Recently I have read in recovery a thread that there members on SS who lost his/her child to suicide. It must be very brutal and painful to lose a child. I think the relationship between parents and their children is often very intense. (Though there is also abuse like in my case but this is not the topic.)
I tried to imagine how it would feel like if I was in their shoes. How it feels like to lose a child. Probably it is unimaginable.
Though exactly these people are the ones who want to take down this forum the most. This makes it difficult to interact with them. These people are clearly in pain and in my opinion coping by blaming a group of people/website for their loss. This anger is probably like a valve for them. I think the motives when someone commits suicide are very heterogeneous and complex. It is easier to grasp when there is exactly one reason why someone has committed suicide.
I think there is probably no leeway to find a compromise with them. We have absolutely contrarian experiences with life. Though the people from this thread I mentioned above know both sides.
I can understand that there are many people angry about them in this forum because we consider this place as very valuable and we don't want to lose it. Moreover their tactics doxxing or spreading blatant lies (like this forum would sell suicide merch...) seem pretty questionable. I would prefer this discussion would not be fought in such a heated way. On the other side is there any sense in having a conversation at all when there is probably no compromise?
Their methods seem quite questionable. There are a lot of vulnerable people in this forum and many have reported bullying by them. I don't read many conversations of them on Twitter/Facebook. I only know this from anecdotes.
There is only one thing I would like to say. I don't want to defend these people. But when we are arguing with them we should say stuff like: "You should have more cared about your child"- Sometimes I read that argument and I don't find it a good one. When we see suicide as an autonomous decision of an individual there are probably more reasons for a suicide. We should not judge in this way. Except we know more details about it.
For me there is another point which I would critize. When I kill myself I don't want that my parents show my face on social media to take shots at a site that helped me so much to cope. On the other hand I don't know these people and cannot really judge about a specific case. For me personally I would absolutely hate it if my parents treated my suicide in this way. I am even a little bit scared that this might happen...I am pro-choice and I see this as my personal rational decision when I kill myself. I find it difficult to do such a thing without consent. Especially if the parents know their child was a defender of the right to die (like in my case.) Though many don't speak that openly about it.
What do you think about it?
I tried to imagine how it would feel like if I was in their shoes. How it feels like to lose a child. Probably it is unimaginable.
Though exactly these people are the ones who want to take down this forum the most. This makes it difficult to interact with them. These people are clearly in pain and in my opinion coping by blaming a group of people/website for their loss. This anger is probably like a valve for them. I think the motives when someone commits suicide are very heterogeneous and complex. It is easier to grasp when there is exactly one reason why someone has committed suicide.
I think there is probably no leeway to find a compromise with them. We have absolutely contrarian experiences with life. Though the people from this thread I mentioned above know both sides.
I can understand that there are many people angry about them in this forum because we consider this place as very valuable and we don't want to lose it. Moreover their tactics doxxing or spreading blatant lies (like this forum would sell suicide merch...) seem pretty questionable. I would prefer this discussion would not be fought in such a heated way. On the other side is there any sense in having a conversation at all when there is probably no compromise?
Their methods seem quite questionable. There are a lot of vulnerable people in this forum and many have reported bullying by them. I don't read many conversations of them on Twitter/Facebook. I only know this from anecdotes.
There is only one thing I would like to say. I don't want to defend these people. But when we are arguing with them we should say stuff like: "You should have more cared about your child"- Sometimes I read that argument and I don't find it a good one. When we see suicide as an autonomous decision of an individual there are probably more reasons for a suicide. We should not judge in this way. Except we know more details about it.
For me there is another point which I would critize. When I kill myself I don't want that my parents show my face on social media to take shots at a site that helped me so much to cope. On the other hand I don't know these people and cannot really judge about a specific case. For me personally I would absolutely hate it if my parents treated my suicide in this way. I am even a little bit scared that this might happen...I am pro-choice and I see this as my personal rational decision when I kill myself. I find it difficult to do such a thing without consent. Especially if the parents know their child was a defender of the right to die (like in my case.) Though many don't speak that openly about it.
What do you think about it?
