MathConspiracy
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- Mar 25, 2025
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This is my first effortpost here. I found my country's suicide prevention program from the website of a government agency and I wanted to make a list of all the methods these mean people are going to put in action to make us stay. Maybe this will shed some light into the current situation with DMC. For context, I'm located in an EU member state. This is a rough translation with only the main points included. Hope you'll find it entertaining.
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KEY POINTS FROM OUR NATIONAL SUICIDE PREVENTION PROGRAM FOR THE 2020s
Influencing the Attitudes
1. Raising public awareness on mental issues
2. Offering education to emergency responders
3. Youth workers, coaches, counselors, social workers, security guards, police officers, reporters, firefighters etc. have a central role in this
Limiting Access to the Means
1. Acknowledging the suicide risk in traffic
2. Acknowledging the suicide risk near buildings, bridges and railroads
3. Designing the interior of institutions (hospitals, juvenile facilities and prisons) with the possibility of suicide attempts in mind
4. Making regulations for the availability and containment of poisons
5. Developing the regulations for the availability of prescription medications and their possession at home, taking drug addictions into account
6. Regulating the accessibility of weapons
Early Intervention
1. Expanding helplines to other language groups
2. Starting a 24/7 online suicide chat to which social media platforms will be obligated to direct their users
3. Reinforcing the low-level support services in schools
Supporting the At-Risk People
1. Supporting the families of suicidal people
2. Developing culturally sensitive prevention programs for minority groups
3. Sending suicide educators to schools and the military
4. Asking people with a substance problem about their possible suicidal thoughts
Developing Treatment
1. Educating healthcare professionals about suicide prevention
2. Reinforcing the cooperation between treatment providers
3. Taking a suicidal person to an immediate assessment with a psychiatrist, making a safety plan with them
4. Directing more resources to third sector work
Social Media
1. Obligating social media platforms to ban all content that seems to encourage suicide, and forcing them create a support system for those at risk
2. Creating a training for how to communicate about suicide for journalists and social media influencers
WHAT THIS ALL MEANS IN PRACTICE – MY INTERPRETATION
Influencing the Attitudes
Raising awareness about suicide and mental issues is not a magic solution. I believe that this can even lead to a sort of romanticization of mental illness. It can also lead to attention seeking behavior. By attention seeking I mean self-harm for the sake of showing off with your scars (or any other visible SH) and making half-hearted suicide attempts with no real intention to die. These behaviors are dangerous anyway, so you should not engage in them without a genuine desire to escape the pain. Just because someone did it in a cool Pinterest post doesn't mean that it's cool. This is what the helplines are the most efficient in preventing.
Of course, as per the pro-choice ideology, you have the ultimate power over your body and no one else has the right to intervene without your consent, so what you do with your life and death is none of my business.
Limiting Access to the Means
Now, this is what bugs me the most. Reading that literally made my blood boil. Step 4, regulating the availability of poisons, indirectly refers to the situation with DMC. This makes me think if the authorities here know something about it. I believe DMC has been on their radar for longer than we dare to admit. Simply the word "poison" gives SN in.
This has been said many times, but how beneficial is it really to remove the most peaceful ways of dying? It won't lessen suicides the same way as "raising awareness" won't. They have that old fashioned "lock 'em up and throw away the key" mentality when it comes to preventing suicides which, unfortunately, is the the most convenient methods of intervention to them. Banning the good methods will just make people suffer in silence, continuing to live as scared submissives for the monsters out there.
Early Intervention
MathConspiracy's POV: I hate myself. The future has nothing to offer for me, I might as well end things. I think I was always destined to die young. My mind is so cloudy, I can't think of anything, and this numbness inside me cuts me away from the others. I'm fucking miserable and want to CTB.
Poster on the wall: YOU ARE NOT ALONE. IF YOU'RE EXPERIENCING SUICIDAL THOUGHTS, GIVE US A CALL.
