Help How much time alone to die by OD and not be found.

[nottinghams]

I have heard so many guesses on this and idk which one is accurate. I also have heard way too many times 'as much time as possible' some of us don't have days and weeks of no contact to be alone and not be administered Narcan.

my method is IM injection of fentanyl by the way.

I find it hard to believe it takes 12 hours to die from fentanyl overdose, when every scientific article says 10 minutes unconscious after you stop breathing. I do know that for some reason narcan can save a person some hours after death.

that is what I wish to know. how many hours are *needed* alone to be irreversibly saved with Narcan?

I have reliably about 7-9 hours. if that's a good window of time, let me know. but if its more than enough, tell me how many hours MINIMUM are needed. Please. it is so much easier to just have some flexibility in case.

 

[DarkFriend.]

Your method of choice inhibits the respiratory system, therefore several hours shouldn't be necessary. From what I've seen the ideal time with your method is at least 1 to 2 hours but if you OD properly then you'll suffocate within (15) minutes. There will be no revival potential.

Might want to read this https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...4QFnoECDkQBQ&usg=AOvVaw099o-wyQSEwcHIfc2UBS3y

The whole risk you run if you can't guarantee being alone for an extended period of time is that someone could show up within those first fifteen minutes to two hours. It's unlikely but possible.

 

[nottinghams]

Your method of choice inhibits the respiratory system, therefore several hours shouldn't be necessary. From what I've seen the ideal time with your method is at least 1 to 2 hours but if you OD properly then you'll suffocate within (15) minutes. There will be no revival potential.

Might want to read this https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...4QFnoECDkQBQ&usg=AOvVaw099o-wyQSEwcHIfc2UBS3y

The whole risk you run if you can't guarantee being alone for an extended period of time is that someone could show up within those first fifteen minutes to two hours. It's unlikely but possible.

Oh my God. THANK YOU. accurate, true and detailed information from someone knowledgeable, with a source to boot?? this is all i wanted to any question I had before death. Do you know how rare you are on this site? its kind of weird LOL

I trust what you say from the source. But can you quote the direct 'proof' to what you say from it? I'm sorry, ive been sick and its hard to pay attention.

 

[Esokabat]

Is fentanyl stronger than N?
I ask as I heard of someone who took 15 g allegedly and they were allegedly loudly breathing for almost 2 hours, with no vomiting.
Ot maybe the duration is correlated to the fact whether you inject or orally digest. I suppose injected fentanyl can be much faster than N taken orally

 

[nottinghams]

Is fentanyl stronger than N?
I ask as I heard of someone who took 15 g allegedly and they were allegedly loudly breathing for almost 2 hours, with no vomiting.
Ot maybe the duration is correlated to the fact whether you inject or orally digest. I suppose injected fentanyl can be much faster than N taken orally

are you saying n or fentanyl took 15 GRAMS and breathing loudly for 2 hours? So they didn't die?

I'm sorry but that info is so wrong (if fentanyl) that it seems straight out of a fever dream. not your fault, of course. 2-5 MILIGRAMS is enough to kill a person, orally or injected IM. only you want to be safe rather than sorry, as orally can vomit sometimes. even most accidental ODs by addicts are snorted, smoked or injected. and the fact the person told you all that and didn't die, well...

perhaps they were ill and confabulated, on drugs or experiencing something psychotic. I cannot fathom why any grown person talking about suicide would tell such a childlike lie.. perhaps a sadist? sociopath?

all this ofc if the person said it was fentanyl. if they were talking about N, I know nothing about it.

 

[Esokabat]

are you saying n or fentanyl took 15 GRAMS and breathing loudly for 2 hours? So they didn't die?

I'm sorry but that info is so wrong (if fentanyl) that it seems straight out of a fever dream. not your fault, of course. 2-5 MILIGRAMS is enough to kill a person, orally or injected IM. only you want to be safe rather than sorry, as orally can vomit sometimes. even most accidental ODs by addicts are snorted, smoked or injected. and the fact the person told you all that and didn't die, well...

perhaps they were ill and confabulated, on drugs or experiencing something psychotic. I cannot fathom why any grown person talking about suicide would tell such a childlike lie.. perhaps a sadist? sociopath?

all this ofc if the person said it was fentanyl. if they were talking about N, I know nothing about it.

Sorry, I was not clear. They took 15 g N. Which is considered a high dose of a highly lethal substance (10,g is the lethal dose as per guidelines). This is why I was asking if fentanyl was that much more powerful than N? This was a genuine question.
Because if fentanyl is that much more powerful than N, that it can kill you in a few minutes as opposed to two hours, then why don't the Switzerland clinics use fentanyl instead of N?
Or even in the US for death penalty?
I mean N shortage caused a big issue in the US for the death penalty. So if fentanyl is that much more powerful than N, then why was the N shortage is such a big deal in the US.
These are all genuine questions, I am sorry my question was not clear.

