how to make sure that hanging doesn't fail?

[monetpompo]

irritated by how hot it gets outside that it makes it hard for me to go to the forest. i started researching trail areas earlier today to pin a location down. i think that i could also spend a night at a hotel and just get dropped off by an uber, but that would cost me money both ways. i know that if i ctb further away from home that makes my chances of succeeding better, but is there anything you guys plan on doing specifically?

my energy's gotten lower so i mostly sleep. i'm not really interested in doing much of anything recreational since i just want to keep chipping away at my ctb plan. not having a car or a way to get around just makes things harder for me. i haven't been able to find a ctb partner that lives in texas so i'm mostly on my own. what i'm afraid of most is landing in the hospital and having my family get angry at me because they need to shill out money, or becoming a vegetable and becoming even more of a burden. yesterday was the last time i saw my best friend in person. he drove back to his city, since he can't spend much time here. i know i can only receive so much help from you guys. i can't trust anyone irl. my sister wouldn't understand and she's hardly home. i want to believe there's something better than this. i don't want to rely on anyone anymore.

 

[evanescent_eva]

As to forest vs hotel, I personally plan on hanging in a hotel or airbnb (which might be cheaper, I'd suggest looking at those too), but if I only had $100, I'd probably pick a forest. Frankly, I might still pick a forest, because hanging in nature sounds really peaceful to me.

As for the risk of hospitalization...the odds aren't zero. The odds of dying if you hang correctly are *very* high (near 100% imo), and the odds of long-term injury if you survive are generally overstated on sasu imo (can provide more info on this on request, or see this post), but hospitalization if you're found is a real risk. So my suggestion to you would be...don't get found within half an hour, and make sure you hang yourself correctly.

Unfortunately I can't give you further info unless you ask specific questions, as that would be against forum rules. What I can say is that Evelyn Lane's hanging guide is about as comprehensive a guide as there is on sasu, and I'd highly recommend reading it. And since you plan on hanging in a forest, this guide on how to hang from a tree by a tree expert is also super useful.

Beyond that, feel free to ask any specific questions you want, either in this thread or in dms, and I'd be happy to answer. I'm sorry you don't have a partner, and I'm so sorry your energy levels are as low as they are. You're dealing with a lot, and it's patently unfair. Sending you care from afar <3

 

[monetpompo]

@evanescent_eva thank you evaaaaaaaaa. you are still my favorite. i am floating in the air like when a looney toons character smells a delicious pie.

the odds of long-term injury if you survive are generally overstated on sasu imo (can provide more info on this on request, or see this post)

the people on here stress me out so much lol. my research is skewed since i have so many people telling me i'm gonna be a vegetable if i fail. i'm going to look into hotels near me even if i'll have to pay a lil fee. i've never paid for one on my own but it's probably easy. my main con with the forest is landing myself there, but i guess an uber isn't so awful. the trails i've been looking at have closing hours but i dunno if they block you from coming in if it's just trees and stuff. i'm happy i got to see my bud one last time and i'm happy people on this site still care about me even if i'm awkward and weird.

i think have of it is narrowing it down to if the convenience of a hotel is worth the price. the forest involves a lot of wandering, but it's also mostly free which is pretty good. what matters most is that i don't get hospitalized. i don't plan on having anything in my pockets besides chapstick and maybe cash. hopefully things can be smooth sailing for me soon.

 

[Rynalia]

the people on here stress me out so much lol. my research is skewed since i have so many people telling me i'm gonna be a vegetable if i fail.

I feel this so bad.

Like, I get it's a real, potential consequence, but the excessive fear mongering reaaaaally doesn't help make anyone feel better. I feel one heads up or warning is sufficient and that's it. Not doing so at all would just be irresponsible.

But I guess there is a tendency to parrot things like this... Especially because it's virtually impossible to get any firsthand accounts for obvious reasons...

 

[monetpompo]

But I guess there is a tendency to parrot things like this... Especially because it's virtually impossible to get any firsthand accounts for obvious reasons...

it's kind of like an urban legend since you don't know until you do it. i guess it's people's survival instinct kicking in making them type stuff like that. i would totally want to die if became a vegetable but i don't think that it's either die or become paralyzed. thanks for replying rynalia.

 

[Rynalia]

kind of like an urban legend since you don't know until you do it. i guess it's people's survival instinct kicking in making them type stuff like that. i would totally want to die if became a vegetable but i don't think that it's either die or become paralyzed.

Yep basically.

Like all I can say is that when I failed one time trying to hang, I didn't end up a vegetable.

Maybe I just got lucky with timing. Maybe the point of failure was before the point where permanent damage could be done.

I wouldn't know what truly happened because I wasn't recording myself. I hung, I passed out, then I woke up.

 

[evanescent_eva]

@evanescent_eva thank you evaaaaaaaaa. you are still my favorite. i am floating in the air like when a looney toons character smells a delicious pie.