The people who make these helplines don't fully understand depression. They don't know what it feels like to not have motivation to do anything. I personally have no interest in getting better or taking those "small steps" towards recovery because it's too much work. And what would the rewards for sticking around be? Slavery, sickness and annoying people.
You can only help those strong-willed enough to be wanting to recover. But your target audience probably won't give a shit.
Supporting the At-Risk People
I read their whole list of suggestions for this and most of them were just useless jargon. I only chose to translate the most concrete ideas. Supporting our families is probably a good idea, but here's the catch: what kind of support will it be? Will the suicide prevention workers just lend an ear to their worries and be present, or will they instruct them on how to take away our guns and SN and encourage them to drive us straight to the hospital?
Developing Treatment
Psych evals? Safety plans? Education? Leave your ivory towers for a while and cut the hypocrisy. The sad truth about suicidal ideation is that most people experiencing it will never open up for the fear of getting locked up. I'm not saying that psych wards are inherently bad, but do I believe that admission to them should be 100% up to the patient. So how would a shrink appointment and a safety plan make you change the mind of a person who already has their letters written, SN ordered and goodbyes said? If you really wanted to help us get rid of these thoughts, you would listen to us. And if these thoughts didn't go away despite everything being tried (voluntarily), you should allow us to leave this world.
Social Media
User: "I want to kms"
Google: Help is available. Call XXXXXXXXXXX for confidential support right now.
No shit, Sherlock. Of course I know that help is available. Of course I know about the helplines. But I don't feel like calling them, not now, not ever.
It's very insensitive and disrespectful of the tech companies to ignore our problems by directing us to some pro-life websites. It's a bit like taking a cancer patient to an empty hospital with no staff, hoping for him to heal. Throwing 988s and crisis chats at our faces will free you of responsibility but it'll do no good to the person you're trying to "help".
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I think programs like this are the reason why people attempt CTB. Nobody really cares about us and that is obvious. Suicidal people get shamed, locked up, stripped of their liberties, imprisoned, forcibly medicated and looked down upon.
Just let us go.
Edit: Grammar and spelling check, some words changed for clarity. I should never write anything when I'm tired!
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––-
KEY POINTS FROM OUR NATIONAL SUICIDE PREVENTION PROGRAM FOR THE 2020s
Influencing the Attitudes
1. Raising public awareness on mental issues
2. Offering education to emergency responders
3. Youth workers, coaches, counselors, social workers, security guards, police officers, reporters, firefighters etc. have a central role in this
Limiting Access to the Means
1. Acknowledging the suicide risk in traffic
2. Acknowledging the suicide risk near buildings, bridges and railroads
3. Designing the interior of institutions (hospitals, juvenile facilities and prisons) with the possibility of suicide attempts in mind
4. Making regulations for the availability and containment of poisons
5. Developing the regulations for the availability of prescription medications and their possession at home, taking drug addictions into account
6. Regulating the accessibility of weapons
Early Intervention
1. Expanding helplines to other language groups
2. Starting a 24/7 online suicide chat to which social media platforms will be obligated to direct their users
3. Reinforcing the low-level support services in schools
Supporting the At-Risk People
1. Supporting the families of suicidal people
2. Developing culturally sensitive prevention programs for minority groups
3. Sending suicide educators to schools and the military
4. Asking people with a substance problem about their possible suicidal thoughts
Developing Treatment
1. Educating healthcare professionals about suicide prevention
2. Reinforcing the cooperation between treatment providers
3. Taking a suicidal person to an immediate assessment with a psychiatrist, making a safety plan with them
4. Directing more resources to third sector work
Social Media
1. Obligating social media platforms to ban all content that seems to encourage suicide, and forcing them create a support system for those at risk
2. Creating a training for how to communicate about suicide for journalists and social media influencers
WHAT THIS ALL MEANS IN PRACTICE – MY INTERPRETATION
Influencing the Attitudes
Raising awareness about suicide and mental issues is not a magic solution. I believe that this can even lead to a sort of romanticization of mental illness. It can also lead to attention seeking behavior. By attention seeking I mean self-harm for the sake of showing off with your scars (or any other visible SH) and making half-hearted suicide attempts with no real intention to die. These behaviors are dangerous anyway, so you should not engage in them without a genuine desire to escape the pain. Just because someone did it in a cool Pinterest post doesn't mean that it's cool. This is what the helplines are the most efficient in preventing.
