Resource How to Deal with LE In the US

[~Q~]

Here is a bit of info on how to deal with LE

Unfortunately this is USA specific as our laws here are not in favor of the people.

I heard an individual that happens to be a judge say recently

" i listened to the arguments and i wanted to see their point but the law says i must give the state "all advantage" in any proceeding."

the things you hear when you pay attention~

A bit of background

They can and will lie to you its in the manual so assume everything they say is a LIE

they will say things like "we can get this resolved quickly if you just....." that is a Lie!!! They are trained to use mental and social pressure to attempt to find a reason for probable cause. The problem is you cannot outright lie to LE but you can obfuscate

DO NOT TALK TO THEM!!

MAKE SURE YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY VISIBLE EVIDENCE LAYING AROUND!!
pill bottles, alcohol, guns, or drug related items of any kind in visual range will give them the reason they are looking for. they can stretch and use these things to assume other things are present.

if they show up at your door they will first ask for your name - they already know they just need confirmation to proceed. the response when they ask is
"how can i help you?" they will ask if you are ....... just repeat your question until they answer you

the will ask if you can step outside

DO NOT DO IT!!! you can tell them no

make sure your door is closed or cracked just enough that they cannot see what is around you.

they will tell you several times we just want to get this resolved quickly but here is the catch
in the us miranda code it says and everybody around the world has heard it if youve ever watched a us crime show

ANYTHING YOU SAY CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU ....

it cannot help you only hurt you. your defense cannot use it to help you in any way and the law doesn't allow it so just KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. you have the right not to speak at all. It can be easy if youre in a vunerable state or not used to mental pressure to answer them in the hopes that they will go away. the only ending for this is you in handcuffs.

The answer to almost any question is "I Do Not Recall" you cannot use "maybe" or "i dont know" as this is another angle for them to apply pressure
EX: "you do not know if you got any mail or packages today?" these are the open ended baiting questions they will use.

Your next question should be DO YOU HAVE A WARRANT? they will usually say no or you wouldve been in handcuffs already. the response is come back when you have one.

they will post someone to watch you for suspicious activity but this gives you a few mins to dispose of any evidence. you cannot walk outside to do it. if youre lucky and have a backyard in suburbia you can toss whatever it is over the back fence or hide anything you can. Assume you have less than 15 mins before they show back up.

when they get a warrant to search they will look absolutely everywhere. in vents, inside furniture, and appliances. if you must hide something you need to do it inside a wall with no access. DO NOT Hide anything in your vehicle.

By this point you should assume you will be going to jail or to the psyc ward. They must meet the burden of proof to press charges or find you unfit and if you have not spoken until now it makes their job even harder. if it has gone that far, your next words should be I WANT A LAWYER. nothing else. if they keep pressuring you take note of it and it will give your lawyer a reason to get the case dismissed.

any package you receive should not be in your possession for more than 1 hour until it is your time. Put it in a place that is impossible to get to until you are ready. Inside a wall, under a toilet etc.

i will attempt to answer any questions you may have - Good Luck

 

[Musketeer]

If you absolutely had to you could also set traps for them, or put them in a position where they'd have to kill you. I never condone these sorts of thing, but being in a psyche ward in America, or even jails/prisons for that matter is being put in an abusive environment. Not even up to code for the universal declaration of human rights. So you have to do what you have to do. If you have a gun point it at one of them, if their partner doesn't shoot or gets to close, pop the officer's head off. The partner will be forced to shoot you if you are safely distanced, tasers have a range of 15 feet keep that in mind, keep out of their range of their non-lethal weapons so they can use their lethal.

 

[armadillydally]

If you absolutely had to you could also set traps for them, or put them in a position where they'd have to kill you. I never condone these sorts of thing, but being in a psyche ward in America, or even jails/prisons for that matter is being put in an abusive environment. Not even up to code for the universal declaration of human rights. So you have to do what you have to do. If you have a gun point it at one of them, if their partner doesn't shoot or gets to close, pop the officer's head off. The partner will be forced to shoot you if you are safely distanced, tasers have a range of 15 feet keep that in mind, keep out of their range of their non-lethal weapons so they can use their lethal.

Not really sure that killing other people is the best course of action here...