This actually made me cryyy!! You're my favorite too, and even if we don't talk much, I'm so glad you're my internet friend <33

the people on here stress me out so much lol. my research is skewed since i have so many people telling me i'm gonna be a vegetable if i fail. i'm going to look into hotels near me even if i'll have to pay a lil fee. i've never paid for one on my own but it's probably easy. my main con with the forest is landing myself there, but i guess an uber isn't so awful. the trails i've been looking at have closing hours but i dunno if they block you from coming in if it's just trees and stuff. i'm happy i got to see my bud one last time and i'm happy people on this site still care about me even if i'm awkward and weird.

i think have of it is narrowing it down to if the convenience of a hotel is worth the price. the forest involves a lot of wandering, but it's also mostly free which is pretty good. what matters most is that i don't get hospitalized. i don't plan on having anything in my pockets besides chapstick and maybe cash. hopefully things can be smooth sailing for me soon.

The idea that you'll likely end up a vegetable if you fail is just not supported by any of the studies or anecdotes I've read. I think you've already read this paper, but for those who haven't, it mentions one large study in which 96% of hanging patients who end up hospitalized leave the hospital with no or minor neurological deficits, and one smaller study in which 82% of such patients leave the hospital similarly. And most of the remaining patients in those studies don't end up vegetables, either. And here's another study of over a hundred people who went to the hospital after a hanging attempt - over half of whom entered the hospital comatose - and only two ended up in a persistent vegetative state. 86% were discharged with a perfect 15 on the Glasgow coma scale (as not-in-a-coma as you can be). Or maybe it would be helpful to read two dozen anecdotes of people with a failed hanging attempt, none of whom ended up a vegetable. I'm not saying you can't become a vegetable - you can. And the risk of being hospitalized if you end up getting found IS high. And I get that there are potential sources of bias in the sources I've listed. But the bias would have to be pretty heckin' substantial to fully override these findings. And I think you're on the receiving end of a lot of fear-mongering, and you deserve an alternative perspective on what the odds of injury are.

Paying for a hotel is super easy - just a few button clicks on a website, enter your card information, and then just show up on the date you selected. And I'd be pretty stunned if Texas paid its park rangers enough to keep watch of forests 24/7 - should be easy enough to take an uber to the entrance and slip past the gate (but I've never been to Texas, so I can't say for sure). Some things to think about with a hotel:

• You'd probably be hanging from a door, which means you'll potentially be making noise as you shake and spasm against the door. I'd request a room at the end of the hallway, I'd do the attempt late at night, and I'd have the tv on loud to mask some of the noise.
• I don't know how sturdy the door will be at a random hotel, and it'll be hard to test ahead of time. I feel like hotel doors are usually pretty stable, but I've also heard stories of doors being ripped off their hinges during a hanging attempt. If you can find an image of the door for your room ahead of time, that might be good to do? Or you could try an airbnb, which usually gives you pictures of the place you're renting before you rent (and is sometimes cheaper, too).

I don't have any hard data on this, but my gut instinct is that (i) you're not super likely to be found in either location, and (ii) you're probably less likely to be found deep in a closed forest at 1am than you are to be found in a hotel room at 1am. But that's just a guess from me.

Sending lots and lots and lots of care and well-wishes <3

 

[M.i.245541]

I wouldn't know what truly happened because I wasn't recording myself. I hung, I passed out, then I woke up.

You woke up still hanging? Or something broke and you felt?

 

[Rynalia]

You woke up still hanging? Or something broke and you felt?

The latter; my setup was not as secure as it should have been.

 

[AreWeWinning]

so many people telling me i'm gonna be a vegetable if i fail

I agree with the others that it's just fear-mongering. There isn't even anecdotal evidence as there are no personal experiences or observations involved. It's just pure speculation and false assumptions. Ending up being a vegetable is a risk, but a lot of things have to go wrong, and even then, it's a low chance. It's not like a person is out for a few minutes, and boom, they're brain damaged.

From a practical point of view, here is how I see it:

If a setup fails, it usually fails fast. A setup failing after several minutes is quite unlikely (apart from ceiling fans, perhaps!). Other than that, the only risk is if the person is found. That is the biggest risk, IMO. But it can be avoided.

I think people fixate on this brain damage thing too much when it comes to hanging. I'm not sure why that is, but it could be because they don't have confidence in their ability to correctly tie a setup that won't fail. If I had no confidence in my ability to do that, I would be concerned too. I'm just speculating though.

The reason I'm not concerned is that – while creating a good setup requires some planning – there are only a couple of critical elements. Namely: the rope and the anchor point. That's all. If those are strong enough, it's very difficult to tie a setup that fails. And since it's quite easy to make sure those are strong, there is no real risk – at least in my view.