Of course, as per the pro-choice ideology, you have the ultimate power over your body and no one else has the right to intervene without your consent, so what you do with your life and death is none of my business.
Limiting Access to the Means
Now, this is what bugs me the most. Reading that literally made my blood boil. Step 4, regulating the availability of poisons, indirectly refers to the situation with DMC. This makes me think if the authorities here know something about it. I believe DMC has been on their radar for longer than we dare to admit. Simply the word "poison" gives SN in.
This has been said many times, but how beneficial is it really to remove the most peaceful ways of dying? It won't lessen suicides the same way as "raising awareness" won't. They have that old fashioned "lock 'em up and throw away the key" mentality when it comes to preventing suicides which, unfortunately, is the the most convenient methods of intervention to them. Banning the good methods will just make people suffer in silence, continuing to live as scared submissives for the monsters out there.
Early Intervention
MathConspiracy's POV: I hate myself. The future has nothing to offer for me, I might as well end things. I think I was always destined to die young. My mind is so cloudy, I can't think of anything, and this numbness inside me cuts me away from the others. I'm fucking miserable and want to CTB.
Poster on the wall: YOU ARE NOT ALONE. IF YOU'RE EXPERIENCING SUICIDAL THOUGHTS, GIVE US A CALL.
The people who make these helplines don't fully understand depression. They don't know what it feels like to not have motivation to do anything. I personally have no interest in getting better or taking those "small steps" towards recovery because it's too much work. And what would the rewards for sticking around be? Slavery, sickness and annoying people.
You can only help those strong-willed enough to be wanting to recover. But your target audience probably won't give a shit.
Supporting the At-Risk People
I read their whole list of suggestions for this and most of them were just useless jargon. I only chose to translate the most concrete ideas. Supporting our families is probably a good idea, but here's the catch: what kind of support will it be? Will the suicide prevention workers just lend an ear to their worries and be present, or will they instruct them on how to take away our guns and SN and encourage them to drive us straight to the hospital?
Developing Treatment
Psych evals? Safety plans? Education? Leave your ivory towers for a while and cut the hypocrisy. The sad truth about suicidal ideation is that most people experiencing it will never open up for the fear of getting locked up. I'm not saying that psych wards are inherently bad, but do I believe that admission to them should be 100% up to the patient. So how would a shrink appointment and a safety plan make you change the mind of a person who already has their letters written, SN ordered and goodbyes said? If you really wanted to help us get rid of these thoughts, you would listen to us. And if these thoughts didn't go away despite everything being tried (voluntarily), you should allow us to leave this world.
Social Media
User: "I want to kms"
Google: Help is available. Call XXXXXXXXXXX for confidential support right now.
No shit, Sherlock. Of course I know that help is available. Of course I know about the helplines. But I don't feel like calling them, not now, not ever.
It's very insensitive and disrespectful of the tech companies to ignore our problems by directing us to some pro-life websites. It's a bit like taking a cancer patient to an empty hospital with no staff, hoping for him to heal. Throwing 988s and crisis chats at our faces will free you of responsibility but it'll do no good to the person you're trying to "help".
–––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––-
I think programs like this are the reason why people attempt CTB. Nobody really cares about us and that is obvious. Suicidal people get shamed, locked up, stripped of their liberties, imprisoned, forcibly medicated and looked down upon.
Just let us go.
Edit: Grammar and spelling check, some words changed for clarity. I should never write anything when I'm tired!
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