 

[~Q~]

If you absolutely had to you could also set traps for them, or put them in a position where they'd have to kill you. I never condone these sorts of thing, but being in a psyche ward in America, or even jails/prisons for that matter is being put in an abusive environment. Not even up to code for the universal declaration of human rights. So you have to do what you have to do. If you have a gun point it at one of them, if their partner doesn't shoot or gets to close, pop the officer's head off. The partner will be forced to shoot you if you are safely distanced, tasers have a range of 15 feet keep that in mind, keep out of their range of their non-lethal weapons so they can use their lethal.

I do not advocate for violence and this is not a guaranteed way to go. i feel its better to avoid them and go on your own terms.

 

[armadillydally]

I do not advocate for violence and this is not a guaranteed way to go. i feel its better to avoid them and go on your own terms.

What I was thinking too. Hell, sometimes even mass-murderers get taken away in handcuffs even after shootouts with police. Not worth taking a life, but also not even guaranteed to get you killed. Might just land you in prison for the rest of your life.

 

[CassieHoward]

If you absolutely had to you could also set traps for them, or put them in a position where they'd have to kill you. I never condone these sorts of thing, but being in a psyche ward in America, or even jails/prisons for that matter is being put in an abusive environment. Not even up to code for the universal declaration of human rights. So you have to do what you have to do. If you have a gun point it at one of them, if their partner doesn't shoot or gets to close, pop the officer's head off. The partner will be forced to shoot you if you are safely distanced, tasers have a range of 15 feet keep that in mind, keep out of their range of their non-lethal weapons so they can use their lethal.

I thought I'd try going through the forum today and this is the first thing I see.

Never again. lol

 

[Musketeer]

I do not advocate for violence and this is not a guaranteed way to go. i feel its better to avoid them and go on your own terms.

I don't advocate it, however if your cornered and really want to go that badly, go for it i guess

 

[raybd]

Hmm... why does this post seem like it's relevant to an anarchy site than a CTB site?

 

[Musketeer]

Hmm... why does this post seem like it's relevant to an anarchy site than a CTB site?

not really people who end up getting caught usually end up getting visited by law enforcement and carted off to hospitals

 

[ihopethisispainless]

If you absolutely had to you could also set traps for them, or put them in a position where they'd have to kill you. I never condone these sorts of thing, but being in a psyche ward in America, or even jails/prisons for that matter is being put in an abusive environment. Not even up to code for the universal declaration of human rights. So you have to do what you have to do. If you have a gun point it at one of them, if their partner doesn't shoot or gets to close, pop the officer's head off. The partner will be forced to shoot you if you are safely distanced, tasers have a range of 15 feet keep that in mind, keep out of their range of their non-lethal weapons so they can use their lethal.

I really don't get this. I mean if you have a gun and are suicidal, why not just shoot yourself???

 

[raybd]

not really people who end up getting caught usually end up getting visited by law enforcement and carted off to hospitals

In India yes. Even jail time is there. But, is it that intrusive in the US? I have only known them to go after the "enablers"... 10 years ago, when that 90 year old lady out of CA was being investigated for sending people exit bags over the mail, by the US Attorney, I got love letters too from the US Atty's office because for some reason I was on her mailing list... (I've always been in support of people having the choice when medicine fails them... was active on like-minded sites but no connection to her... and wasn't ready to CTB anyway though I knew it was on the horizon given my condition).
My understanding was that in most jurisdictions, police may intervene in public attempts, but in the privacy of your home, or any site where you many nominally expect privacy... like a hotel room you rent... police may not intervene actively without a warrant or incontrovertible a priori confirmation or a request/complaint from an interested party e.g. such as a parent calling campus/local police that their child resident in a university's dorms and saying they think their child is suicidal... police would have an "exigent circumstances" allowing them to intervene.
But, if you are intent on CTB, you'd in due diligence... keep it hush-hush, right? I mean, this site seems to be for the more meticulous planners than the "sudden impulse" jumpers - like that former beauty queen who some months ago, jumped off a NYC skyscraper...

 

[Musketeer]

I really don't get this. I mean if you have a gun and are suicidal, why not just shoot yourself???

you have a higher chance of screwing up if you shoot yourself. Not even i would go out by shooting myself. you'll end up nervously pulling back when you squeeze the trigger and messing up your shot.