 

[DarkFriend.]

There's a chart that shows that 1ml is an extremely high dose.

So I think if you just like... doubled that to 2ml and injected it you'd be done for.

I was just linking that to help give you some information I didn't really scour through it lol

 

[nottinghams]

Sorry, I was not clear. They took 15 g N. Which is considered a high dose of a highly lethal substance (10,g is the lethal dose as per guidelines). This is why I was asking if fentanyl was that much more powerful than N? This was a genuine question.
Because if fentanyl is that much more powerful than N, that it can kill you in a few minutes as opposed to two hours, then why don't the Switzerland clinics use fentanyl instead of N?
Or even in the US for death penalty?
I mean N shortage caused a big issue in the US for the death penalty. So if fentanyl is that much more powerful than N, then why was the N shortage is such a big deal in the US.
These are all genuine questions, I am sorry my question was not clear.

I am so sorry. I should have asked.

N is used for the death penalty? interesting.
the US will not use fentanyl for the death penalty because of the opioid epidemic. is political suicide (no pun intended) with some of our 'enemy' countries that produce the stuff, like China, Russia and Mexico..
Fentanyl is much much stronger, much more fatal, in much smaller doses, especially through injection application.

in any case, they're both fatal so..the only reason you'd be asking is if you haven't picked one yet. But please believe me when I say it doesn't matter, if they're really that fatal. but idk anything abt N.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

IDK exactly but I do know people using recreational doses can OD and be unconscious for hours and I know of one OD where the girl was alone in her room for two days before being found and resuscitated. Her head was resting on her arm while she was out and the circulation was cut off for so long she had to have it amputated and is also cognitively impaired for low oxygen to the brain. An intentional hot shot would be faster acing though.

 

[nottinghams]

IDK exactly but I do know people using recreational doses can OD and be unconscious for hours and I know of one OD where the girl was alone in her room for two days before being found and resuscitated. Her head was resting on her arm while she was out and the circulation was cut off for so long she had to have it amputated and is also cognitively impaired for low oxygen to the brain. An intentional hot shot would be faster acing though.

source?
and what was her method. I don't have 32084329843 days to be alone.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

source?
and what was her method. I don't have 32084329843 days to be alone.

I don't know where the timestamp with details are as it's a long vid and I think some info was on the community page when it initially happened. She's was an IV fent user who had been clean for awhile and relapsed so her tolerance was lower. Last I heard she's doing alright and hoping for a prosthetic arm.

 

[nottinghams]

I don't know where the timestamp with details are as it's a long vid and I think some info was on the community page when it initially happened. She's was an IV fent user who had been clean for awhile and relapsed so her tolerance was lower. Last I heard she's doing alright and hoping for a prosthetic arm.

oh that's it. ik she's been clean for awhile, but if she was a long time iv user, its likely she may have an incredible developed tolerance. she still would have had a lot of tolerance. I am not an addict so I probably don't need weeks. more like 2 or so hours which was previously said.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

yeah, plus a lot of OD's are from recreational dosing. I've heard of first time users ODing from a single toke off of foil. I did a line of H once and laid down to nod out and woke up 12 hours later. I assume if I had done slightly more I wouldn't have woken up.

 

[Esokabat]

I am so sorry. I should have asked.

N is used for the death penalty? interesting.
the US will not use fentanyl for the death penalty because of the opioid epidemic. is political suicide (no pun intended) with some of our 'enemy' countries that produce the stuff, like China, Russia and Mexico..
Fentanyl is much much stronger, much more fatal, in much smaller doses, especially through injection application.

in any case, they're both fatal so..the only reason you'd be asking is if you haven't picked one yet. But please believe me when I say it doesn't matter, if they're really that fatal. but idk anything abt N.

As far as I know, N is not currently used for death penalty in the US as European and other foreign manufacturers would not sell the drug for death penalty purposes which created a shortage and price hike in the US, so the US came up with other mixtures of inyectable medications. I don't know the exact history but the lack of N caused the creation of 5 drug mixtures that could do the same thing as N. Exit International covers the history in a podcast.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

oh that's it. ik she's been clean for awhile, but if she was a long time iv user, its likely she may have an incredible developed tolerance. she still would have had a lot of tolerance. I am not an addict so I probably don't need weeks. more like 2 or so hours which was previously said.

You watch that channel too?