good idea as there are not likely to be many hikers overnight, giving you plenty of time.

So my thoughts were to go off into nature, but take plenty of alcohol and perhaps even sleeping pills to reduce the amount of time you actually experience (or at least care about) the cold, to get you past the first bit of discomfort. Being wet increases rate of cooling substantially too, if you feel you could manage drenching yourself in water. Note that water will not be below freezing, and you don't need to worry about temperatures going below through using it- water won't decrease the temperature significantly from your surroundings, it merely increases the rate at which your body loses heat. After all, you've never heard of cold water freezing anything :p

Finally, why do I bring up this method if it has strict location requirements and carries risk of an extremely painful recovery? Simplicity- in the event that you already have access to such a location, I would argue this method requires the least amount of preparation given the relative lack of pain. To me also, it is one of the more beautiful ways to go, surrounded by nature as your mind slips into euphoria. Feel free to add any more thoughts, information, stories, anything about this method!

(sources: https://outdoors.stackexchange.com/questions/10937/how-unpleasant-is-hypothermia, www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/erh9qa/comment/ff51wlw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
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Nov 19, 2021
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What if you ingested some sedatives/sleeping pills before going into the cold (below freezing)? Would you fall asleep and not even feel the effects of the cold before you die? Or would the cold wake you up from the sedatives, due to shock?
 
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If you take like 200 or 260 mg of xanax or clonazolam you porbably wouldn't wake up...at least be in coma for like a week
If you try defo use a bottleof vodka
 
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Chikitawita

A little about me
Dec 2, 2021
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I've considered this on my balcony. Drinking ghb and passing out on there. I'd surely freeze but hate being cold...
 
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Temperture shouod be above freezing imho otherwise you get frostbite
 
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I am thinking about this method too. I'm afraid of losing my mind, hallucinations. Also, with hypothermia, clinical death can take up to 30 minutes. With hypothermia, all processes slow down, including death.
 
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ImsooDone1N

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Nov 22, 2018
843
I think something (substance wise) needs to be taken & should be taken to make the ordeal more comfortable, cold sucks-
Esp at first. Then it becomes more comfortable. I don't like alcohol, which is unfortunate because it seems to be involved in a lotta freezing related Deaths. However I really like opiates & some tranquilizers are okay. I'm thinking that substituting heroin, morphine, oxycodone or even fentanyl & using a Benzo also would make falling asleep/passing out in these extremely cold temps required possible. I've also read nitrous oxide makes one more susceptible to hypothermia… something I'll look into more, but sounds like it could potentially work.
 
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