 

[raybd]

you have a higher chance of screwing up if you shoot yourself. Not even i would go out by shooting myself. you'll end up nervously pulling back when you squeeze the trigger and messing up your shot.

Amen. Shooting yourself works flawlessly only in the movies. It's the one method with the highest chance of screwing you if you get it wrong for any reason. Most methods - something goes wrong - you risk much less suffering.

 

[ihopethisispainless]

you have a higher chance of screwing up if you shoot yourself. Not even i would go out by shooting myself. you'll end up nervously pulling back when you squeeze the trigger and messing up your shot.

I mean I definitely understand but blowing a cops head off to make death more likely? Idk man I think I'd just shoot myself

I mean I definitely understand but blowing a cops head off to make death more likely? Idk man I think I'd just shoot myself

I guess Im just not a badass

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Just wrongfully confess to a murder you didn't do in either Texas or Florida, insist that you get the death penalty and waive your appeals.

Well, that's what I'd do if I could.

 

[raybd]

Just wrongfully confess to a murder you didn't do in either Texas or Florida, insist that you get the death penalty and waive your appeals.

Well, that's what I'd do if I could.

What about the multi-year wait in death row? Pleasing every 300 lb gorilla also incarcerated with you?

 

[~Q~]

This post was meant for those who are receiving packages with intent or those who have LE called on them (EOD) as well as anyone who may partake in any recreational activity that may involve LE showing up at your door. Go out with a bang and all that …

 

[Musketeer]

Just wrongfully confess to a murder you didn't do in either Texas or Florida, insist that you get the death penalty and waive your appeals.

Well, that's what I'd do if I could.

that would take a long time 20+ years before your date of execution

I mean I definitely understand but blowing a cops head off to make death more likely? Idk man I think I'd just shoot myself

I guess Im just not a badass

"I mean I definitely understand but blowing a cops head off to make death more likely? Idk man I think I'd just shoot myself"
it increases the threat that you are, if your a danger to the police themselves death will be more likely. It's not a guarentee but it will increase your odds 98%

 

[WorthlessTrash]

What about the multi-year wait in death row? Pleasing every 300 lb gorilla also incarcerated with you?

Death row inmates usually have separate cells.

I pointed out Texas and Florida since those 2 states (at least in Texas' case) are the fastest at carrying out executions. I also pointed out waiving your appeals so you don't have to wait years for them to be denied.

 

[ihopethisispainless]

that would take a long time 20+ years before your date of execution

"I mean I definitely understand but blowing a cops head off to make death more likely? Idk man I think I'd just shoot myself"
it increases the threat that you are, if your a danger to the police themselves death will be more likely.

No I definitely understand the reasoning here. I just don't agree with the ethics or the practicality.

No I definitely understand the reasoning here. I just don't agree with the ethics or the practicality.

But hey, I'm not gonna act like a fucking saint like everyone else in the world

 

[WorthlessTrash]

that would take a long time 20+ years before your date of execution

Not if you waive your appeals.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Unless you are out of any good options, enticing LE to shoot you is a terrible way to go. It is even worse if you actually shoot one of them to get their partner to shoot you. These people have families. As far as the OP points, most are good, I think. I would ask first, right off the back, if they had a warrant, once they inferred they would like to come in. Anything they see in your house is probably cause. Hell, some of them will make up shit and say they thought they heard someone inside in distress, which gives them the right to come inside. Flush what you have down the toilet and keep flushing it over and over to move whatever it is out to the main sewer. It needs to get out of your feeder pipe. Keep your mouth shut and ask for a lawyer. Volunteer nothing. But, the other point about anything you receive shouldn't be in your possession for more than one hour.........that's unrealistic in most cases, I think.

Everyone should know their rights. It is your duty to yourself to know your rights.

 

[raybd]

Death row inmates usually have separate cells.

I pointed out Texas and Florida since those 2 states (at least in Texas' case) are the fastest at carrying out executions. I also pointed out waiving your appeals so you don't have to wait years for them to be denied.

Separate cells for most the day. There's still yard time and stuff. Even you waive... I think it's 4 years...
The other thing is, most people want a "peaceful exit"....
No one went into a US jail and found Buddha.
In Sweden, may be?! :)

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Separate cells for most the day. There's still yard time and stuff. Even you waive... I think it's 4 years...
The other thing is, most people want a "peaceful exit"....
No one went into a US jail and found Buddha.
In Sweden, may be?! :)

Lethal injection is relatively peaceful. In Florida you can (last i knew) choose electrocution instead, but I wouldn't do it because as you said peaceful exit.

You're right about 4 years, but that seems better than never going through with it (if you absolutely must die).

 

[Musketeer]

Unless you are out of any good options, enticing LE to shoot you is a terrible way to go. It is even worse if you actually shoot one of them to get their partner to shoot you. These people have families. As far as the OP points, most are good, I think. I would ask first, right off the back, if they had a warrant, once they inferred they would like to come in. Anything they see in your house is probably cause. Hell, some of them will make up shit and say they thought they heard someone inside in distress, which gives them the right to come inside. Flush what you have down the toilet and keep flushing it over and over to move whatever it is out to the main sewer. It needs to get out of your feeder pipe. Keep your mouth shut and ask for a lawyer. Volunteer nothing. But, the other point about anything you receive shouldn't be in your possession for more than one hour.........that's unrealistic in most cases, I think.

Everyone should know their rights. It is your duty to yourself to know your rights.

I have stated this is if your backed into a corner.

 

[raybd]

Lethal injection is relatively peaceful. In Florida you can (last i knew) choose electrocution instead, but I wouldn't do it because as you said peaceful exit.

You're right about 4 years, but that seems better than never going through with it (if you absolutely must die).

A better way might be to put a hit out on yourself. Does the mob have a site on the dark web?

 

[WorthlessTrash]

A better way might be to put a hit out on yourself. Does the mob have a site on the dark web?

Unfortunately, i do not have access to it.

That would indeed be the better idea, but one likely couldn't afford the price tag.

 

[raybd]

one likely couldn't afford the price tag.

Yup, and the mob wouldn't offer a payment plan. LOL. Got to save up to get the mob to off you. Living is difficult. Dying is difficult. And how did I get stuck in such a situation? Because, many years ago, two people then unknown to me - as I didn't exist, decided to have some fun in the summer time, and that winter, I came into being. Great going Mom and Pop - giving me the gift of life I never wanted. I think it must be a parental duty for your parents to off you, if they made you without asking you in the first place. Perfectly logical, right?

 

[WorthlessTrash]

Yup, and the mob wouldn't offer a payment plan. LOL. Got to save up to get the mob to off you. Living is difficult. Dying is difficult. And how did I get stuck in such a situation? Because, many years ago, two people then unknown to me - as I didn't exist, decided to have some fun in the summer time, and that winter, I came into being. Great going Mom and Pop - giving me the gift of life I never wanted. I think it must be a parental duty for your parents to off you, if they made you without asking you in the first place. Perfectly logical, right?

I agree. Ive always resented my "Dad", and not because he left me at 3 years old, but because he's the reason I am alive. He died of cancer 2 years ago. Maybe it's in my genes and I am next. Hopefully......

 

[~Q~]

Unless you are out of any good options, enticing LE to shoot you is a terrible way to go. It is even worse if you actually shoot one of them to get their partner to shoot you. These people have families. As far as the OP points, most are good, I think. I would ask first, right off the back, if they had a warrant, once they inferred they would like to come in. Anything they see in your house is probably cause. Hell, some of them will make up shit and say they thought they heard someone inside in distress, which gives them the right to come inside. Flush what you have down the toilet and keep flushing it over and over to move whatever it is out to the main sewer. It needs to get out of your feeder pipe. Keep your mouth shut and ask for a lawyer. Volunteer nothing. But, the other point about anything you receive shouldn't be in your possession for more than one hour.........that's unrealistic in most cases, I think.

Everyone should know their rights. It is your duty to yourself to know your rights.

With a little preplanning its easy enough. If i just spent 1000 usd to plan my end i would not want it to go to waste. (I have already)

Glass medication bottles are easy enough to source to transfer something into and destroy the original packaging. In almost any house or apartment there are places where nobody would want to look. Nobody would unbolt a toilet and look under it.

If you feel the need to absolutely destroy the evidence by all means flush it completely.

Too difficult to live, just as hard to die peacefully.